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Started by Elvis Hendrix, January 30, 2014, 09:31:34 PM

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ArMaP

Quote from: deuem on February 01, 2014, 06:21:02 PM
If you want to consider the two front legs that are used for feeding, working as an extra pair of pedipalps then consider 10 leg spiders.
Go look up 6 and 10 leg spiders.
No need to look for them, they do not exist. :)

The fact that a pair of legs looks like something else or that something else looks like a pair of legs doesn't change the fact that the spiders have 4 pairs of legs.

Elvis Hendrix

"Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration – that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."
B H.

Sinny

Quote from: ArMaP on January 31, 2014, 01:30:48 PM
It's easier if you provide an example of what you're thinking about. :)

Still of the leggy thing taken from the embedded YouTube Vid: (2.07 Mins)


Here are stills of one mid-shift at 2.21 mins:






Generic NASA compilation:


I've always wondered why this aspect isn't discussed much. 

Why is that Astronaut surrounded by blue? (That Z posted)
"The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society"- JFK

ArMaP

Quote from: Sinny on February 01, 2014, 08:57:28 PM
Still of the leggy thing taken from the embedded YouTube Vid: (2.07 Mins)
That's an interesting one. The bigger part looks transparent and acting like a lens

QuoteHere are stills of one mid-shift at 2.21 mins:




That looks like a water droplet, possible if this was filmed from behind a window, not possible if it wasn't. :)

Elvis Hendrix

"Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration – that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."
B H.

Sinny

Quote from: ArMaP on February 01, 2014, 09:22:12 PM
That's an interesting one. The bigger part looks transparent and acting like a lens
That looks like a water droplet, possible if this was filmed from behind a window, not possible if it wasn't. :)

I'm a firm believer in the Duck Thesis.
If it looks like one and and it quakes like one..
"The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society"- JFK

ArMaP

Quote from: Sinny on February 01, 2014, 09:51:39 PM
I would agree with you save for the fact it obviously looks like a shape shifting, and more notably, common UFO sphere.
Water droplets are shape shifting. UFO spheres are less common than water droplets. ;D

QuoteAnd it only remotely looks like a water droplet with a stretch of the imagination and with a view of not accounting all other supporting evidence.
No need for imagination (if imagination was needed I wouldn't see it as a water droplet, my imagination doesn't work for things like this) to see something round and transparent as a water droplet. And I haven't seen any supporting evidence.

QuoteI'm a firm believer in the Duck Thesis.
If it looks like one and and it quakes like one..
The problem is that many people see just the head of a platypus and say it's a duck, even if they don't see it walk or ear it quack, because they want it to be a duck. :)

zorgon

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Quote from: Sinny on February 01, 2014, 09:51:39 PM
I'm a firm believer in the Duck Thesis.
If it looks like one and and it quakes like one..

Well the thing is... the geniuses :P at NASA have made their own UFO's :D  I prefer to use clear images when I look...  but this one was found by Exuberant1



See if you can find it on THIS image :D



here it is buzzing an astronaut...



Shapeshiffting can be achieved by camera focus :P WHY are all the UFO videos always so blurry?  :o

::)



zorgon

And yeah... we did a thread on the floating NASA SPHERES :D

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=261.msg2112#msg2112

My only question... how can we get one for Peggy?

::)

zorgon

ODERACS Deployment, 9 February 1994


Sinny

"The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society"- JFK

deuem

Quote from: ArMaP on February 01, 2014, 06:33:04 PM
No need to look for them, they do not exist. :)

The fact that a pair of legs looks like something else or that something else looks like a pair of legs doesn't change the fact that the spiders have 4 pairs of legs.

I posted a photo of 4 spiders with 6 legs and you won't even look at it. If they do have another set of legs that they use for eating, you can't see them.

There are also 10 legged spiders that have an extra set of legs like T-rex. Just long enough to feed their face like crabs do.

Dismissing this fact of nature does not earn you any bonus points. The great ArMaP has spoken 8 Legs. Period.  Sorry but go research it and get back to us.

Many time a set of legs will also fall off due to being ill or battle. Leaving them with 3 sets. It is also possible that the photo is of a dead spider that has lost a set of legs.

The photo clearly shows a spider or spider like object with 6 legs. It is not lint.  So if I pulled a leg off of you and you were left with one leg would you still be a human?

How many you start off with and how many you have now are due to what happens to you in life and death.  Think T-Rex please

Deuem, go look it up, theis is not "Simmon says" 6 legs, 8 legs, 10 legs

Elvis Hendrix

"Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration – that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."
B H.

ArMaP

Quote from: deuem on February 02, 2014, 04:55:31 AM
I posted a photo of 4 spiders with 6 legs and you won't even look at it. If they do have another set of legs that they use for eating, you can't see them.
When you see only 4 or 6 legs you are not seeing the front legs that, in some spiders, are much smaller and are not used for locomotion.

QuoteThere are also 10 legged spiders that have an extra set of legs like T-rex. Just long enough to feed their face like crabs do.
No, that extra pair in front of the four pairs of legs are not legs, like the scorpions' pedipalps with the claws at the end.

QuoteDismissing this fact of nature does not earn you any bonus points. The great ArMaP has spoken 8 Legs. Period.  Sorry but go research it and get back to us.
It's not the great ArMaP that has spoken (there's no such thing), it's zoology that has spoken. Look it up instead of making this, as we say in Portugal, a seven-headed bug.  :P

From Wikipedia:
QuoteSpiders (order Araneae) are air-breathing arthropods that have eight legs and chelicerae with fangs that inject venom. They are the largest order of arachnids and rank seventh in total species diversity among all other groups of organisms.

QuoteArachnids are a class (Arachnida) of joint-legged invertebrate animals in the subphylum Chelicerata. All arachnids have eight legs, although the front pair of legs in some species has converted to a sensory function, while in other species, different appendages can grow large enough to take on the appearance of extra pairs of legs. The term is derived from the Greek word ?????? (aráchn?), meaning "spider".

QuoteAlmost all adult arachnids have eight legs, and arachnids may be easily distinguished from insects by this fact, since insects have six legs. However, arachnids also have two further pairs of appendages that have become adapted for feeding, defense, and sensory perception. The first pair, the chelicerae, serve in feeding and defense. The next pair of appendages, the pedipalps have been adapted for feeding, locomotion, and/or reproductive functions. In Solifugae, the palps are quite leg-like, so that these animals appear to have ten legs. The larvae of mites and Ricinulei have only six legs; the fourth pair appears when they moult into nymphs. However, there are also adult mites with six, or even four legs.

QuoteMost adult mites have four pairs of legs, like other arachnids, but some have fewer. For example, gall mites like Phyllocoptes variabilis (superfamily Eriophyioidea) have a wormlike body with only two pairs of legs; some parasitic mites have only one or three pairs of legs in the adult stage. Larval and prelarval stages have a maximum of three pairs of legs; adult mites with only three pairs of legs may be called 'larviform'.

QuoteMany time a set of legs will also fall off due to being ill or battle.
I don't think it's very likely for a complete pair to fall or be cut just at the joining with the body.

QuoteIt is also possible that the photo is of a dead spider that has lost a set of legs.
It is also possible that the photo is not of a spider. ;)

QuoteThe photo clearly shows a spider or spider like object with 6 legs. It is not lint.
It shows it so clearly that I don't see it, and I am used to look at scanned photos and documents as part of my job (the company where I work once scanned more than 1,500,000 documents).

QuoteSo if I pulled a leg off of you and you were left with one leg would you still be a human?
As much as I am with both my legs. But that wouldn't change the definition, and that's the definition that you have been denying, saying that there are spiders with 6 and 10 legs. The removal of a pair of legs wouldn't turn an 8 legged spider into a 10 legged one, right? ;)

QuoteDeuem, go look it up, theis is not "Simmon says" 6 legs, 8 legs, 10 legs
Learning something doesn't hurt, try it once in a while.  :P

ArMaP

Quote from: Elvis Hendrix on February 02, 2014, 11:35:40 AM


Heres a nice one from Apollo 10

http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/sseop/images/ISD/highres/AS10/AS10-35-5223.jpg

credit Max Peck over at space time
That one shows one characteristic of things that are on the photo or on the scanner during the scanning process. As the light emitted by the scanner hits the photo and is returned back to the scanner sensor, something translucent like lint (I haven't used this word because I didn't know about it, so I had to look it up) will appear brighter over brighter areas of the photo and darker over darker areas, as the light is being reflected by the photo and goes through the lint.