Discovered on Mars:Toltec Face

[Amaterasu]

I suppose it depends on their honesty: if they are there for doing some kind of job they should do it the best they can. At least that's how I do it.

In a situation where the job is hiding things, I can hardly expect Them to be interested in "doing the best."  They do "good enough."  And the People in charge do not have the time to look with the scrutiny that Their underlings are giving the images.  If They have 10 underlings scrutinizing the images, and each does 10 pics a day, the One in charge would have to look at 100 images a day.  No way They can do that and expect to have time to do anything else - including eating, sleeping, and handling Mother Nature.

Yes, ArMaP, in a world run on personal integrity (like TAP), doing the BEST job is expected.  In a world run on planned obsolescence and deceit, "good enough" is all the effort We can expect.

That's a big "if".

Given that all They have to do is match shadowing, not so big.  If They have an image taken with the sun in opposite position, They can reverse the images to match the shadows...  I'm saying They have millions of photos to choose from.  Why such a big "if?"

I understand but I disagree, what PS artefacts did you find?

In the image below:  look at the edge of the sand area.  See how it's not sharp but has a fuzzy and consistently so edge?  Artifact.  Compare it to the edge in the lower right where the sand changes angles.  Not fuzzy at all.  This I never see in unretouched photos.

Also, the grains there are big.  Suddenly, it jumps to much finer sand.  Though You say that it can be explained by "types of sand," I say not. 

[ArMaP]

A shell? Looks a bit out of place where it sits.

To me it looks like the same kind of rock as the one on the top right, only with a different shape.

[ArMaP]

Yes, ArMaP, in a world run on personal integrity (like TAP), doing the BEST job is expected.  In a world run on planned obsolescence and deceit, "good enough" is all the effort We can expect.

I don't work that way.

Given that all They have to do is match shadowing, not so big.

Match shadows, lights and perspective (something that I have noticed most people do not understand), for (I think) 6 different cameras. It's a big if.

In the image below:  look at the edge of the sand area.

Which one?

See how it's not sharp but has a fuzzy and consistently so edge?

If I know which one you are talking about, maybe.

Also, the grains there are big.  Suddenly, it jumps to much finer sand.  Though You say that it can be explained by "types of sand," I say not.

That's interesting, what kind of experience do you have with sand?

[WarToad]

In the image below:  look at the edge of the sand area.  See how it's not sharp but has a fuzzy and consistently so edge?  Artifact.  Compare it to the edge in the lower right where the sand changes angles.  Not fuzzy at all.  This I never see in unretouched photos.

Also, the grains there are big.  Suddenly, it jumps to much finer sand.  Though You say that it can be explained by "types of sand," I say not. 

No artifiact, it's wind effect on sand.  The fine sand is lightest and blown off until it drops behind a ridge and the wind strength can't hold it any longer and it accumulates on that side of the ridge.  You'll end up with the exposed ridge side having larger heavier grains, and the protected wind side with lighter smaller finer windblown grains.  The pictures you have provide an excellent example of that.  Mother Nature at work.

The closer ridge which you say is not fuzzy - it's in better focus.  The further ridge you say is fuzzy - look at it compaired to the closer ridge - it's less in focus in regards to everything.

[Flux]

To me it looks like the same kind of rock as the one on the top right, only with a different shape.

Yeah possible it is. I do see a little trail behind the shell/rock that looks like it's been sliding down the hill (more the flat bit of rock it sits on is sliding).

Also how about that sock puppet? May have been it's last performance?

[Amaterasu]

I don't work that way.

So?  We are not discussing You.  We are discussing guys whose job it is to crank through many images and hide evidence of life off planet.  The way You work is irrelevant.

Match shadows, lights and perspective (something that I have noticed most people do not understand), for (I think) 6 different cameras. It's a big if.

I understand.  I say I could find this suitable sand bar thingy and use it to cover info in another set of images.

Which one?

I posted an image with a yellow line along the edge where the sand was added.  Refer to that one.

If I know which one you are talking about, maybe.

See above.

That's interesting, what kind of experience do you have with sand?

About as much as with any other photo.

[ArMaP]

The way You work is irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant to me, as I cannot know how someone that doesn't think like me can act.

I posted an image with a yellow line along the edge where the sand was added.  Refer to that one.

Thanks, I will.

About as much as with any other photo.

I was talking about sand in real life, as in sand in you hands, under you feet, etc.

Edit: I looked at the image with the yellow lines and don't understand what I should look at, is it the edge that was covered with the yellow line, the "border" between the finer and the coarser sand?

[Flux]

Ok I've been reading about different sands etc and how they can be affected by winds etc so I grabbed some random Mars photos and placed them on here.

This photo shows larger type sand grains close to the camera and then there are a lot finer sand gains further back so I gather the rocks up front have stopped the 'flow' of the larger grains traveling back? Flow meaning 'winds' affecting the sand.


Regarding the discussion of some odd ball stuff in the original Nasa photo I grabbed another random image to run by the members on here. In this image there are some stones in the top of the photo and a bit in from the left with odd shadows. The other odd bit is the gray flat looking rock right side above half way up the photo. Sorry can't mark it at work at the moment. Possible other parts of the photo have some odd bits but don't have time at the moment to go over it.

[ArMaP]

This photo shows larger type sand grains close to the camera and then there are a lot finer sand gains further back so I gather the rocks up front have stopped the 'flow' of the larger grains traveling back? Flow meaning 'winds' affecting the sand.

I think it's the opposite, the rocks trap the finer sand that is blown by the wind, while the areas without rock lose that finer sand, taken by the wind.

My opinion is influenced by the way the finer sand appears to be "arranged" around the rocks.

As for the odd shadows, I don't understand what you are referring to.

[Amaterasu]

It's not irrelevant to me, as I cannot know how someone that doesn't think like me can act.

Not good at putting Yourself into Others' shoes, eh?  That may explain a thing or two.  Thankfully, that is one of My talents.

I was talking about sand in real life, as in sand in you hands, under you feet, etc.

I grew up on the beaches of San Diego, and lived in the desert sands of Las Vegas for nearly a decade.  Does that count?

Edit: I looked at the image with the yellow lines and don't understand what I should look at, is it the edge that was covered with the yellow line, the "border" between the finer and the coarser sand?

Yup. 

[Flux]

I think it's the opposite, the rocks trap the finer sand that is blown by the wind, while the areas without rock lose that finer sand, taken by the wind.

My opinion is influenced by the way the finer sand appears to be "arranged" around the rocks.

As for the odd shadows, I don't understand what you are referring to.

Can you mark out the 'arranged' areas of sand Armap because I'm trying to wrap my brain around all this for better understanding.

Odd shadows under the 2 rocks left side just under the horizon line I think that points it out a bit better than my last attempt (damn being stuck at work

[deuem]

Flux, On the blow up of the rock photo above, if you let your mind wander and stare at it like a goat a different picture comes out. it looks like some type of Mars Bunny with a dogs face. The rock is hair and you can see a big ear on the right and the left is flopped down, The eyes are there and then a dogs nose coming to 2 nostrels in black. Looks all cozy balled up sitting in the sun getting warm.

Most heavy sand that I know of has been pushed to where it is and not blown. Unless there is a very strong wind the sand usually sits on or near the ground and gets broomed along till it hits something and piles up. I have even been in several real sand storm and the stuff that is whipping around is not the stuff that is on the ground but the lighter stuff that is light enough to get caught in the wind.

The real heavy sand, like construction sand is very difficult to get in the air and keep it there. With the atmosphere on Mars being so light I would expect only the fine powered sand to achieve flight. So any river bed would be stripped of the fine particals over time and show the heavy ones. The hills should be covered by dust sand or powder sand. I would think that without water tumbling rocks the process of making sand there has almost stoped compared to Earth.

As I see it both sand and dirt are items that are made by a live planet. Water and worms doing their jobs. They are not natural to the planet when it was formed into molten rock. How rock powder such as is on the moon is still a question for me compared to Mars or Earth.
Deuem

[Flux]

Thanks Deuem for explaining this in great detail but.... how about my sock puppet?

Ok so getting back to the subject the heavier sand (in the first image) closest to the screen has been pushed toward the larger rocks causing them to sort 'bank' up along that 'edge' we see in the photo while smaller air born sand 'flows' into the back ground.

Yah!

[deuem]

I like the Sock Puppet and I have studied it a bit. It does look like an arm that has broken off or maybe pealed off. It looks like the shoulder section is in the air and I am looking for a means of supporting it in the air, hence the pealed section must be underground. That's a first take.

Deuem

[Flux]

Poor sock. Must been a failed mission.

I'm now looking more at the larger arranged sands around the rocks closest to the screen seeing and studying how they are formed around the rocks.