Discovered on Mars:Toltec Face

[The Seeker]

Just picked these images from another site to share them here. Thought people here would like to give them a good looking over





Link to image: http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA17931.jpg

Flux, look at the 10 o'clock position of the red circle; appears to be another face on top of that black rock...


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[Flux]

That very well could be. Sort of laying back with it's nose pointing up wards.
That image has been played around with say the brightness or contrast so it's bringing in some artifacts but it's still in the Nasa photo.

[ArMaP]

After making my own panorama I could see that the blurred area corresponds to (at least) two photos that are slightly out of focus, photo 0528ML2087010000E1_DXXX and photo 0528ML2087011000E1_DXXX.

You can see my version of the panorama and a "colour stretched" version below (click for full size).

[Lunica]

Thanks ArMaP for those versions:)

Ok, now lets take a big stretch....   
What would be the story ? 





So, there was this plateau, some severe earthquakes in the last 25.000 years ago, and you get what we see?     

lets dig some around, and we get this?




Well, thats way to far fetched . I know 

[ArMaP]

Ok, now lets take a big stretch....   
What would be the story ? 





So, there was this plateau, some severe earthquakes in the last 25.000 years ago, and you get what we see?     

I don't think that's the result of earthquakes (marsquakes?), as an earthquake strong enough to break the ground would leave other signs. To me, everything points to water erosion, the path the rover is following looks like the result of the draining of a large amount of water, moving in the direction of the mountain in the centre of the crater.

I hope that they find more layers closer to the mountain.

[Flux]

Nice work Armap.

Interesting work Lunica. It's best to bring it to peoples attention regardless so it may spur others to commenting or finding other features

One thing I forgot to mention is there is an inscription on the face of one large rock in the middle by the blurred area. Can't circle the rock here at work but the rock is on the 3rd overlay/tile from the right side just zoom in an you'll see it on the face.

[Amaterasu]

Here's My workover.

Yellow is indicating what I think was added
Pink is areas I processed a bit
Blue is commentary/pointing out things

[ArMaP]

Blue is commentary/pointing out things

It's more green than blue, but that's OK. 

As for the comments, I know it's useless to point that, if they wanted to hide any thing, nobody would be able to notice it, but I will do it just the same.

And yes, sand made of different sized particles behaves and moves in different ways, you can even see that on a beach.

[Amaterasu]

It's more green than blue, but that's OK. 

As for the comments, I know it's useless to point that, if they wanted to hide any thing, nobody would be able to notice it, but I will do it just the same.

And if They wanted to create controversy, They would add flaws.  Divide & conquer.

And yes, sand made of different sized particles behaves and moves in different ways, you can even see that on a beach.

Agreed, ArMaP, but the edges here are classic pasteover and too straight.  There are other areas I did not address which look like smudge tool, cloning, blurring, and other Photoshop tools.

Also consider that the intelligence They credit Us with is extremely low.  "Meh.  No One will notice, and I have a bazillion more of these to do..."

I say the front of the image is shopped in.

[ArMaP]

Also consider that the intelligence They credit Us with is extremely low.

How do you know that?

"Meh.  No One will notice, and I have a bazillion more of these to do..."

Does that mean that nobody checks the result? Do you really believe that?

I say the front of the image is shopped in.

Everything in that panorama is edited, if you look at the original photos, at the photos from the different cameras, at the photos of all the different Sols from all those cameras, you would see that things have always looked like that in all photos from all cameras in all the Sols it appears in.

PS: The fact that you know that some things can be done in Photoshop doesn't mean that they do it.

[Amaterasu]

How do you know that?

LOL!  Well, ArMaP, I ponder things like Sandy Hook that are VERY sloppy and I have to think one of two things is at play here:  They WANT to be caught, OR...  They think enough of Us are stupid enough to buy what They sell.

More divide & conquer?  You bet.  But I will also guess that They bank (literally and figuratively) on the expectation that enough of Us are not thinking enough to see the issues - either by refusal to investigate or refusal to believe.

[shrug]  That is what the data I have collected suggest is the highest probability.  By a very good margin.  Believe as Your data have shown You.  If You see a conflict in Our data, show Me Yours.

Does that mean that nobody checks the result? Do you really believe that?

How did You get from not caring about all the details in the images (doing it "close enough for government work," as My dad always said) to the idea that no One checks the details?  Or, I guess, that I was saying that no One would check.  A shill tactic, love, best avoided. 

Obviously, ArMaP, We ARE checking the details.  We are also marginalized, or haven't You noticed?  It's not that no One will check results, but They are cocksure that They can control the information.  "Those whacky 'life on [fill in Your favorite glob of matter big enough to support life]' folks.  What a bunch of kooks!  Don't spend Your valuable time looking and reading!  Here's something much more important:  Justin Bieber is arrested for drunk driving!"

Everything in that panorama is edited, if you look at the original photos, at the photos from the different cameras, at the photos of all the different Sols from all those cameras, you would see that things have always looked like that in all photos from all cameras in all the Sols it appears in.

ArMaP, do You really need Me to spell this out?  Really?  Ok.  The areas I indicated were deliberately covered up with additions from, likely, another set of pics of some other place.  I have looked at a lot of these panoramas and know what to expect.  I am not saying that the front could not represent something One might expect in any of the pictures They have collected, but that They likely took a different set to make that to cover what's really there.

PS: The fact that you know that some things can be done in Photoshop doesn't mean that they do it.

No, but the finding of the artifacts that I do not see in unretouched photographs that are common on PS work, lends very high probability to the possibility that They DO.  [smile] 

[ArMaP]

LOL!  Well, ArMaP, I ponder things like Sandy Hook that are VERY sloppy and I have to think one of two things is at play here:  They WANT to be caught, OR...  They think enough of Us are stupid enough to buy what They sell.

Or people think that they are smarter than they are.

How did You get from not caring about all the details in the images (doing it "close enough for government work," as My dad always said) to the idea that no One checks the details?  Or, I guess, that I was saying that no One would check.  A shill tactic, love, best avoided.

If someone is doing a work before something is published, doesn't that work get checked after being done? If you were in charge of the people making the changes would you ignore your work and let things pass (while the people doing the work made a bad job of it) without checking?

In the company where I work we did, some years ago, several scanning jobs, and the people that were doing the scanning verified the resulting images, but those images were checked by other people to see if everything was as it should be, as we had some quality rules to follow. Why any "evidence hiding" done by the all-powerful PTB would ignore that basic rule?

Obviously, ArMaP, We ARE checking the details.

That's not what I was talking about, see above.

We are also marginalized, or haven't You noticed?

I see more self marginalizing than anything else.

The areas I indicated were deliberately covered up with additions from, likely, another set of pics of some other place.  I have looked at a lot of these panoramas and know what to expect.

I have been looking at these photos for a long time and I have been making some panoramas myself, I know what to expect, I know how things are done and I can make them.

I am not saying that the front could not represent something One might expect in any of the pictures They have collected, but that They likely took a different set to make that to cover what's really there.

For that to work they would have needed to change all the photos from all the cameras from all the different Sols that show any of the altered areas, so they matched from camera to camera, from Sol to Sol, from point of view to point of view.

No, but the finding of the artifacts that I do not see in unretouched photographs that are common on PS work, lends very high probability to the possibility that They DO.  [smile]

Sorry, I don't understand the underlined part.

[Amaterasu]

If someone is doing a work before something is published, doesn't that work get checked after being done? If you were in charge of the people making the changes would you ignore your work and let things pass (while the people doing the work made a bad job of it) without checking?

Do You really think that the People in charge have the time to go over the images with the scrutiny We give them?  Or do You think that They give them once-overs, to see that all obvious stuff is removed?  I'm betting on the latter.

In the company where I work we did, some years ago, several scanning jobs, and the people that were doing the scanning verified the resulting images, but those images were checked by other people to see if everything was as it should be, as we had some quality rules to follow. Why any "evidence hiding" done by the all-powerful PTB would ignore that basic rule?

I'm sure They do check - and often have judgment calls - "Can We pass that off as natural?"  But in a place that has money riding on good work, versus a place that is trying to deceive, the standards are different.  The deceivers are only motivated to produce "good enough," as opposed to excellence.

I see more self marginalizing than anything else.

[scratching head]  Ok.  [shrug]

I have been looking at these photos for a long time and I have been making some panoramas myself, I know what to expect, I know how things are done and I can make them.

Fair enough.

For that to work they would have needed to change all the photos from all the cameras from all the different Sols that show any of the altered areas, so they matched from camera to camera, from Sol to Sol, from point of view to point of view.

And I say that if They have a series of pics from another place but done at the same times, same direction, that suited the coverup need, it wouldn't be that difficult to use a construct from them.  Bet if I had the original images in both such sets, I could hand them back such that a composite panorama could be made.  But also, I could create a cover made from one panorama and apply it to the other, if the originals were not available publicly. 

The "matching" is less important in the uninterrupted sand, anyway. 

Sorry, I don't understand the underlined part.

Rephrase:  That I am finding PS artifacts, things I do not see in unretouched photos, gives the high probability that They do tamper with images.

[ArMaP]

Do You really think that the People in charge have the time to go over the images with the scrutiny We give them?  Or do You think that They give them once-overs, to see that all obvious stuff is removed?  I'm betting on the latter.

I suppose it depends on their honesty: if they are there for doing some kind of job they should do it the best they can. At least that's how I do it.

And I say that if They have a series of pics from another place but done at the same times, same direction, that suited the coverup need, it wouldn't be that difficult to use a construct from them.

That's a big "if".

Rephrase:  That I am finding PS artifacts, things I do not see in unretouched photos, gives the high probability that They do tamper with images.

Thanks, that I understand.

I understand but I disagree, what PS artefacts did you find?

[Flux]

Couple of things I've come across while looking over the photo:

The rock that has some kind of inscription on it.


A shell? Looks a bit out of place where it sits.



And a fossilized hand sock puppet or some ET's arm?