Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?

[zorgon]

And you can see some great effects when they come through a cloud if the wind is calm enough





Google "Wake Vortex"

[Amaterasu]

Sorry, z, if I fail to see the similarity between what You show as wingtip vorteces, and what looked like lingering chemtrails in that vid.  Do You have any vid of this phenomenon?  How long do these vortex trails last?

EDIT to add:  That last pic looks shopped.  All the equally sized, round "painted" trails do NOT look natural.  Why ALL THE SAME SIZE?

[zorgon]

So They gave up trying to convince Us that there is no such thing as chemtrails, and are now trying to get Us to believe this chemical softkill is "for Our own good." 

Well the principle IS for our own good... the problem is they don't have the right answer. Global warming is real, despite the record snow falls this year. Global warming is not caused by mankind but is a natural system of cycles

The movie "The Day After Tomorrow shows the EXACT mechanism of how it happens... (though exaggerated for drama)

Remember this?



That is a 415,000 year record in the ice core samples from Lake Vostok.

Their idea is to try to slow down the coming of the next ice age, which is close...

I don't think they can and will likely make it worse. Imagine blocking the sun then not being able to unblock it when things cool down. NASA was even talking asteroid dust in space.  How will they get rid of it after?

That is the real danger here... the long term effect that we won't be able to undo

Here is the fill NASA video

[zorgon]

Sorry, z, if I fail to see the similarity between what You show as wingtip vorteces, and what looked like lingering chemtrails in that vid.

Well people see what they want to see

How long do these vortex trails last?

Depends on the density of the air, temperature and wind shear.  sometimes a few seconds  sometimes several minutes

Do You have any vid of this phenomenon?

Sure  here is s a short lived on that stays the same size... (the vortex will get bigger further back but may be invisible by then






Invisible when dry... they use smoke to show the effect





Here is one in daytime showing the same effect as the one you say is photoshopped

[Amaterasu]

What I don't understand is why these trails are NOT coming from the wing tips but roughly midway between tip and fuselage...

[zorgon]

What I don't understand is why these trails are NOT coming from the wing tips but roughly midway between tip and fuselage...

Because these are not created by the wingtips, but by the AILERONS (or FLAPS)

When a plane is in flight the wings provide lift... this is cause by air flowing at a different rate above the wing as below.  When you want to go up or down you tilt the aileron so that it disturbs the airflow enough to either increase lift or decrease it... In flight if you decrease it too much you will get a 'stall'  (meaning you just lost your lift because you created a region of turbulance)

Normal lift  (you can feel this in a car with your hand. If you are moving on a freeway stick your hand out the window palm down. thumb forward. Now twist your hand a little forward then back... you will feel the updraft and downdraft because your hand is a crude aileron)

If you tilt it too much up. the wind will rip your hand back and flip it... if you tilt too much down , it will be pulled down suddenly. In an airplane the first one would flip it over and the second put it into a dive.

As you til your aileron... the stream over the top combines with the stream on the bottom. Since the distance over the top is slightly longer, the combination forms a small vortex

As you increase the angle this turbulence increases



When a plane lands it wants to lose its lift in a hurry and the flaps are put full down to slow it from 600+ MPH to a safe landing speed.  That creates the vortex

Here is an example... pilot puts it into a stall by climbing to steep... see what happenes to the airflow (using streamers





The point that the vortex starta is not the wing tip bot the outside tip of the main aileron



In this picture you can see that 1) the vortex starts at the tip of the flaps and 2) the condensation on the front of the wing.  This ONLY happens when the air is wet... saturates like mist or fog. The change in air pressure cause by the plane condenses the water vapor into clouds


An aerodynamic contrail on a landing jet – condensation is visible above the wing surfaces, and in the center of the vortices coming from the outside ends of the deployed flaps, but nothing from the engines. This type of contrail is seen in high local humidity, as indicated here by the misty conditions.

The reason no one takes "Chemtrail Fanatics seriously, is because they refuse to learn the difference between real spry trails and natural phenomena. That make them easy targets for debunkers that will focus on the explainable ones

Its the same as UFO's not everything is a UFO and only some are Alien Spacecraft

If you have ever flown an airplane... especially a small Cesna... your LIFE depends on knowing this... literally

Vortex formation

[Sinny]

Over my house and the rest of Birmingham this morning, spotted twenty planes in 15 minutes... Very bleddy real!!

[WarToad]

Contrails really bleedy real with atmospheric conditions, chemtrails are entirely different.

[Sinny]

Contrails really bleedy real with atmospheric conditions, chemtrails are entirely different.

Bit of a non-statement there Toad..

[micjer]

Has anyone else seen trails that are black like this?

[Sinny]

Has anyone else seen trails that are black like this?

I've seen one or two.. I know they've been seen globally.

[WarToad]

Bit of a non-statement there Toad..

Not at all.  You were stating normal condensation contrails were chemtrails.

[Sinny]

Not at all.  You were stating normal condensation contrails were chemtrails.

And you know that?

I've been watching them all summer, they are NOT contrails.

Are you aware of the atmospheric conditions in Brum town today? My Photo doesn't provide that information..

[Fruitbat]

Sinny, I have a book on meteorology somewhere from when I did my piloting stuff, and the met office do a free for all service for pilots which can be accessed via t'internet* to get the prevailing and predicted meteorological conditions for our area.  * well they did last time I planned a flight, but it's been a few years now, so that might have changed. Yep It still seems to be free. http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/aviation/ga

And chemtrails being composed of heavier than steam molecules tend to have a distinctive "smeared" appearance that looks somewhat different to the practiced eye than straightforward gas turbine efflux. However, I'd imagine that there are different sorts of chemtrail, so I'd treat that as a guide rather than a rule.

FB.

[Sinny]

Cheers Fruity, you been watching the skies your self?