Holographic Planes & Blue Beam

[astr0144]

What was certainly interesting in the Various Building Images that Zorgon Posted that had been on Fire in the past, in various places around the World..... and ALL of them appeared to have remained standing..


Yet the Twin Towers both collapsed...and much of it seemed to have disintegrated.  and I think would have been one of the best advanced safer building designs around ...better than the egs "Z" posted.

Did an aluminium/alloy material made Plane crash through the WTC buildings ..assumed to be specially designed composite reinforced steel structured Concrete outer shell ...and then break through the inner steel girder supports...

At a speed of 400 MPH....

What would normally happen if a Plane hit a similar concrete structure at such speeds.

Then How quickly could Jet Fuel melt the steel in the structure.

Unlikely quick enough to melt or damage the steel to allow the plane to break through to the other side..

Not to mention the damage to the actual plane..

The Planes have  cylinder tube  like body, that  would at least buckle or bend even if it was to remain in some sort of tact... and I think the wings would have sheared off as it impacted through or into the concrete at such an impact..

Although a cylinder , if hits straight head on , like a missile can remain in tact , as it can be  quite a strong structure ..

if a cylinder was hit from the side of the tube cylinder...it would collapse in.

if it hits as a glancing blow.. we may see the cylinder buckle more.

then I am not sure how the burning fuel would effect it. but It would probably melt the Aluminium shell of the plane much quicker than the steel structure in the building.

Where would most of fuel leak from,  may be another question to consider... would it have been within the wings or engines or where ever the fuel tanks were based on the aircraft which may be more than one and in different places on the aircraft.

what part of the plane carries most of the fuel at impact.

Could the high Momentum of the fast moving plane help it break through the building ?

I would doubt it... Would its nose break through a Building as wide as it was, with so much material both in steel and concrete to get through.

And yes would the plane hit and break up at impact and fall to the outside of the building rather than remain within it..

It would be interesting to see someone do another test on a plane into a similar structure to see what would happened.

I would think that they could do relevant tests to prove it, even on much lesser weaker , cheaper just part sample structure designs  !

[ArMaP]

The 'plane' appears to enter and exit.

This defies the laws of physics as we know them.

How?

[ArMaP]

Did an aluminium/alloy material made Plane crash through the WTC buildings ..assumed to be specially designed composite reinforced steel structured Concrete outer shell ...and then break through the inner steel girder supports...

The outer shell was concrete?

Then How quickly could Jet Fuel melt the steel in the structure.

There's no need to melt the steel for it to lose part of its strength, and it will expand and bend.

Could the high Momentum of the fast moving plane help it break through the building ?

I think so, I saw many years ago some documentary in which they shot a candle through a wood board.

[Sinny]

The most common 911 meme going..
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. 

In what reality,  ArMaP, can a 767 slice through a building and remain intact,  it at least retain its nose?

So what is it?

Did the plane reappear on the other side?
Did it disintegrate upon impact?  (haha,  that's my favorite),
Or were there no planes?? Lol

Also I would like to know your actual opinion on 911. No devils advocate,  I want to know what you believe...  If you don't mind sharing. 

Also Astro,  one of the planes hit the building whilst going more than 500mph (590).  I need to go and check the facts so that I can differentiate between the strikes on the north and South Tower..

But that alone also raises many questions,  especially from trained pilots. 

[ArMaP]

In what reality,  ArMaP, can a 767 slice through a building and remain intact,  it at least retain its nose?

Intact? I never saw anyone saying that the plane exited the building intact.

I think it's possible that part of the plane exited the building, but not the nose.

Also I would like to know your actual opinion on 911. No devils advocate,  I want to know what you believe...  If you don't mind sharing.

My opinion is that we were not told the whole story about it, but I don't have any idea of what the whole story may have been. I don't think we need "exotic" explanations if "common" explanations are enough, so I do think that two planes hit the towers and probably one hit the pentagon and another fell in some field.

[astr0144]

I was referring to the WTC Buildings outer surface layer Material ..

I assumed that it would be made out of Concrete or something of a similar material.

I may be wrong but I believe many buildings are made of a Composite type Concrete ... that contains reinforcement steel bars that strengthen it more than normal.

this type of thing..





https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=reinforced+concrete&espv=2&biw=853&bih=518&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMI-dnr0MuiyAIVx7waCh1SBgEl&dpr=0.75

ArMaP

The outer shell was concrete?

I think that there have been some egs of what seemed like more solid objects being penetrated by what seem like objects that seemed softer materials or less likely to have done so.

It may depend upon certain factors in order for such things to be able to happen. like being hit at a certain speed or being shaped in a certain way to do so as some egs that come to mind.

It would require getting many more facts about the dimensions and strength of the buildings materials  on both the Building and Plane to be able to make a better assessment.

I am Not sure how thick the walls were and how many...not just the outer wall... but other walls within the building ...

also how much space was there in between the so called inner steel support structures.

If the Plane did penetrate the outer concrete layer or what ever it was made of ...be it breeze blocks, bricks or whatever..

Did the plane then manage to break through or did it hit the inner steel structure , or did it miss the inner part that appears to be a set inner square like proportional dimension relative to the outer dimension of the building width.

In a case where It may have broke thru the outer layer and missed the middle steel structures.. and not hit anything else to stop it... it then hit the wall on the other side of the building..

I would have thought the chances of it breaking the otherside was less likely as most of the energy of the collision should have been taken out by the initial impact. I would have thought.

I think so, I saw many years ago some documentary in which they shot a candle through a wood board.

[Sinny]

Intact? I never saw anyone saying that the plane exited the building intact.

I think it's possible that part of the plane exited the building, but not the nose.
My opinion is that we were not told the whole story about it, but I don't have any idea of what the whole story may have been. I don't think we need "exotic" explanations if "common" explanations are enough, so I do think that two planes hit the towers and probably one hit the pentagon and another fell in some field.

So if it's not the nose of flight 175 we can see leaving the South Tower,  what is it and why does it look like a plane nose? 

Is this another optical illusion?  Should we not believe our eyes? 

Side note: I just refreshed my memory in regards to Flight 11 and Flight 175. I'll start being more specific. 

[astr0144]

A difference in the speed of the aircraft of 200 mph or more would certainly make a difference to the impact/s.

and if one was able to do some testing of similar or almost identical events but testing the results of impacts at varying speeds.. there may be a point where such an impact may have more a chance of penetrating through the building.

It would also depend on other factors that I indicated in my previous post. Material dimensions, thickness & strengths,

Inner walls and the inner steel structures. and possible safety designs within the building. Was it designed to take such impacts for eg... or was a side impact not even considered..

The designs of the outer layer of the building structure could make a difference as to how it absorbs such a shock of an impact.


If the Cylinder with its nose of the plane did manage to break thru the initial outer wall and MISS other internal obects and other walls and the inner steel structures....

its Kiniectic (Moving )energy would certainly have been reduced..

the surface area of the wings if the remained in tact on impact.. would also help slow the plane down. as they went thru the side of the building..

it may be that the wings sheared away as it went thru the wall.

and it was then just the main cylinder of the plane that went onto further break thru the building.

I would have thought that the nose would certainly have been destroyed as that was the main part of impact.

I am not sure however what materials and components are behind it and how solid that maybe.

if say it was a solid strong steel..and nothing else.. this would have more chance of breaking thru.  but if there is space inbetween the outer layer of the nose cone and the cock pit..where the pilots are with the controls and electronics... then chances are this would break up.. and again dissipate the energy..

BUT it maybe that the design of a planes cone is a much stronger structure than we may think..I am not sure to be 100% certain.

A Tube can be a strong structure when it is compressed from its ends... like a smarty tube made of cardboard... if you place the end on a flat surface and press on it... it can take a fair force before it buckles.

if you then took a similar tube made of steel its even stronger.. and its unlikely even with your full weight on it that you will buckle it...

but a cylinder or tube has little mass to it compared to a solid bar.

The mass of the planes cylinder ...maybe too little to break thru a building....

With the force thrust of the engines behind it.. it has more force...

I am not sure what happened to the engines as it hit the building..

As it happened so fast... they probably still had a lot of effect on the impact even if the electrics shut down... the engines may have still transferred force and momentum to the aircraft..

or they may have shut down or been lost on impact and had little further effect on the penetration.

John Lear was a highly trained pilot...possibly one of the very best.
from what I am led to understand..

From what I recall reading..He did not think  it was possible to fly such aircraft at such speed at the altitude that the planes appear to fly into the buildings..

So that could be about 600 MPH at a height under a 1000 ft.

It maybe that such larger aircraft have to reach a certain height to reach such speeds..

It may also be down to air density at different altitudes in engine speed performance.

They are otherwise only at a 1000 ft during take off and landing.and I don't recall ever seeing such larger aircraft at such low altitudes flying at 500 mph or more.

He then suggested they were Holograms....

Also Astro,  one of the planes hit the building whilst going more than 500mph (590).  I need to go and check the facts so that I can differentiate between the strikes on the north and South Tower..

But that alone also raises many questions,  especially from trained pilots.

[Sinny]

Like I know the planes are not made of steel. I was reading up on the materials a few hours ago,  but the details escape the tip of my brain. 

The 'plane' should have met with the steel core at 37 ft into entry, afaik, when the plane meets the steel core we should see the plane slow up, but this does not occur. 

[astr0144]

Some other images below that may indicate the Plane breaking thru the tower. and some further info on the building and its Perimeter walls.

One suggests that the Tower face or outer walls was made of steel.

Doing a quick search I cannot seem to find much that says about the perimeter walls of the towers that relates to a concrete perimeter...

I thought that it was Concrete reinforced with steel like many a building is as far as I am aware.
.
But maybe with something that maybe steel or Aluminium outer perimeter Columns.



But this article suggest that the  walls on the outer perimeter were not reinforced concrete.. nore were the Columns in the centre core.

http://www.debunking911.com/towers.htm


This is a description of the structual design on Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_(1973%E2%80%932001)

Yamasaki's design included building facades sheathed in aluminum-alloy.


The World Trade Center towers used high-strength, load-bearing perimeter steel columns called Vierendeel trusses that were spaced closely together to form a strong, rigid wall structure, supporting virtually all lateral loads such as wind loads, and sharing the gravity load with the core columns.

The tube-frame design, earlier introduced by Fazlur Khan, was a new approach that allowed more open floor plans than the traditional design that distributed columns throughout the interior to support building loads. The World Trade Center towers used high-strength, load-bearing perimeter steel columns called Vierendeel trusses that were spaced closely together to form a strong, rigid wall structure, supporting virtually all lateral loads such as wind loads, and sharing the gravity load with the core columns. The perimeter structure containing 59 columns per side was constructed with extensive use of prefabricated modular pieces, each consisting of three columns, three stories tall, connected by spandrel plates.[49] The spandrel plates were welded to the columns to create the modular pieces off-site at the fabrication shop.

This site does refer to it having at least an inner concrete Column.

http://911review.org/WTC/concrete-core.html


Yamasaki's design for a torsion resistant core structure made from non flexible material, steel reinforced cast concrete, won a competition in strength with several others. All steel towers failed high winds because the steel perimeter columns could take the weight but were prone to flexing and the twisting.



This suggest it had a Hollow Towers Concrete Core...


DISNFO CLAIM: The Towers were Hollow and had a Concrete Core

There are a few people that claim that the towers were hollow structures, made out of concrete or were even "missing floors".

But Confirms the following...

The Core Structure Of The World Trade Center Towers Was A Steel Reinforced, Cast Concrete, Tubular Core

https://kendoc911.wordpress.com/911disinfo/disnfo-hollow-towers-concrete-core/



This is an interesting image that actually shows the inner core as the Sun shines through the building..

You can at least get an idea of how much space there is between the inner core and the outer perimeter.

and if the plane penetrated around the centre of the wall face... it seems it would have hit the inner core. It would have had to have hit the wall to one side  of the centre line by a fair distance to have missed hitting the central core... IMO.

I think the width of the building is about 208 feet.. and the width of a 757 aircrafts wing span = 120 feet.. a 767 wingspan = 160 ft

To compare to A Jumbo 747 = 200 feet.

So they would have the hit the building somewhere between the centre point of the Width of the wall and its outer side...which would be about 104 feet as a target to miss the inner core.

I believe that the dimensions of the inner core of each tower was a rectangular area 87 by 135 feet...depending which way or direction it was in relation to that of the wall faces that the aircraft hit.

if it had the shortest inner core measurement of 87 feet..

thats about 44 feet from its centre point...

As the outer wall perimiter was 104 feet from its centre point.

less another 44 feet for the centre core...

it leaves about 60 feet... as a target.... to allow the plane to miss the core...

not that much of a target...

This refers to the planes types involved.

Early on the morning of September 11, 2001, 19 hijackers took control of four commercial airliners (two Boeing 757 and two Boeing 767)

Another factor is if the plane were to have hit at a point on the building on level between two levels... ie hitting the floor/ceiling levels... depending how it hit it.... this could severely reduce the chances of it breaking through the building....

As the Whole floor or ceiling points would be very strong points within the building...that would not buckle easily.

If it broke between the floor and ceiling levels.... then it would be more of a possibility.

Another point that maybe of interest.

The length of the longest aircraft involved was between 180 to 200 feet long.... The Wings are about half way from its nose to its tail.

So the aircraft could have broke thru the building wall by 100 feet before the wings hit the building.

that's about half the width of the WTC building..where the centre core would have been hit before if the plane had broken through as was suggested.

It may actually have only been 50 to 60 feet before hitting the inner column.

Just something else one may consider.

[Sinny]

Nice work Astro, I'll return as soon as I'm home and settled. 

Boards are quiet these last few days,  I imagine the rest of the team will join us when they log in.

ArMaPs gone suspiciously quiet

[Sinny]

If the plane from 9/11 is a holograph, which I doubt, I dont understand why they would made a holograph of this (a military) type boeing 767/737?.
If I recall correctly and understand correctly thats is the case with that plane.

If they used a holograph, and the same group of persons worked with the whole 9/11 thingie, they better used a commercial type 767/737 to fit the story better.


Remote controlled... ?

Whatever it is, it seems weird to use such a holograph.
I am not that into 9/11, so I am not sure, well, my 1 eurocent on the table 

Note to self to check and cross reference this pic. 

[ArMaP]

ArMaPs gone suspiciously quiet

Unfortunately, ArMap has to work.

[ArMaP]

So if it's not the nose of flight 175 we can see leaving the South Tower,  what is it and why does it look like a plane nose?

I don't know, it could be any thing, even some thing that was inside the building and was hit by the plane, although I doubt that.

Is this another optical illusion?  Should we not believe our eyes?

"Another"? What is/are the other(s)?

[astr0144]

Thank you Sinny...

Hope that some of it may offer something that you may consider.. or it may lead to some other ideas or suggestions.

If you get time, Id be interested if you have any comments on the post that I asked about with ref to the UFOs that you observed...
and the photos and images that Sander and "D" or ArMaP had looked into.

Nice work Astro, I'll return as soon as I'm home and settled. 

As far as I am aware without doing a detailed check...

Aircraft Cylinder bodies known as the Fuselage , are made of a type of Aluminium type Alloy.. that maybe what I believe to be From large pieces of sheet metal that are Rolled.. to form its cylinder shape. and are of a few layers that are somehow bonded together...

Then they are either riveted or sealed some how to make the cylinder shape.  I maybe wrong but I don't think they weld it, unless maybe if its mixed with some other metal in the Alloy that 
that may allow it to be welded.

I think it was more the older aircraft designs that were riveted..
I suspect that they have more modern ways to do this now.

Aluminium being quite a strong non rusting or non corroding, light weight metal.  It will also be coated with something to further protect it , I would think..

I cannot say that I not really found that many images or websites that have shown any true evidence that the plane penetrated thru the building as yet..

But some of the images that I posted or that we have seen so far, do give the impression that it may have done so...

So far no one else has posted any further images or content to back it up.

One other point that I forgot to mention was the diameter of the Fuselage or Cylinder of a 767 Aircraft.. it is said to be about 16.5 feet...

Maybe if we think of it as like a  missile 16.5 feet width diameter hitting ino a 208 feet wide Building to give some idea how its size compares...

so when I suggested that if it hit to one side of the centreline of the building...and between the inner column.... It had about a 50 to 60 foot width to hit the building and have a chance of piercing thru it without hitting the column...

if it hit central to that area... it would have about 20 to 25 feet either side...I would think... or less depending upon the thickness of the building side  walls...

The 767's fuselage width was set midway between that of the 707 and the 747 at 16.5 feet (5.03 m)

Like I know the planes are not made of steel. I was reading up on the materials a few hours ago,  but the details escape the tip of my brain. 

The 'plane' should have met with the steel core at 37 ft into entry, afaik, when the plane meets the steel core we should see the plane slow up, but this does not occur.