Mankind is Destroying the Universe

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Quantum weirdness may hide an orderly reality after all.

Another  David Bohm Article...



Often brushed aside like a forgotten stepchild, a 64-year-old theory of quantum mechanics may now share the stage with its more well-regarded siblings. If it holds up, it might lend support to ideas that the universe is improbably interconnected across vast distances.

The theory, by physicist David Bohm, has been resurrected after researchers carried out experiments on photons that seemed to support it.

The behaviour of the quantum world has befuddled physicists for nearly a century. "We have had geniuses working on it and we still have a problem," says Basil Hiley, a quantum physicist at Birkbeck College at the University of London, who worked with Bohm until the latter's death in 1992.


Unlike the classical world, with its clockwork precision and pleasing predictability, the quantum world is rife with randomness.

The famous illustration is the double-slit experiment: if you fire photons at two slits, our classical intuition expects each to pass through one or the other slit and hit a screen on the other side, making a single mark indicative of its particle nature. But when you try it, the photons create an interference pattern of light and dark bands on the screen, as if each photon behaved like a wave and passed through both slits simultaneously.

The dominant explanation of such behaviour is called the Copenhagen interpretation, which states that the question of whether a photon is a wave or a particle has no meaning until you make a measurement – and then it becomes one or the other depending on which property you measure. The other favoured explanation is the many-worlds interpretation, under which each possible state of the photon becomes manifest in an alternate world.

Underlying order
But in 1952, Bohm suggested that the quantum world only appears weird because we don't know enough about its underlying reality. Beneath the quantum weirdness, he said, reality is orderly.

"It's a very deterministic description, where all the particles in nature have definite positions and follow definite trajectories," says Aephraim Steinberg of the University of Toronto in Canada.

Many recent experiments have suggested that no such hidden reality exists. However, they have only ruled out a specific class of theories in which the hidden reality of any particle is local, and not influenced by something far away.

Bohm's ideas involve non-local hidden reality, in which everything depends on everything. In his universe, something happening in a distant galaxy is influencing you right now and vice versa, however minor the effect.

Take the debate over whether an electron is a wave or a particle. Bohm's theory says that it's both: an electron is a particle with a definite trajectory, but this path is governed by a wave upon which the electron rides. The wave can also be influenced by other particles, which in turn changes the trajectory of the electron.

Surrealism
This "Bohmian mechanics" did not go down well with everyone. A 1992 thought experiment seemed to sound the death knell. Called the ESSW experiment after the initials of its four authors, it returned to the double-slit experiment with Bohm in mind.

Bohmian mechanics holds that a photon will either go through the top or the bottom slit, not both. Guided by their waves, the top ones will end up at the top half of the screen and the bottom ones at the bottom half.

The ESSW experiment added a twist. The researchers imagined a detector in front of the slits that could tell whether a photon went through the top or bottom one. Their mathematical analysis showed something very strange: a photon could sometimes trigger the top-slit detector, but end up at the bottom half of the screen. They called this forbidden path a "surreal" trajectory, although theorists at the time debated its validity.

Bohm is back
Now Steinberg and colleagues have performed the ESSW experiment themselves – and concluded that Bohm is back in the game.

They started with pairs of entangled photons, which are so intimately related that measuring the polarisation state of one affects the polarisation state of the other, no matter how far apart they are. One of each pair was sent into apparatus analogous to the double-slit set-up.

Depending on whether its polarisation was vertical or horizontal, the photon was steered towards either the top or bottom slit. As it traversed the apparatus, the researchers probed its position gently enough to preserve its quantum nature. Each measurement gave only an approximate value, but by tracking a vast ensemble of identical photons, they were able to reconstruct the set of trajectories the photons followed from the slit to the screen.

The other photon of each pair remained outside the double-slit apparatus, allowing the researchers to use it as a probe – analogous to the detector in the ESSW experiment. Because of their entanglement, the probe's polarisation should dutifully reflect the slit its partner took as it entered the apparatus. And indeed, at the start of the trajectory, the probe photon's polarisation state accurately mirrored the path its partner took.

The team kept measuring the probe's photon state as its partner sped through the apparatus, and found that the polarisation kept changing. For example, if it was horizontally polarised to start with, this suggested that its partner went through the bottom slit.

But by the time the partner reached the screen, the probe photon had ended up in a superposition of both states, equally likely to be horizontally or vertically polarised. Depending on when you looked at the probe photon's state, you either got correct information about its partner's path, or would be led astray.

Real world
The team thinks this means that the trajectory of the first photon changed the probe's polarisation – in line with Bohm's ideas on non-local interactions. This could resolve the problem identified by the ESSW thought experiment. ESSW thought the problem lay with the photon's trajectory, but Steinberg and his colleagues showed that the trajectory is real – but the detector is an unreliable witness.

"I'm happy to see this resolution. It restores my taste for Bohmian mechanics," says Steinberg. "We want to bring it back to its rightful place among all other interpretations."

Hiley is impressed by the experiment. "It is a new way of looking at quantum non-locality, which vindicates the Bohm position," he says.

Sheldon Goldstein, an expert on the foundations of quantum mechanics at Rutgers University in New Jersey, points out that the experiment's observation of particle trajectories predicted by Bohmian mechanics does not prove that Bohm's theory on the nature of reality was correct. Such paths can also be explained using other theories, he says.

But Goldstein says there are changes afoot. "After decades and decades, people are taking Bohmian mechanics a little bit more seriously," he says. "There was a time when you couldn't even talk about it because it was heretical. It probably still is the kiss of death for a physics career to be actually working on Bohm, but maybe that's changing."


https://www.newscientist.com/article/2078251-quantum-weirdness-may-hide-an-orderly-reality-after-all/

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are you saying *to cut a long storey shor*t we all have super symmetrical twins ?


*shudders at the thought*

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and with that now, if I sit and think about this dualistic super symmetrical twin, reciprocate yet opposite thoughts are considered , at unknown distance's, of me ?



I suppose if there was a third party with the ability to observe both states, much would be gleaned

what an interesting position that would be

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are you saying *to cut a long storey shor*t we all have super symmetrical twins ?


*shudders at the thought*

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lol  Not sure about that one fb.  It does present an interesting mental image. 

What it does show us is that everything is connected, a complete whole.  There is a medium that pervades the universe and we are all connected in it.  It has been proven that the wave collapse into a particle takes place "non-locally", that is, faster than light and we cannot directly observe it because all of our thoughts are an instant AFTER the collapse.  We are products of that collapse.  It is the same wave universe indicated by the double slit experiment.  A glimpse of the wave state of things is something that I think can be achieved and that is described in the Upanishads, as I posted earlier in this thread.  The true alchemy.

Cosmo

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Charles Fort

It is our expression that nothing can attempt to be, except by attempting to exclude something else: that that which is commonly called "being" is a state that is wrought more or less definitely proportionately to the appearance of positive difference between that which is included and that which is excluded.

Conventional monism, or that all "things" that seem to have identity of their own are only islands that are projections from something underlying, and have no real outlines of their own.

But that all "things," though only projections, are projections that are striving to break away from the underlying that denies them identity of their own.

I conceive of one inter-continuous nexus, in which and of which all seeming things are only different expressions, but in which all things are localizations of one attempt to break away and become real things, or to establish entity or positive difference or final demarcation or unmodified independence—or personality or soul, as it is called in human phenomena—

That anything that tries to establish itself as a real, or positive, or absolute system, government, organization, self, soul, entity, individuality, can so attempt only by drawing a line about itself, or about the inclusions that constitute itself, and damning or excluding, or breaking away from, all other "things":

http://sacred-texts.com/fort/damn/damn01.htm

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Charles Forthttp://sacred-texts.com/fort/damn/damn01.htm

Nice Dyna.  It's physics, it's metaphysics, there is no separation.  The disconnectedness we observe is just an illusion.  Maya. 

Cosmo

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Charles Forthttp://sacred-texts.com/fort/damn/damn01.htm

ah , that would be the inter continuous nexus

quaz-i-ly put maam

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lol  Not sure about that one fb.  It does present an interesting mental image. 

What it does show us is that everything is connected, a complete whole.  There is a medium that pervades the universe and we are all connected in it.  It has been proven that the wave collapse into a particle takes place "non-locally", that is, faster than light and we cannot directly observe it because all of our thoughts are an instant AFTER the collapse.  We are products of that collapse.  It is the same wave universe indicated by the double slit experiment.  A glimpse of the wave state of things is something that I think can be achieved and that is described in the Upanishads, as I posted earlier in this thread.  The true alchemy.

Cosmo

nor me , ive been trying all afternoon to get in touch with my mirrored symmetrical twin, but there seems to be only silence, bar occasional pins and needles in the ole tentacles

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Somehow reminds me of the white room or gray room stories. Maybe the real us is still in the white room.

THE LARGE WHITE ROOM

One of the most common visions recalled is of a bright white room – a waiting room, of sorts. "I recall being in a large white room," says Bernard of a memory he began to become aware of when he was three of four years old. "I was sitting on the floor waiting for someone to direct me.
http://paranormal.about.com/od/reincarnation/fl/Pre-Birth-Memories.htm

I heard one of them say "he isn't supposed to be here yet" and another said "how did he get here" using a whispering tone.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1063279/pg1

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Somehow reminds me of the white room or gray room stories. Maybe the real us is still in the white room.

THE LARGE WHITE ROOM

One of the most common visions recalled is of a bright white room – a waiting room, of sorts. "I recall being in a large white room," says Bernard of a memory he began to become aware of when he was three of four years old. "I was sitting on the floor waiting for someone to direct me.
http://paranormal.about.com/od/reincarnation/fl/Pre-Birth-Memories.htm

I heard one of them say "he isn't supposed to be here yet" and another said "how did he get here" using a whispering tone.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1063279/pg1

Brahman is described as being nameless and formless.  Yeah..they gave it a name...but I guess  we need to call it something.  It is attributed as being nameless and formless because it does not resemble anything in the physical universe.  How would the quantum wave state of the universe appear?  It is the raw state of creation, the PRE-FORM of things to be.  Our physical bodies and brains exist an instant downstream from the act of creation.  Unless we "we rein in the horses of the fives senses", shut down the receiver of the quantum signal, we are crystallized, stuck in the past and absolutely cannot access it.   As the Gnostics describe the Pleroma as the realm that precedes material manifestation, it is BEFORE the translation of the quantum wave collapse, the pure, energetic state of things.  Chinmoy gives us a very good description the experience:  http://www.srichinmoy.org/spirituality/concentration_meditation_contemplation/samadhi

I think the things that people see that resemble relatives, or earth like scenes are creations of the organic brain processes, imparting it's own aspects on the early stages of transcendence.  Again, the eternal illumination does not resemble anything in this physical universe and that is why describing it adequately is very difficult. 

From Chinmoy...he knew...

In savikalpa samadhi there are thoughts and ideas coming from various places, but they do not affect you. While you are meditating, you remain undisturbed, and your inner being functions in a dynamic and confident manner. But when you are a little higher, when you have become one with the soul in nirvikalpa samadhi, there will be no ideas or thoughts at all. I am trying to explain it in words, but the consciousness of nirvikalpa samadhi can never be adequately explained or expressed. I am trying my best to tell you about this from a very high consciousness, but still my mind is expressing it. But in nirvikalpa samadhi there is no mind; there is only infinite peace and bliss. There nature's dance stops, and the knower and the known become one. There you enjoy a supremely divine, all-pervading, self-amorous ecstasy. You become the object of enjoyment, you become the enjoyer and you become the enjoyment itself.

When you enter into nirvikalpa samadhi, the first thing you feel is that your heart is larger than the universe itself. Ordinarily you see the world around you, and the universe seems infinitely larger than you are. But this is because the world and the universe are perceived by the limited mind. When you are in nirvikalpa samadhi, you see the universe as a tiny dot inside your vast heart.

In nirvikalpa samadhi there is infinite bliss. Bliss is a vague word to most people. They hear that there is something called bliss, and some people say that they have experienced it, but most individuals have no firsthand knowledge of it. When you enter into nirvikalpa samadhi, however, you not only feel bliss, but actually grow into that bliss.

The third thing you feel in nirvikalpa samadhi is power. All the power of all the occultists put together is nothing compared with the power you have in nirvikalpa samadhi. But the power that you can take from samadhi to utilise on earth is infinitesimal compared with the entirety.



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Somehow reminds me of the white room or gray room stories. Maybe the real us is still in the white room.

THE LARGE WHITE ROOM

One of the most common visions recalled is of a bright white room – a waiting room, of sorts. "I recall being in a large white room," says Bernard of a memory he began to become aware of when he was three of four years old. "I was sitting on the floor waiting for someone to direct me.
http://paranormal.about.com/od/reincarnation/fl/Pre-Birth-Memories.htm

I heard one of them say "he isn't supposed to be here yet" and another said "how did he get here" using a whispering tone.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1063279/pg1

I wonder what David Lynch is going to be doing in the new twin peaks





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