The Rings of Saturn and a New Theory of how the Universe works

[Amaterasu]

thank you Amaterasu,
and thank you all for the intelligent discussion.

I want to add 2 more elements on the table:


1.- 99.9% of the observed matter in the Universe is at the Plasma state.

(this means that matter as we know it on this Planet - solid state, liquid state, gaseous state - is just a very, very rare exception in the Universe)

and we know very little about matter at the Plasma state
(given the level of pressures and temperatures involved - just think about the 2 million degrees of the Solar Corona)


2.- at the atomic/quantum level, the "Force of Gravity" is 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times weaker than the Electromagnetic Force (1 with 39 zero's weaker)

Thus, irrelevant with respect to the Electromagnetic Force

Most welcome.  [smile]

You might want to check out My post above (reply to hobbit).  In subquantum kinetics, as hobbit says, there is no "gravity" per se.  As I describe, positive particles have attraction, negative have repulsion - but We can call this positive and negative gravity.  Subquantum kinetics predicts the Biefeld-Brown effect, in fact.  (And unifies "gravity" with EM.)

So "gravity," as I said above is quite a strong force, but the net between positive and negative charged particles is quite weak.

[HeywoodFloyd]

Amaterasu,

you mean in the atom nuclei - protons?

[Amaterasu]

Any positively charged particles will exhibit positive "gravity;" any negatively charged particles will exhibit negative "gravity."

So...  Yes.  They only calculate out the "force" of gravity by using the pull of the earth, and compare it to the forces observed in the atom...  But that is misleading, with gravity ununified in the Einsteinian description (which requires One to take on faith that matter "bends" space-time).  Subquantum kinetics returns to a more Euclidean perspective, yet still predicts the lensing of light and the apparent time dilation.

[Pimander]

Ok, so what do you guys think?  Could it be the dual toroid that generates these fields that explain how matter is organised in these systems.  That there does not have to be a singularity necessarily at its heart.

Some may contain singularities, like a black hole at the centre of the Milky Way.  But perhaps there are torus (toroids?) where the energy does not reach infinity but remain within the temporal and generates these fields.  In other words it is the absence of a singularity that creates the field and the the singularity is illusionary.  This removes some of the paradoxes associated with the idea of a singularity too.

God this stuff is so hard to express in English/words!

[Captain Dave]

HAHa I agree, using words to describe what you see in your mind is often a pain in the bum!

Sooo, we just need to create an antigravitational chamber - Create multiple duplicates of what we think the planet is and stick em in there.

Solid Earth model with 2 poles, dirt water etc...

Hollow Earth...

You follow me?  Duplicate all the conditions we think exist using all forces we know of on a small scale within a controlled chamber... 

(Of course if any life forms on the planets during the experiment, we're responsible for them.)


( UH-OH Hope were not just an experiment in someone elses chamber? and if we are - we should petition for the right to exist without tragic interference.  ) - Preferably before we go down the big drain hole! lol


Earth rotated 180 degree's so South is up in this pic...

[starwarp2000]

Ok!, let me throw in my 2 cents worth 

In regards to the Singularity idea, the Corona of the Sun being hotter than the surface, and the nature of Electricity in regards to gravity:

We must first set some ground rules:

There are the following states of 'Stuff' in existence:

1. Solid
2. Liquid
3. Gaseous
4. Plasma
5. Aether

Electricity (Dielectric and Magnetic) exists in the Aether domain!

With reference to the works of Rudolf Steiner, he showed that in the 'matter realm' all vectors of change (dx/dt) point 'away' from a central point and grow towards infinity 'outwards'.
He also showed that in the 'Counter-Space' realm that the vectors point 'inward' and that all vectors of change point towards a central point.
So in the Space/Matter realm, you have a central point whose vectors point outward. i.e. It expands towards Infinity outwards.
In the Counterspace Realm (Aether/Electricity) the vectors come from an plane at infinity and they increase (grow) towards infinity at a central point.

So what happens at this central point? Well, current physics calls it a black hole, and they make up all sorts of crap about other dimensions and light getting trapped etc. etc.

What really happens is that inside this point, Counter-Space increases towards infinity.... therefore we can see that this is the realm of Aether/Electricity.

This is the only explanation that allows the Sun to have a Corona hotter than it's surface: The idea of a central Fusion furnace is incorrect!, it is necessary to think of the processes of the Sun occurring "From the outside in"!

So yes there is most probably a 'Singularity' at the centre of every Astronomical body! From Galaxies to planets, all in varying degrees of power output! But this power isn't the Fusion of present theories it is a Black Radiation, hence the "Black Sun" of Hollow Earth fame.

Hence we see from this that the Dielectric form of Electricity want's to compress inwards, and the Magnetic form want's to expand outwards.
This can be shown by the fact that in a Capacitor (Dielectric) the smaller the area bounded by the plates, the larger Dielectric Field that may be maintained! And Vice Versa, in a Coil/Magnetic Inductance the larger the Area 'outside' the coil, the larger Magnetic field may be contained.

So from this, it should be obvious that the cross product of Dielectricity and Magnetism (The 2 constituents of Electricity) are in a Harmonic balance and that any 'Force' which is seen to only draw inward (Gravity) is a result of the Dielectric being more predominant (in that area) than the Magnetic.

I hope this isn't too technical, but I am sure you can see that your ideas have a very good theoretical basis.

[Pimander]

That isn't what I thought a singularity was.  They say the key to understanding is the definition of terms.  I'll PM you for a better explanation about your definition of a singularity as I'm slightly confused by it, unless you want to throw it on this thread or point me to a link.  It looks like you are saying what I thought was a singularity is an illusion or doesn't exist which means we may be on the same page???

It's interesting how you talk about this.  Because I reckon we are using different terms to describe things this is going to be a bit difficult to get across my thoughts.... e.g. I think of the Aether as a universal medium.  All energy is transmitted through it.  (Dirac never abandoned the idea). Do you?

However, Black radiation does sound remarkable like the Dark energy I had in mind (but apparently doesn't exist) but again, do we mean the same thing?

[starwarp2000]

That isn't what I thought a singularity was.  They say the key to understanding is the definition of terms.  I'll PM you for a better explanation about your definition of a singularity as I'm slightly confused by it, unless you want to throw it on this thread or point me to a link.  It looks like you are saying what I thought was a singularity is an illusion or doesn't exist which means we may be on the same page???

It's interesting how you talk about this.  Because I reckon we are using different terms to describe things this is going to be a bit difficult to get across my thoughts.... e.g. I think of the Aether as a universal medium.  All energy is transmitted through it.  (Dirac never abandoned the idea). Do you?

However, Black radiation does sound remarkable like the Dark energy I had in mind (but apparently doesn't exist) but again, do we mean the same thing?

Yes, i do believe in the Aether, and also see it as a Universal Energy Carrier, but I go further and state that it is the basis of everything in existence.
My idea of a Singularity differs from the 'Black Hole' theory in that i see it as existing in 'Counter-Space'. Counter-Space exists at the infinite end of Compression, and can exist anywhere (i.e. in the space between atoms).
Dark Energy is an energy that doesn't exhibit the usual characteristics of what we term energy (light, heat etc). It is only detectable in it's interaction with matter.
Tesla himself showed that there is 'no energy in matter' and that all energy comes from the Aether. He showed that all radioactive decay energy comes from the Aether, and that the decay rate of such energy, could be 'modified' by manipulation of this energy, that pervaded all matter.
What he called 'Radiant Energy' is the same thing.

To better understand this, you should read anything by Charles Proteus Steinmetz, J. J. Thompson, and Eric Dollard.
Steinmetz was the guy that GE hired to decipher the Tesla Patents so they could work around them.

If this isn't clear give me a PM and I will try to explain it better, or ask any specific question you have. 

These may help you:

Radiation, light and illumination; a series of engineering lectures delivered at Union College by Charles Proteus Steinmetz (1918)
http://ia600502.us.archive.org/15/items/radiationlight00steirich/
Theory &Amp; Calculation Of Electrical Apparatus (1917)
http://ia700504.us.archive.org/3/items/TheoryAndCalculationOfElectricalApparatus/
Electric Discharges, Waves And Impulses (1914)
http://ia700402.us.archive.org/4/items/ElectricDischargesWavesAndImpulses/
Counterspace
http://www.nct.anth.org.uk/counter.htm

[micjer]

I should explain how I see this "Singularity" works...

it's not easy to explain with words. I should make a drawing to visualize.
I'll try to do in the next days.

For now, with words:

Imagine a double torus - like two toroidal transformers, for instance, placed one above the other, and with opposite electromagnetic force lines.

The resulting outside force field would be on a thin, round plane, right from the middle between the two toruses,
With energy flowing outwards,
and energy back inwards from the poles

can you visualize the concept?

Imagine this double torus in the dead center of Saturn...

Like this....

[micjer]

[hobbit]

I would recommend this,
http://www.alliancesforhumanity.com/matter/matter.htm
And if You can imagine ANU been about everything in creation, then YOU are ANU.
I hope that doesn't make You nakki?
hobbit

[Pimander]

Yes, i do believe in the Aether, and also see it as a Universal Energy Carrier, but I go further and state that it is the basis of everything in existence.

Same page.

My idea of a Singularity differs from the 'Black Hole' theory in that i see it as existing in 'Counter-Space'. Counter-Space exists at the infinite end of Compression, and can exist anywhere (i.e. in the space between atoms).

Great.  If you don't see a singularity as a point with infinite parameters, but see it as energy/matter entering another set of dimensions due to the compression then we are talking a similar language.

Dark Energy is an energy that doesn't exhibit the usual characteristics of what we term energy (light, heat etc). It is only detectable in it's interaction with matter.

That's what I meant by dark energy.

For a horrible moment there I was going to get my BS detector out to you guys but no need obviously.

Tesla himself showed that there is 'no energy in matter' and that all energy comes from the Aether. He showed that all radioactive decay energy comes from the Aether, and that the decay rate of such energy, could be 'modified' by manipulation of this energy, that pervaded all matter.
What he called 'Radiant Energy' is the same thing.

To better understand this, you should read anything by Charles Proteus Steinmetz, J. J. Thompson, and Eric Dollard.
Steinmetz was the guy that GE hired to decipher the Tesla Patents so they could work around them.

If this isn't clear give me a PM and I will try to explain it better, or ask any specific question you have. 

Thanks for the links.  I'll take a look when I get the time.  I have a feeling some of my esoteric nous might be helpful with some of this.  We're clearly not as far apart in our take as I feared.

We may differ in one regard.  I see little difference between energy and information.  Therefore I DO THINK ENERGY EXISTS WITHIN THE ZERO POINT/AETHER.

[Pimander]

It is extremely refreshing to communicate with a scientist who understands that the Aether is the key to why most of 20th century physics was unable to unify theory.

BThe info below, combined with Sheldrake's ideas, is pretty much the secrets of the universe in a nutshell members.

The spiritual and the rational or scientific - may be united through the concept of what is variously called the quantum field, the zero point field, nature's information field or, as Laszlo describes it following ancient mystical description, the akashic or A-field. It takes its name from the Hindu philosophical concept of "akasha", the primordial energy from which "prana", the totality of all matter, was created.

The concept of the akashic field is hypothetical, like the strings and quarks of particle physics. Like the gravitational field, it cannot be directly observed but is postulated to exist from the effects it produces, which are capable of coherent mathematical interpretation. The A-field provides a theoretical underpinning for the appearance of design in the ordering of the universe and the natural constants that allowed human life to evolve. It supports the primacy of consciousness in creation and evolution, as suggested by Pfeiffer and Mack, Goswami, and others. It explains the interconnectedness of all forces and fields suggested by particle physics and of all created matter as believed in eastern mysticism. In short, the subtitle of this book is entirely appropriate: An integral theory of everything.

Ervin Lazlo is onto something. Click the picture below to see his book.



Science and the Akashic Field: An Integral Theory of Everything
Ervin Laszlo

I thought I was going mad at Uni when I started learning all this but none of the science I was being fed mentioned it.  Then I read Laszlo and realised there are lots of us.  I think the advanced humans are just re-iterating (i.e. re-learning what we carried from a past life).  That is why we have been able to grasp advanced concepts so quickly despite the "education" straight jacket.

[Captain Dave]

Like this....

Oh Yeah baby, me likey pictures!
Whats that you say? - a picture says a thousand words?


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[Mikesingh]

Interesting thread! 

"Today, nothing is more important to the future and credibility of science than liberation from the gravity-driven universe of prior theory. A mistaken supposition has not only prevented intelligent and sincere investigators from seeing what would otherwise be obvious, it has bred indifference to possibilities that could have inspired the sciences for decades."
From Thunderbolts.info

How true! Black holes, The Big Bang Theory, Quasars, dark matter! Theories invented to fit mathematical equations. But the truth is probably somewhere else. Here's an interesting video. Do check out the links at the end of it.



Cheers!
Mike.