The Rings of Saturn and a New Theory of how the Universe works

[HeywoodFloyd]

The Rings of Saturn.

They are there since hundreds of years ago.
Probably thousands, or more.
And we know that even Jupiter and Uranus have rings.

Get a look at this video of the Rings of Saturn, made with NASA Cassini probe, and see how thin are the Rings:




Now, how can the Rings be there?

According to the "Standard Model" of the so called "mainstream science" - based on Gravity – the Rings could not be there.
The inner part of the debris should have fallen very early back on the planet, and the outer part dispersed into Space.

But we know the Rings are there, and have been for a long, long time.

The existence of the Rings of Saturn have extremely important consequences.

First Consequence:

   1.- it demonstrates that the "Standard Theory" based on Gravity is wrong.


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Now let us see what could keep the Rings of Saturn in place for thousands of years.

It is going to be an amazing, mind-blowing journey.


The Rings are made of space debris, placed in a very thin disc around the equator of Saturn.
We have seen that Gravity cannot explain their existence.
Then, what could?

There must be a sort of "Anti-Gravity effect" - a sort of "Force Field" which keeps the Rings in place.


My Theory is this:

There is a "Singularity" in the center of Saturn,
which generates a Force Field with very specific geometric characteristics.

This Force Field must be of electromagnetic nature.
This Force Field is what keeps the Rings of Saturn in place.

The effects of such Force Field can be seen also at the poles of Saturn
(weird storms that we know of...)

Thus, the same kind of "Singularity" exists also in the center of Jupiter and Uranus.
(as we said, also Jupiter and Uranus have Rings...)

Now, let us see the Solar System...

All the orbits of the Planets of the Solar System (except Pluto) are positioned on a rather thin disc...

The same geometry as the Rings of Saturn...

What keeps all these orbits in place in a thin disc?
The "Standard Theory" based on Gravity does not even dare to explain this.


Do you see the same pattern?

What if a "Singularity" exists also in the center of the Sun?

A "Singularity"which generates a Force Field with very specific geometric characteristics.
And keeps all the Planets orbits on a thin disc.

(and we have the mysteries of the measured temperatures of the Sun which corroborate this: Corona at 2 million degrees Kelvin, Photosphere – the surface of the Sun – at a mere 5,700 degrees Kelvin)
There is no "Standard Model" capable of explaining this.


If there is a Singularity in the center of our Sun,
there is a Singularity in the center of every Star.


Let us see a bigger picture, now....

The Spiral Galaxies.

Same Pattern: a Disc.
All the Stars of a Spiral Galaxy are placed on a thin disc.

And it is extremely probable that a "Singularity" exists in the center of each Galaxy.
(on this point, even the mainstream scientists agree, and they call it a "Black Hole")

I would rather not call these Singularities "Black Holes", I prefer to call them "Singularities" and accept the mystery of their nature, at least for the moment.


Now you got the picture.


Of course, the Singularity at the center of a Galaxy is much more powerful than the Singularity at the center of a Star,
which in turn is much more powerful than the Singularity at the center of a Planet.


Back to Planets.

Saturn has a Singularity at its center.
Jupiter has a Singularity at its center.
Uranus has a Singularity at its center.


Now, what if even the Earth has a Singularity at its center?

Forget the Standard Model of the Earth now, and consider the Hollow Earth Theory.

The Hollow Earth theory speaks of a small "Central Sun" at the center of the Earth, which gives off huge amounts of Energy.

What if this small "Central Sun" - called "The Black Sun" in certain mythologies – is the Singularity?


And the Auroras at the Earth Poles could easily been explained as electromagnetic interactions between the Singularity at the center of the Sun and the Singularity at the center of the Earh.


Food for thought.

Let me know what you think.


And there is much more about this...

[Pimander]

Interesting thread.

I agree with your observations about the implications of Galaxy shapes and Saturn's rings (and Uranus or Neptune I think) for standard theories of gravity.  My explanation is more in line with Rupert Sheldrake's "Morphic Fields"

The Hypothesis of Formative Causation states that the forms of self-organizing systems are shaped by morphic fields. Morphic fields organize atoms, molecules, crystals, organelles, cells, tissues, organs, organisms, societies, ecosystems, planetary systems, solar systems, galaxies. In other words, they organize systems at all levels of complexity, and are the basis for the wholeness that we observe in nature, which is more than the sum of the parts. For a more formal definition of morphic fields, see the Glossary

SOURCE: http://www.sheldrake.org/Resources/faq/answers.html

In other words the fields are almost like a "soul" that organises matter.

I am not clear on why you think there needs to be a singularity present.  Could you clarify on this?

All "objects" "organise" the matter within their system, from a galaxy, through living beings right down to the the atomic level.  I'd suggest that the rings of Saturn and the shape of Galaxies are due to a combination of a field ("soul") that interact with (effect space-time to create?) a form of "dark energy" which as part of it's properties has an anti-gravity like effect.

See also this page of Sheldrake's, Presence of the Past.

[HeywoodFloyd]

Thank you, Pimander.

Yes, I can clarify on the "Singularity".

It has to do with the "Geometry" of it.
In other words, you see the same pattern on all these scales:

   - Saturn (and other Planets)
   - Solar System
   - Spiral Galaxies

and the pattern is that matter gets "organized" and kept on a disc shape

   - Rings of Saturn (and Jupiter, Uranus and Neptune)
   - Planet orbits (in Star Systems)
   - Stars (in Spiral Galaxies)

They are all "organized" and kept on a disc shape - even on very different scales.
Therefore, I deduce that these "Singularities" must have some special properties in terms of "Geometry" in which they affect and organize matter around them.

Perhaps this is connected with Torsion Fields
(re: "Die Glocke").


and I ask myself: "What else could keep the Rings of Saturn for thousands of years in that position?"
I find it amazing.
In my opinion, Saturn is the Key.

The existence of such a Singularity, with the specific geometric properties described, can explain it.
And we can go and elaborate further...

Adding to the point: "Why everything spins?"
I think these two aspects are related.
(Torsion Fields, again?)

[Captain Dave]

It seems to me like there is more than one thing creating gravity. Though I suppose you could look at a car and say it is one car, there are soo many different things that make it a car.

I tend to believe that everything is balanced between equal but opposing forces. Between these forces are varying degrees. Like a rheostat on a light switch, can change between two opposites such as total light or total darkness with varying degrees of both inbetween.

Perhaps things like the rings of planets have found what appears to be a "balance" between forces, both "pulling" and "pushing"?

[Pimander]

Perhaps things like the rings of planets have found what appears to be a "balance" between forces, both "pulling" and "pushing"?

Thats the standard theory but Saturn's rings have properties that cannot be explained just by that theory.  Why would they keep their disk shape if that were the only thing happening?

What Floyd and I are discussing here is the organising "force" and it's nature.  I think we are in agreement that there has to be one.  Floyd seems to think it is related to a singularity but I still don't see why that is relevant.  The singularity has position but no volume (Kether in Qaballah) so cannot have shape (morphic - form). I do agree that there is an organising principle at work.  It is my ally.

[HeywoodFloyd]

Captain Dave,

thank you for your reply.

I think it has not do to with "Gravity".
I think it has to do with the Electromagnetic Force.

In other terms, I think that Gravity is just an expression of the Electromagnetic Force.
Manipulating the Electromagnetic Force, you can alter gravity, and you can bend Time-Space.

(this is what they did with Die Glocke in 1944-1945, and this is what they do in the Secret Space Program).


And I think that mainstream science is totally out of the way in understanding Universe and how it works.
I think that the Scientists have been completely misdirected, on purpose,  by the Control Group of the Secret Space Program.
(the one which was called "Majestic 12" in the old times).

- probably John Lear knows something about this... 


and I think that the Strong Nuclear Force and the Weak Nuclear Force do not exist - they are just inventions of the normal level Scientists - just as Dark Matter and Dark Energy do not exist - and neither the Big Bang, for that matter.

At this point, after many years of research, no data, no observation demonstrate the existence of Dark Matter and Dark Energy - Nothing.

And no data, no observation demonstrate the existence of the Strong Nuclear Force and of the Weak Nuclear Force. - the effects on Atom Nuclei can be explained in totally different ways

(Singularity, again? - perhaps...)

[Pimander]

I mean by dark energy, an energy (or field effect) that hasn't been measured.  I agree with a lot, in fact most, of what you say here.

You haven't explained the singularity bit still.  Why do you think it has anything to do with a singularity.  An organising "field" could exist without the singularity.  Why do you think a singularity is involved.

I'm not saying it has nothing to do with singularities.  I'm trying to see why you think it is.

[HeywoodFloyd]

I should explain how I see this "Singularity" works...

it's not easy to explain with words. I should make a drawing to visualize.
I'll try to do in the next days.

For now, with words:

Imagine a double torus - like two toroidal transformers, for instance, placed one above the other, and with opposite electromagnetic force lines.

The resulting outside force field would be on a thin, round plane, right from the middle between the two toruses,
With energy flowing outwards,
and energy back inwards from the poles

can you visualize the concept?

Imagine this double torus in the dead center of Saturn...

[Pimander]

I totally get that.  But that is a "double toroid like" (EDIT:  I couldn't think of a better term but don't like this lol) field, not a singularity.  Surely we don't know what causes the field?  It might be a singularity but it could be something else if you catch my drift....

NOTE:  I'm playing now but..... Maybe Saturns interior has the properties of a toroid or several but no singularity?  That's why it isn't a black hole?

[Captain Dave]

thank you for your reply.

I think it has not do to with "Gravity".
I think it has to do with the Electromagnetic Force.

In other terms, I think that Gravity is just an expression of the Electromagnetic Force.
Manipulating the Electromagnetic Force, you can alter gravity, and you can bend Time-Space.

Thanks for the Thread! 
I agree to some extent, but to me electromagnetic force itself has mass, is created by mass, and is affecting non magnetic mass. I think it plays it's role, but is not the only force involved.

I'm thinking that "simple gravity" for a lack of better terms is created by many things, both magnetic forces and the movement of mass etc.

When mass moves, it affects other objects of mass within a specific proximity creating areas of higher or lower force as it moves. (Based on both objects of mass being within the same dimension/field...)

Ie: drop a pebble in a still pond and the ripples flow outward equal to the force that was applied - eventually dissipating once an equal oppositional force pushes back and balance is re-established.  The old "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction".

To me this is why everything is where it is - constantly opposing "fields of force" moving or stopping objects of mass within their field depending upon where the object is within the opposing fields.

While on Earth, we are pulled to it. To get off of Earth, we would have to exert a greater and opposite force - Or remove ourselves from the fields of force altogether.

For instance, a tornado exerts greater force than gravity, Helicopter, Blimp, hot air balloon...

I'm just a philosopher when it comes to physics so please feel free to laugh at my theories - I do. 

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=512.msg5301#new

[Amaterasu]

I think You're on to something...  Consider a planet going around the sun 2 billion years ago.  A major meteor hits.  This perturbs its orbit ever so slightly, but, like the butterfly effect, in 2 billion years, the orbit would be WAY out of kilter.

Now We are fairly certain that all of the planets have been hit at least once over the course of things by at least one major impact.  The solar system should have planets running hither and yon.

Unless We presuppose that equal and opposite strikes have occurred to all Our planets...which requires probabilities off the charts...something OTHER than gravity is holding Us firm.  (Pluto may be in the act of restabalization after some event, like a near passing of a large body.)

Excellent thread!

[hobbit]

As above, so below.
The heart centred dualistic toroid is at the heart centre of all.
Everything only exists because of this, every atom and every part of every atom is oprating to this self same system, and it transfersvia birkeland currents about universe.
The scars on the moon and planets are discharge craters, not impact.
ANU .
http://www.greatdreams.com/grace/126/134anuqa.html

I can detect and verify this , and YOU are composed of zillions of these compounded together in Your overall such field.
I can achieve this detection and measure of each field via dowsing, and I am as good as it gets, not arrogance that, just how it is.

There is no force called gravity, it is all about attraction and repulsion.
look at the clouds, and their different layers.
There is no aunty gravity, or anti gravity, as it doesn't exist, hence nobody can achieve such, but locally divert one of the whorls, and then so called gravity will vary relative to the divergance.
And John Worrell Keely was correct to say
"Time is gravity."

hobbit

[Captain Dave]

I think You're on to something...  Consider a planet going around the sun 2 billion years ago.  A major meteor hits.  This perturbs its orbit ever so slightly, but, like the butterfly effect, in 2 billion years, the orbit would be WAY out of kilter.

Now We are fairly certain that all of the planets have been hit at least once over the course of things by at least one major impact.  The solar system should have planets running hither and yon.

Unless We presuppose that equal and opposite strikes have occurred to all Our planets...which requires probabilities off the charts...something OTHER than gravity is holding Us firm.  (Pluto may be in the act of restabalization after some event, like a near passing of a large body.)

Excellent thread!

Interestingly enough, here we have what appears to be large impact areas both at the equator and the tip of south America.

[HeywoodFloyd]

thank you Amaterasu,
and thank you all for the intelligent discussion.

I want to add 2 more elements on the table:


1.- 99.9% of the observed matter in the Universe is at the Plasma state.

(this means that matter as we know it on this Planet - solid state, liquid state, gaseous state - is just a very, very rare exception in the Universe)

and we know very little about matter at the Plasma state
(given the level of pressures and temperatures involved - just think about the 2 million degrees of the Solar Corona)


2.- at the atomic/quantum level, the "Force of Gravity" is 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times weaker than the Electromagnetic Force (1 with 39 zero's weaker)

Thus, irrelevant with respect to the Electromagnetic Force

[Amaterasu]

As above, so below.
The heart centred dualistic toroid is at the heart centre of all.
Everything only exists because of this, every atom and every part of every atom is oprating to this self same system, and it transfersvia birkeland currents about universe.
The scars on the moon and planets are discharge craters, not impact.
ANU .
http://www.greatdreams.com/grace/126/134anuqa.html

I can detect and verify this , and YOU are composed of zillions of these compounded together in Your overall such field.
I can achieve this detection and measure of each field via dowsing, and I am as good as it gets, not arrogance that, just how it is.

There is no force called gravity, it is all about attraction and repulsion.
look at the clouds, and their different layers.
There is no aunty gravity, or anti gravity, as it doesn't exist, hence nobody can achieve such, but locally divert one of the whorls, and then so called gravity will vary relative to the divergance.
And John Worrell Keely was correct to say
"Time is gravity."

hobbit

In a sense You're right...  It seems that positively charged particles have positive "gravity" (attraction) and negatively charged particles have negative "gravity" (repulsion).  But for convenience's sake, We call it gravity.

And the force is quite strong in both cases.  It only appears so weak because the positive charges are cancelled out by the negative charges...almost.  The positive "gravity" particles have just the smallest degree more attraction than the negative "gravity" particles have repulsion.  The accumulated positive excess of the planet is what We observe as a weak "gravity" force.