Mankind is Destroying the Universe

[COSMO]

So, the universe won't end with a bang or a whimper, but with an observation? 

The researchers, who first proposed their idea in 2007, argue that continuous observation of the universe might put it into a state that will destroy us all.

Their theory relates to a strange property of quantum physics which controls the behaviour of subatomic particles and possibly the whole universe.

If a collapse occurs, it won't exceed the speed of light, so we'll probably see it coming, according to Esther Inglis-Arkell at iO9.

The reason for a collapse, says Professor Krauss, has to do with the strange way quantum states are affected by someone looking at it.

In the Schrödinger's cat thought experiment, a cat in a box whose fate is decided by subatomic particles is both alive and dead until someone lifts the lid and observes it.

Only then is the cat discovered to be either 'alive' or 'dead'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2552130/Could-studying-universe-DESTROY-Changing-perception-cosmos-end-quantum-theories-correct.html

OK...I have a different take on this.  It is US that is already and constantly collapsing the waveform.  The universe actually exists in the wave state, but it is part of us that makes the translation, collapses the waveform, fixes it in space/time as a particle.  When one halts the mental machinery, the thought process, that does the collapsing, through meditation, a direct observation of the wave universe, Brahman, with a part of us that is not our normal conscious state, becomes possible.  That is Samadhi.  At least that's one theory!...   

Cosmo 

[Amaterasu]

One has to wonder if the CAT's observations have any effect on things...

[COSMO]

One has to wonder if the CAT's observations have any effect on things...

My dog says no.

Cosmo

[The Matrix Traveller]

OK...I have a different take on this.  It is US that is already and constantly collapsing \
the waveform.

The universe actually exists in the wave state, but it is part of us that makes the translation, collapses the waveform, fixes it in space/time as a particle.

When one halts the mental machinery, the thought process, that does the collapsing, through meditation,
a direct observation of the wave universe, Brahman, with a part of us that is not our normal conscious state, becomes possible.

That is Samadhi.  At least that's one theory!...   

YES     I would go with that ....

Closely related to what I write about.

[COSMO]

YES     I would go with that ....

Closely related to what I write about.

Cool Traveller,

What is your metaphysical influence?  Mine is a personal experience that started me on a search that took years and led me to the Upanishads, so much of my references are Hindu in nature.  They were so incredibly wise and I think that much of the metaphysical wisdom of the world began with the ancient Hindu masters.  I think that what they called Samadhi is a direct experience of the primary medium, in it's quantum wave state(Brahman), before our mental machinery collapses the wave and creates the universe we observe.  Meditation is the way to halt the mental machinery to glimpse the raw state of creation, the eternal illumination.   I wonder if physicists are missing the point and that the math they are developing to describe the universe may actually be attempting to describe some of the qualities of the observer?  Biocentrism has value I think.  I will spend some time reading your postings.  I haven't been around much for awhile and I have a lot of catching up to do.   

Cosmo

[The Matrix Traveller]

I think what you are describing is in fact the case but the math is only a small part of it .

But YES through Meditation Practices, it is certainly possible, if not very likely,
one can observe and study Ones Processing System.

Even the Brain which is a Pseudo Processor, even though Neurologists realise it does NOT
function as our computers do today, the brain still involves a Processing System.

A lot of Research is being done in this area, but we need to look at some of the Brains functions
which are part of an "Interface System", between LIFE i.e. Conscious like "Awareness",
and our Experiences.


During my last visit to China I found that many are struggling with understanding these processes.

The Quantum Physics division in some Universities, have now "closed doors" to outsiders and foreigners.

Which was NOT the case during my Previous Visit to China in 2007/2008...

I could have made an appointment with the Quantum Physics Dept. but unfortunately I was only in Beijing
for just over a week. Maybe next time I return to China.

Just too much to do in so little time available.

I was able to spend some time though in the linguistics Department in one Beijing University.

Spent most of the morning and Part of the afternoon in discussions... I Had quite an interesting time ... 


I was also hoping to meet "Deuem" while in China this time, but unfortunately I ran out of Time.

My last trip to China was NOT planned the main purpose was to attend a funeral.

So next time I will hopefully have everything planned, and arranged before arriving China.

[Somamech]

Cosmo your thought's are very profound mate and I appreciate them!   

In-Fact so profound it would be nice to see them expounded upon a wee bit in the sense of sitting still.

As far as I can figure it's alway's the stillness that equates to the golden moments where the laws of earth bound skeptoids is broken.

I don't know what Matrix would say but it would seem we live in a world where we chase a result of light rather than knowing the event horizon of light, or the Zenith of Light. 

Either way I bet you both know more than me and I thoughly enjoy reading a good discussion on the topic !








   

[Somamech]

It would be interesting to get your take on not so much the destroying the universe Cosmo but more the the block on the wave?

Why you may ask?

Block a transmission and then you can interject.. some of us believe that is "Possibly" occuring here.

[The Matrix Traveller]

I don't know what Matrix would say but it would seem we live in a world where we chase a result of light rather than knowing the event horizon of light, or the Zenith of Light.

Once again Soma, you have hit the Nail right on the head, like a true Carpenter or Builder !

No bent Nails !   

The "Clue" .... to being able to Edit Programs, or even produce entirely new Programs ....   

[COSMO]

It would be interesting to get your take on not so much the destroying the universe Cosmo but more the the block on the wave?

Why you may ask?

Block a transmission and then you can interject.. some of us believe that is "Possibly" occuring here.

Hi Somamech,

Blocking the waves is not possible.  It is that wave universe that is the foundation of creation.  It is a part of us that does the translation of the probability wave, and then collapses it, resulting in the material world we observe.  What we see is a translation and it is always an instant removed from the moment of creation.  Every thought you have is in the past.  Krishnamurti said our thoughts are crystallized, dead, in the past and that our ability to think is finite, but our ability to experience is infinite.   Krishnamurti's wisdom is a jewel.  Everything we think or believe and all of our intellectual property is of the collapsed wave state, an instant removed from the wave form.  This is the puzzle of Samadhi,  how to access the pure, energy state of the universe, the eternal illumination, when it cannot be realized through thought, or intellectual effort.       

Here is a link about Samadhi.  I can tell that Sri Chimnoy experienced Samadhi.

http://www.srichinmoy.org/spirituality/concentration_meditation_contemplation/samadhi

Here's a quote related to "interjecting".

The third thing you feel in nirvikalpa samadhi is power. All the power of all the occultists put together is nothing compared with the power you have in nirvikalpa samadhi. But the power that you can take from samadhi to utilize on earth is infinitesimal compared with the entirety.


The ability to utilize the energy of the moment of creation and become co-creator is known as Siddhis.  They cannot be achieved by desire but are a natural result of attaining Samadhi. 

Cosmo

[Norval]

Mankind is Destroying the Universe



aaaaAAAACCcccoooooo (big sneeze)

Sorry, , just an allergic reaction.

Looks at the size of earth, , our sun,, , , , , ,  our galaxy, , , , , the universe.
, , , and we can destroy it ?!?!?!

I sneeze around BS. 

[COSMO]

Norval,

The article is about the quantum uncertainty principle and the way just observation can change the quantum state, collapsing a probability wave into a particle.  As I stated, I have a different take than the article.  I don't think that observation will destroy the universe and instead that we are contantly collapsing the wave state into the universe we observe and I am equating that with the Hindu concept of Samadhi and Brahman.  The ancient sages knew.   Here is a little video explaining the double slit experiment.  It demonstrates that the universe is stranger than it appears on the surface and it is quite similar to what the  Hindu sages said about our true nature and relationship to the universe.     



Cosmo

[Norval]

I respected your first response to me and I should have saved it. 

, , just a second, , ,

aaaaaAAAAACCCCCCCHHHHHHHhhoooooooooo, , , BSometer is still pegged.

IMO yah can't even trade for a cup of tea with those ideas and philosophies.

but that is just MHO. 

[COSMO]

Yeah,
Don,t waste your time thinking too deeply about it.  But I am curious.  Why would you take the time to make a negative comment about something that you obviously have no familiarity with?  The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is integral to quantum mechanics and the double slit experiment has been verified many time in the lab and is pretty common knowledge.  If you have problems accepting the link to the ancient wisdom, that's fine with me.  I have seen others make the connection.  One is a physicist named Fritjof Capra.   He wrote a pretty good book called The Tao of Physics.  I would recommend it to anyone wondering about that connection.  No, Norval, I am not recommending it to you.  It's just bs.     
Cosmo

Heisenberg

[rdunk]

"The reason for a collapse, says Professor Krauss, has to do with the strange way quantum states are affected by someone looking at it".

Well, I did just put a "life-preserver" on, so that just to be sure, if anyone looks at this, my "quantum states" won't collapse!! 

So now that I am in a "safe state" - - - if our observations are typically being made out into the quantum states of this universe, then aren't we seeing into the past at the speed of light distances? And if we are looking into the past, and seeing past universe events, are we (whoever) suggesting that just by our looking at a "past (already happened long ago) event" that we "might" be able to change the present state of the universe?? I am supposing that if what is suggested is true, and the universe of the past is destroyed, then the present would be destroyed too.

Right now, I would have a hard time accepting that just "observing" the incoming 100's. 1,000's, and billions of light years past could have any effect upon the actual past or present. If one accepted this thought, then would not this thought have to also apply to the  "observation quantum states" of picture taken of any subject at anytime in the past? Or maybe to subjects and places in a movie/video?

If this were a video game we are living in, then I suppose anything could be true. BUT, I don't believe that to be the case either.