Marijuana / Cannabis / Medicine

[Amaterasu]

I think it's good common sense that being either stoned or drunk is an issue with driving.  To defend otherwise is intellectually dishonest at the least, or you are personally vested in your own chemical issue.  And your links LOL, no vested interest in some of those, eh?

Ah.  It's common sense to ignore vast scientific evidence.  Ok.  [shrug]  Guess I'm "dishonest" for taking the data given and extrapolating.

Turns out that most users of cannabis drive.  While under the influence.  And have for many decades.  100's of thousands daily.  No major issues.  The implication that legalizing it has created a huge upswing in lethal accidents is absurd.  Few users were added with the legalization, as most users used anyway when it was "illegal."

But I guess if You want to believe this propaganda piece, no skin off My nose.

I don't know about the rest of yea but I don't want my airplane pilot stoned or drunk, neither do I want my taxi driver to be that way. I don't care how many reports are posted. come on. No heavy equipment or dangerous toys. Maybe if someone gets stoned everyday they get used to it but what about the once a month people. I have seen people so stoned they don't even know where they are. Do you really want them driving out there at 5mph and stopping at every 7-11.

Deuem

Novice users indeed need to use caution.  "Do not drive until You know how this medication will affect You."  And surely dangerous jobs should not be undertaken...  But I will bet that MANY more pilots and cab drivers are users than You might think...  (Pilots less than cabbies, though.  They get drug tested.)

[ArMaP]

Turns out that most users of cannabis drive.  While under the influence.  And have for many decades.  100's of thousands daily.  No major issues.

The same can be said about alcohol.

[RUSSO]

The same can be said about alcohol.

Drugs and driving do not mix. Bad news most of the time.

[robomont]

Its about generating new money from dui.they are trying to generate support for more inforcement.checkpoints etc.when in reallity me and the crew i was with would actually cheech out in our  trucks going down the highway on long trips.almost every job was a hundred plus miles away.some took as much as a two days to get to.stoned the whole way.never had a wreck in twenty years that was drivers fault or companies fault.then as a air conditioning tech i stayed stoned all day servicing units.only had to go back to three jobs in five years.so i can vouch for what i know and that is that the cops just want more of that easy drug money like junkies themselves.

[RUSSO]

Its about generating new money from dui.they are trying to generate support for more inforcement.checkpoints etc.when in reallity me and the crew i was with would actually cheech out in our  trucks going down the highway on long trips.almost every job was a hundred plus miles away.some took as much as a two days to get to.stoned the whole way.never had a wreck in twenty years that was drivers fault or companies fault.then as a air conditioning tech i stayed stoned all day servicing units.only had to go back to three jobs in five years.so i can vouch for what i know and that is that the cops just want more of that easy drug money like junkies themselves.

The problem i see is that with different people, we may have different results. Think about how you would feel if someone run over someone you care about when using some substance?

[zorgon]

It all comes down to abuse

Alcohol consumed by millions has no effects, its the abusers that cause the problems. I drink, not so much these days but used to chug that rum LOL

Never drove drunk, never killed anyone

But I have also seen those that smoke pot way back in high school and recently at work n the Convention business

It is not the recreational smokers doing it on their free time that are an issue, though I do want to see controls of SECOND HAND Smoke like they do on cigarettes

It is those that go to work smoking pot on breaks that is the problem

Anyone that says otherwise is just LYING to themselves when they say that these people are alert BULLSH!T

[zorgon]

The problem i see is that with different people, we may have different results. Think about how you would feel if someone run over someone you care about when using some substance?

Yes it has happened in Vegas  Forklift operators smoking pot have killed people. GES had enough money to keep it out of the local papers

Legalize it... make big bucks on it  no problem for me...

But ENFORCE at work and driving under the influence

and keep your damn smoke to yourself

Had a house of the street 3 doors down. They had a pot party of gang members. You could smell the weed INSIDE my house 3 doors down

I think next time I will toss stink bombs at them

The cops rousted them (didn't arrest anyone just sent them home )

I have rights too and I don't want to breathe your Feelthy noxious fumes

Guy across the street has to smoke outside his own house... Butts all over the road

Why do smokers think they can just toss their butts anywhere they choose? Wind blows them into my garden

FEELTHY ANIMALS

Beware Zorgon's stink bomb retaliation

[RUSSO]

FEELTHY ANIMALS

Beware Zorgon's stink bomb retaliation

Hummm, i feel some kind of repressed desire here  Z   

But seriously ...

Recreational drugs should be used in peaceful places, respecting the limits of individuality. Thats what common sense is. Honestly, the evil of the century seems to be the lack of it.

People grow up to act like spoiled children.

Funny thing is that these people do not realize that the freedom they received is being attacked by themselves.

[Amaterasu]

The same can be said about alcohol.

And the evidence that alcohol use, NOVICE OR NOT, adversely affects driving is widespread.  The only evidence that non-novice users of cannabis have any issues are a few propaganda pieces.  Meanwhile, 20 year studies and other studies are showing no such issues.  Period.

[Amaterasu]

The problem i see is that with different people, we may have different results. Think about how you would feel if someone run over someone you care about when using some substance?

Same as I would feel if They were sober - which happens with slightly more frequency than with People using cannabis (statistically the same, as the difference is statistically insignificant).

[ArMaP]

Period.

That's the best evidence I have ever seen...   

[RUSSO]

Same as I would feel if They were sober - which happens with slightly more frequency than with People using cannabis (statistically the same, as the difference is statistically insignificant).

Statistically speaking.. You really think that there is so many people in the world that drives under effect of marijuana? Accidents happens, yes. But when people are under effect of drugs, it happens even more. And is hard call it an accident if you are drugged, increasing the risk to cause a disaster.

In their review of driving simulator studies, Kelly and colleagues17 concluded that there is evidence of dose-dependent impairments in marijuana-affected individuals' ability to control a vehicle in the areas of steering, headway control, speed variability, car following, reaction time and lane positioning. They noted, however, that the levels of impairment detected in simulator studies did not appear to replicate those found in laboratory studies, and speculated that this may be due to the marijuana-affected participants consciously compensating for their impairments. Nonetheless, it should be acknowledged that "even in those who learn to compensate for a drug's impairing effects, substantial impairment in performance can still be observed under conditions of general task performance (i.e. when no contingencies are present to maintain compensated performance." (p. 176).22 - See more at: http://adai.uw.edu/marijuana/factsheets/driving.htm#sthash.cHrT1ygA.dpuf

http://adai.uw.edu/marijuana/factsheets/driving.htm

[Amaterasu]

Statistically speaking.. You really think that there is so many people in the world that drives under effect of marijuana?

Yes.

[RUSSO]

Yes.

So, there is no discussion with you anymore.  It would be stupid continue. End line for me.

[deuem]

Same as I would feel if They were sober - which happens with slightly more frequency than with People using cannabis (statistically the same, as the difference is statistically insignificant).

I guess the how do you feel question is the same if someone dies. Rather they are sober or high the person is dead! What happens to the driver depends on the reason of the death in most places.

But what I don't understand is the quote that "statistically the numbers are the same"?

Driving a car drunk, sober or high is not the same. They are 3 different styles and reactions.

If 100 people run over other people then what do the numbers say?

49% drunk
25% high
25% sober
1% stupid

Something like that?

Confused Deuem