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[COSMO]

Hi Astro,

They are described as a reproduction of alien technology. 

But here's what I see.  A combination of Tesla, Tesla Effect(coil), Faraday(rotating disc) and TT Brown(capacitor plates).



It may be that what this diagram shows is not alien technology, but a combination of very earthly developments.  I do think, and the Hawk agrees, that the physics is right!



Cosmo
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[astr0144]

Hi Cosmo,

I very much appreciate your briefed down views based up research..
You seem one of the more experts on this topic who have been keen to look into this...

If it is purely manmade with no ET technology....that would seem quite an achievement for mankind if it works as we may envision, as what we may think of as a Flying Saucer...and anti gravity type abilities....

But here's what I see.  A combination of Tesla, Tesla Effect(coil), Faraday(rotating disc) and TT Brown(capacitor plates).



It may be that what this diagram shows is not alien technology, but a combination of very earthly developments.  I do think, and the Hawk agrees, that the physics is right!

[COSMO]

Hi astro,
Yes it would be a great achievement and I think the knowledge may have been around for a long time. 

In the video link in my previous post, Gordon and Jack Sarfatti are talking about project RAM and the team Gordon has assembled. 
When discussing the physics of the craft, they say that the physics is correct and that the "hawk" agrees. 
If that is a member of the Aviary, then that could be Ernie Kellerstrauss, who worked at Wright Patterson AFB in Ohio. 

The AVIARY:

BLUE JAY: Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green, MD, Ph.D; Chief, Biomedical Sciences Department, General Motors, former head of the CIA's UFO files at the "Weird Desk."
SEA GULL: Bruce Maccabee, Ph.D., research scientist in optical physics and laser weapons applications at the U.S. Naval Surface Weapons Lab, Maryland; MUFON physics/photo-interpretive consultant.
PELICAN: Ron Pandolfi, CIA Deputy Director for the Division of Science and Technology and current custodian of UFO files at the "Weird Desk"; may be involved in the White House initiative to promptly release UFO information to the public.
OWL: Hal Puthoff, physicist with the Institute for Advanced Research in Austin, Texas, who specializes in Zero-Point Energy, a quantum/resonance physics phenomenon with reported potential for above-unity ("free") energy.
PENGUIN: John Alexander, Ph.D, Lt. Col. U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command Col.
HAWK: Ernie Kellerstrauss, security cleared for UFO information; worked at Wright-Patterson AFB in the 1970s and reportedly lived with an extraterrestrial for a while.
CHICKADEE: Cmdr. C.B. Scott Jones, Ph.D., USN (Ret.), former officer with the Office of Naval intelligence and other agencies; 30 years service in U.S. intelligence overseas; involved in government research and development projects for the Defense Nuclear Agency, Defense Intelligence Agency, Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, and other organizations; former aide to Sen. Clairborne Pell, who had had a long-standing interest in UFOs and the paranormal.
CONDOR: Capt. Bob Collins, USAF (Ret.); Special Agent, Air Force Office of Special Investigations, engaged in UFO-related intelligence operations, reportedly appeared clandestinely on the 1988 television program "UFO Cover-Up Live"
FALCON: Many have fingered Sgt. Richard "Dick" Doty, USAF (Ret.); Special Agent, Air Force Office of Special Investigations; reported to have engaged in UFO disinformation projects, including reportedly hoaxing TV producer Linda Howe concerning availability of a tape showing a UFO landing at Holloman Air Force Base, N.M. and allegedly waging psychological warfare on Albuquerque defense electronic contractor Paul Bennewitz. The actual Falcon was a DIA agent with a Slavic name who died in 2001. Only Bill Moore and Greg Bishop know who this person is as far as we know.
SPARROW: Richard Doty
RAVEN: (Identity not yet determined – actually may be two different ones.) One raven may have been Dale Graff (Raven) - Performed contract oversight for the DIA at Wright Patterson AFB. Most recently, Graff was the chief of the DIA's Defense Technology/Special department. Second RAVEN appears to be a kingpin. Jamie Shandera dealt with him.
PARTRIDGE?: Jacques Vallee, Ph.D., formerly an astrophysicist with GEPAN, the French Government's UFO investigative agency, later moved to U.S. as principal investigator with Defense Department computer network projects; worked with famed astronomer Dr. J. Allen Hynek author on UFO subject.
Jack Vorona (bird name unknown) - Vorona was apparently the most covert of all the Birds. He was believed to have been a liaison between Capitol Hill and Los Alamos. Was once involved in Project Sleeping Beauty, an attempt to disable enemy troops using electromagnetic radiation.
CHICKEN LITTLE: Dan Smith, civilian UFO research/volunteer liaison with Ronald Pandolfi.

Cosmo

[astr0144]

Thank you for explaining...I watched the video but had been unsure who Hawk was until he was mentioned at the end of it...

Interesting that that team is named after Birds as the Aviary ! 

Hi astro,
Yes it would be a great achievement and I think the knowledge may have been around for a long time. 

In the video link in my previous post, Gordon and Jack Sarfatti are talking about project RAM and the team Gordon has assembled. 
When discussing the physics of the craft, they say that the physics is correct and that the "hawk" agrees. 
If that is a member of the Aviary, then that could be Ernie Kellerstrauss, who worked at Wright Patterson AFB in Ohio. 

[COSMO]

Thank you for explaining...I watched the video but had been unsure who Hawk was until he was mentioned at the end of it...

Interesting that that team is named after Birds as the Aviary ! 

Yes, interesting that there seems to be a connection with that flock.  If we connect the dots, from Gordon Novel, the Aviary, Project Ram and the Flux Liner, that would seem to indicate that the Aviary may be involved in Gordon's RAM project.  It is an impressive list and in the video he said that his team consisted of some people of significance.  I would guess that they have assembled a team that consists of the experts in areas of technology displayed in the flux liner.  Tesla, Brown, Faraday, (Farnsworth?), high voltage physics...

Cosmo

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

      BUMP                and still reading    gold for both of you
The unipolar inductor eh? looks just like a (forgot the name) diagram of a hf vertical antenna, or a microphone field pattern for that matter.
Sorry i will catch up one day LOL then you may gather the fruits of my (recently celebrated) 50 seasons experience on Sol 3   
Short answer; back engineered ET tech, or we simply discovered it ourselves, we have forgotten far more than we have learned including nukes etc, i am sure of that.....
Carry on, Team Peggy

[COSMO]

Here is something from Mark McCandlish's testimony about a guy named Mark Stambaugh and his electrogravitic work:

Well, it all started coming together when I was working at IntroVision, and John Eppolito talked about this interview that he had done with a person who had, for some reason, wound up walking up to, or near a hangar at a section of a military Air Force base. [He] had seen a flying saucer in a hangar, and then he was arrested — hauled off, blindfolded, and debriefed — this sort of thing. Then I learned that this fellow, Mark Stambough, had developed an experiment that created a kind of levitation. In some circles it's been called electrogravitic levitation, or antigravity.

What he did, apparently, was acquire a high voltage power source — a DC (direct current) power source, and he took a couple of quarter-inch-thick copper plates about a foot in diameter, with a lead coming out of the middle of each one at the top and the bottom. [Then], he basically embedded them in a type of plastic resin like polycarbonate or Plexiglas, or some other kind of clear resin where you could see the plates, and you could see the material. Apparently, he did everything he could to get all the little air bubbles and stuff out of there, so there wouldn't be any pathways for the electricity to break down the material and arc through them. The experiment was to see how much voltage you could put on this capacitor — the sub-plate capacitor — in this arrangement; how much voltage could you put on this thing before the insulating material begins to just break down?

Well, he got up to about a million volts, and the thing would begin to float, and it floated in accordance with principles that had been described in a patent that was filed back in the late 1950s/early 1960s by a gentleman called Thomas Townsend Brown. Brown and another individual by the name of Dr. Biefield had done this, so this effect became known as the Biefield-Brown effect. Well, [Stambough] apparently duplicated the experiments done by Biefield and Brown, [and] the one aspect they found about this arrangement was that the levitation or movement would occur in the direction of the positively-charged plate. So, if you had two plates, one is negative, and one is positive because of the direct current system. If you have the positive plate on top, it would move in that direction. If you had it on a pendulum, it would always swing in whatever direction the positive plate was facing.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/disclosure/briefing/disclosure14.htm

A DARK FLEET IN BLACK SPACE
PART II

Also missing were lab bench test results of an experimenter named Mark Stambaugh at the University of Arizona who, evidently being inspired by a report of a saucer that was flying out of Edwards AFB, decided to duplicate the propulsion technology and, after a little experimental effort, found that by using very heavy copper plates that were immersed in a transparent polycarbonate and using very high voltage of around a million volts that his bench prototype suddenly lifted up into the air. These results would seem unlikely to be a corona effect of sharp points and wires as the copper plates, surrounded by clear dielectric, seem unlikely to be generating enough ion wind to conceivably be the cause of the levitation.

However, those who seem to monitor public efforts noticed something about the cause of the levitation that caught their attention as unknown parties who claimed that, under the national security act of 1947, they had the right to confiscate this prototype device, which subsequently disappeared. This is of considerable interest for a device generating life via "ion wind."

In addition this experimenter was warned not to inventany more devices generating such "ion wind."

http://www.antigravity.it/18032009.htm

"warned not to inventany more devices generating such "ion wind"

Ion wind must be dangerous!   

This does sound like the configuration in the flux liner.  Using copper plates is a different twist on Brown's electrogravitic work. 

Cosmo

[robomont]

I'm still trying to get this thread built so be patient and get your yt downloader ready.the movie I just saw is the best documentary ever.it just came out and it is 100% the bomb.I know I'm prone to exageration,but I guarantee this is it.so now to post the link or you can go to GLP and look about 2/3 down the page and find a thread w alien video.this is it guys.its very similar to my theories only its the real deal description.the flux liner is real.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[robomont]

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2599060/pg1

[robomont]

[robomont]

I hope this makes up for me being a prick.

[Sinny]

Makes you more of a dick for me Robo, I canny access both those things! Lol

I'm only kiddin on, can I nudge you for a description?

[robomont]

[robomont]

a hour and a half detailed history and detailed engineering of the flux liner.a FTL space ship.mostly narrated by a contract military hardware artist.a lot of the parts have been seen but this guy puts it all together into a comprehensible order.only one thing I disagree with is their use of zero point energy term.its just tapping into charge and magnetism of the atoms of space.its all there and I'm sure you will like it.
oh and to make it spooky,the guy who produced it died right after completion.

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