Malaysia flight 370 Where is it?

[spacemaverick]

I don't like that list of facts, it looks like it was made to distract from something else, as it points to things that were already said by the media and to some that are irrelevant or presented in a deceiving way, like:The fact that the black box wasn't detected doesn't mean that it was not transmmiting somewhere else.

And:If it vanished from the radar, how can they know if it physically vanished? Is that the only way of vanishing from radar?

On the first part I believe you are correct.  On the second part all a pilot has to do is go to a low altitude with escape and evasion tactics and if the pilot is not within range of radar or past the curvature of the earth...the radar may not pick him or her up on the screen.  However there are geostationary spy satellites covering the area and maybe that's why certain countries have not brought forth there COMPLETE INFORMATION REGARDING IN THE AREA OF THE Indian Ocean.  My humble opinion.  Maybe I'm missing something?  I like the way you think ARMAP.  That's how we find out more is by people asking questions and making others think!

[sky otter]

ah yet another twist in this twisted tale


http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/missing-malaysian-jet-movie-vanishing-act-promoted-cannes-n108061


Missing Malaysian Jet Movie 'The Vanishing Act' Promoted at Cannes

It's not a Hollywood production, but a movie about the Malaysian plane tragedy is in the works and should be in theaters by fall.

Rupesh Paul Productions is promoting "The Vanishing Act" among buyers at the Cannes Film Festival. A poster for it promises to tell "the untold story" of the missing plane, but in an interview Friday, the associate director of the movie, Sritama Dutta, said the only similarities between the thriller and the real-life disaster is that a plane is missing.

"It has got no similarities," said Dutta, adding there have been so many developments with the actual case that it wouldn't be practical to try to mirror it. "We cannot keep up with the true facts, it's changing every day."

Dutta said Indian director Rupesh Paul will film the movie and a multiethnic cast for it could be revealed before Cannes ends May 25. Paul hopes to shoot the film in India and the United States and plans a worldwide release in September.

Authorities still have not been able to locate Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, which was carrying 239 people from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on March 8 when it went missing. The search for the plane has made headlines worldwide.


— The Associated Press

First published May 17 2014, 11:49 AM

[spacemaverick]

Okay, I am going to go way out on a limb here and I very well may be completely off base but hearing this news makes me wonder.  Remember flight 370 was leaving Malaysian control and coming under the control of Vietnamese controllers when the flight went off the air?  Remember an oil rig worker that said he saw something on fire coming out of the sky and this was near to Vietnam?   Remember a good number of Chinese people were on that aircraft?   Take a look at this news and wonder if someone may be hiding something here:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/18/world/asia/vietnam-china-tensions/

China evacuates thousands of citizens from Vietnam after deadly attacks
 

By Jethro Mullen, CNN

updated 1:13 AM EDT, Sun May 18, 2014

Hong Kong (CNN) -- China has evacuated more than 3,000 of its citizens from Vietnam and is sending ships to retrieve more of them after deadly anti-Chinese violence erupted last week over a territorial dispute between the two countries.

Five Chinese ships will travel to Vietnam to help with the evacuation, the official Chinese news agency Xinhua reported Sunday, citing the Ministry of Transport. One of the ships has already set off from the southern island province of Hainan, the ministry said.

Sixteen critically injured Chinese citizens were flown out of Vietnam on Sunday morning on a chartered medical plane organized by Chinese authorities, Xinhua said.

Two Chinese workers were killed and more than 100 others were injured in the violence that hit parts of Vietnam last week, according to the news agency. Some of the worst violence appeared to have taken place in the central coastal province of Ha Tinh.

Foreign factories, particularly those run by companies from China and Taiwan, were burned and looted by rioters outraged over Beijing's decision to send an oil rig into waters of the South China Sea that both countries claim as sovereign territory.

Read the rest at the above link....maybe this might be a clue......maybe it was shot down by the Vietnamese and the flight 370 went down.  Look at the number of ships in the area of dispute that are from China at the link to the story.  Remember the fast mover we saw on the flight tracker radar moving away from the area.  Remember the zig zag movement near the end of 370's flight where it disappeared?  Zig zag as if maybe trying to get away from something..typical evasive maneuver.  Like I said maybe I'm reaching but........

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/18/world/asia/vietnam-china-tensions/

[spacemaverick]

At this point unless the aircraft is found, this thread has reached a standstill.  I will keep my ear to the Internet to see if anything comes up.

[WarToad]

The current China/Vietnam tension is from China planting an oil rig in Vietnam's 200m economic zone and territorial waters.(Without permission)  Vietnam cried foul, China sent a fleet of military ships to protect the rig, Vietnamese are pissed off and taking to the streets.  China is trying to make a LOT of "land grabs" in the SE oceans right now and nations need to stand up and push back.

[sky otter]

well china isn't lookin too good right now  and since they were supposed to have new tech
with those on board...you have to wonder what is really going on behind the scenes..because we never hear about this stuff till long after
they started this in 2006..and we are only just now getting some of the info
i don't think we who are alive right now will know what happened to that plane uless it works to some ones advantage to tell us




http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-to-announce-first-criminal-charges-against-foreign-country-for-cyberspying/2014/05/19/586c9992-df45-11e3-810f-764fe508b82d_story.html


Chinese military unit charged with cyber-espionage against U.S. firms

By Ellen Nakashima and William Wan, Updated: Monday, May 19, 8:11 PM

The Justice Department has indicted five members of the Chinese military on charges of hacking into computers and stealing valuable trade secrets

from leading steel, nuclear plant and solar power firms, marking the first time that the United States has leveled such criminal charges against a foreign country
The landmark case paves the way for more indictments and demonstrates that the United States is serious about holding foreign governments accountable for crimes committed in cyberspace, officials said at a news conference Monday.

The Obama administration "will not tolerate actions by any nation that seeks to illegally sabotage American companies and undermine the integrity of fair competition in the operation of the free market," Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said.

The decision to confront China grew out of a White House strategy formulated two years ago to impose increasing costs on Beijing if it didn't respond to requests to stop its widespread hacking for commercial advantage. The indictment is intended to address what President Obama and senior intelligence officials have called one of the top threats to national and economic security, with an estimated annual cost to the U.S. economy that ranges from the tens of billions of dollars to more than $100 billion.

The criminal charges provoked a response from Beijing, which announced Monday that it was suspending high-level cyber talks with the United States that began in June.

Given the lack of sincerity by the United States for cooperation to solve cyber security problems through dialogue, China has decided to suspend the activities of the Sino-US Cyber Working Group," Foreign Ministry Spokesman Qin Gang said in a statement.

The charges are "purely ungrounded and absurd," Qin said. He added that the United States had "fabricated facts" in the indictment, which he said "seriously violates basic norms of international relations and damages Sino-U.S. cooperation and mutual trust."

The leaks from former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden already had complicated the talks. Beijing has pointed to disclosures by Snowden of vast NSA surveillance activities — including spying on Chinese companies — to assert that the United States is the greater aggressor in the area.

State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said, "We regret China's decisions." But she added that she does not think the development will affect strategic and economic dialogue meetings with China, scheduled for early July.

The indictment, which was filed May 1, charges five officials in the People's Liberation Army (PLA) — hackers with handles such as UglyGorilla and KandyGoo — with computer fraud, conspiracy to commit computer fraud, damaging a computer, aggravated identity theft and economic espionage.

China has no extradition treaty with the United States and none of the suspects is likely to see an American courtroom. Nonetheless, Holder said he hopes Beijing will "respect our criminal justice system and let justice take its course."

The indictment is the result of years of work, officials said, in which investigators followed a complex trail of computer bits to one building in one Chinese city.

That nondescript 12-story building in the Pudong New Area of Shanghai is home to Unit 61398 — part of the PLA and identified by researchers as one of the most prolific hacking crews targeting Western companies' trade secrets and intellectual property.

The 56-page indictment describes the hacking of five companies and a trade union. All but one are located in the Western District of Pennsylvania, where the charges were brought.

The companies — which include U.S. Steel, the country's largest steel maker, and Alcoa, the largest aluminum manufacturer — agreed to come forward, bucking what for years had been a reluctance by many firms to acknowledge that they had been hacked for fear of shareholder lawsuits and damage to reputation.

"There has come a point at which enough is enough," said David Hickton, U.S. attorney for the Western District of Pennsylvania. "The companies are tired of being raided."

The other companies are Westinghouse Electric, which builds nuclear power plants; Allegheny Technologies, a metals manufacturer; and SolarWorld, which makes solar products in Hillsboro, Ore. Also hit was the United Steelworkers union, which opposes Chinese trade practices.

The indictment alleges that the hackers stole trade secrets that would have been particularly beneficial to Chinese companies. PLA member Wen Xinyu — also known as "WinXYHappy" — hacked SolarWorld's computers and stole thousands of files containing cost and pricing information, prosecutors allege. Hackers took detailed production information that could help a competitor shorten its research and development timeline.

The American company rapidly lost market share to Chinese competitors that were accused of systematically pricing exports well below production costs.

After a complaint from SolarWorld, the Commerce Department and the U.S. International Trade Commission found that China had "dumped" solar products in the U.S. market.

In another case, defendant Wang Dong — or UglyGorilla — gained access to a U.S. Steel computer, which allowed him to steal descriptions for more than 1,700 other company computers and worm his way into vulnerable machines. He gained access after fellow PLA hacker Sun Kailiang, also known as Jack Sun, sent spear-phishing e-mails to employees, including one purporting to be from the firm's chief executive. The e-mails contained malware that, when clicked on, surreptitiously loaded onto employees' computers and allowed back-door access.

John Carlin, the assistant attorney general for national security, said the Chinese have long challenged U.S. officials to provide hard evidence of their data theft that could stand up in court. "Well today, we are," he said. "For the first time, we are exposing the faces and names behind the keyboards in Shanghai used to steal from American businesses."

Although the indictment does not name the state-owned enterprises that may have benefited from the espionage, according to open source literature, they are State Nuclear Power Technology, the Baosteel Group and the Aluminum Corporation of China, which is commonly known as Chinalco.

James Lewis, a cyber policy expert with the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said China's withdrawal from the talks was "childish" and a mistake. "If you want to get the United States to do something different, you don't say, 'I'm not going to talk to you,' " he said.

Lewis said he thinks that China will find ways to retaliate, but that it cannot go too far. "Their economy is weaker than ours now," he said. "Now is not the time for the Chinese to go full-bore in retaliation."

Dmitri Alperovitch, co-founder of CrowdStrike cybersecurity firm, said the indictments will send a signal to U.S. companies that have thought that the government could not do anything to hold state-sponsored hackers accountable. "Now they can look at these indictments and say, 'Hey, if I want these people to be punished, the U.S. government is willing to step up and do it,' " he said. "That's a very important message."



Wan reported from Beijing. William Branigin and Karen DeYoung in Washington contributed to this report.

[spacemaverick]

How Airlines Make Big Money When Planes Crash CBS This Morning





No relatives have received any insurance money....

[WarToad]

...  No relatives have received any insurance money....

As an insurance underwriter, I would not expect them to have recieved any money yet.  The normal claim involves sending in a death certificate and involves a brief look into the cause of death and to make sure there was no purposefull ommission of information on the original application. (ie: you had kidney cancer, applied for life insurance, lied on the app to the question that specifically asks about cancer.)  When a claim comes in on a missing person, that throws a wrench into the process.  Are they dead and missing?  Alive and missing?  There's usually a significant waiting period involved to make sure they are not found alive because once a claim is paid, there's no legal recourse to get it back if the person suddenly shows up again.  You can see the opportunity for fraud here.  Get a million dollar policy and dissappear, stay under the radar 6-12 month, woo-hoo - millionaire!

So... I completely expect no insurance payment until 2015 or even later.  Just depends on company policies with missing people.

[spacemaverick]

As an insurance underwriter, I would not expect them to have recieved any money yet.  The normal claim involves sending in a death certificate and involves a brief look into the cause of death and to make sure there was no purposefull ommission of information on the original application. (ie: you had kidney cancer, applied for life insurance, lied on the app to the question that specifically asks about cancer.)  When a claim comes in on a missing person, that throws a wrench into the process.  Are they dead and missing?  Alive and missing?  There's usually a significant waiting period involved to make sure they are not found alive because once a claim is paid, there's no legal recourse to get it back if the person suddenly shows up again.  You can see the opportunity for fraud here.  Get a million dollar policy and dissappear, stay under the radar 6-12 month, woo-hoo - millionaire!

So... I completely expect no insurance payment until 2015 or even later.  Just depends on company policies with missing people.

I really appreciate the information you placed here about the insurance.  I don't know the way it works in something like this.

[The Seeker]

ok, wartoad, a question for you; in this scenario where the plane and passengers are missing, how long before they will be presumed dead? I am curious as to how long the families will have to wait in limbo...


seeker

[WarToad]

ok, wartoad, a question for you; in this scenario where the plane and passengers are missing, how long before they will be presumed dead? I am curious as to how long the families will have to wait in limbo...

seeker

Every country has different criteria, and that criteria can change depending on the nature of the "missing" situation.  A persons dissapearance might be overwhelmingly supported by a suspect airplane crash and via court, a death certificate produced because of very likely cause.  A good example of this is 3 years ago my company paid out on a claim where the individual was missing while flying a small 2 seater aircraft in the Alaskan mountans when bad weather moved in.  Never seen again.  Afer 9 months a court ordered "death in absentia" and we paid out.  But if a person just goes missing-missing, no accident or foul play suspected... it can take much much longer.  A decade.  Italy takes 20 years.

With flight 370 I suspect family pressure will push a court to make a ruling and issue death certificates due to highly suspect crash, even with no bodies our crash site found.


Some ino here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declared_death_in_absentia

Edit - so with a multi-national crew/passenger list - different countries will be making different rulings affection the speed of getting a claim based on nationality.  A chinese Ins company just isn't going to accept a US court ruling.  Not going to happen.  So... expect a mess and different decisions from different nations.

[spacemaverick]

I have hit an interesting snag in my digging on MH 370.  "CIA knows something about missing MH 370"  When I try to access the story on Intellihub I end up my computer tells me that it needs a flash player.  If I try to close out it puts me in a circle where I can't get out of that window.  Yesterday I went further into it and it said I needed an updated Java on my computer.  My Kaspersky stopped it dead in it's tracks.  I did a hard reset and then scanned with my Anti-virus and discovered the threat of a Trojan had been thwarted and some of my protection was disabled.  I immediately updated by virus signatures which Kaspersky immediately restored my protection.  I then used mal-ware bytes to scan my system which found malware and a PUP (Potentially Unwanted Program)  I cleaned my system and I'm good.

Now it becomes interesting.  Since they (Intellihub) has a Facebook page I informed them via message.  Received an answer that they are checking their webpage.  It did the same again today and sent another message.  It only happens when I go to that particular story.  I tried another website for an entirely different website (same story) and the webpage freezes up but allows me to close the page.

I guess someone does not want the story read...but guess what...I'm not giving up.  Both websites are in different countries.  Maybe I can find it elsewhere......

[rdunk]

Spacemaverick, maybe this is what you are referring to? (I copied the entire article, just in case............)

http://intellihub.com/former-malaysian-pm-c-boeing-covering-flight-370s-whereabouts-report-says/


Former Malaysian PM: 'The C.I.A. and Boeing are covering up flight 370?s whereabouts', says report
May 20, 2014  3:29 PM EDT SHARE :   

Former Malaysian PM: 'The C.I.A. and Boeing are covering up flight 370?s whereabouts', says report

After search crews have been led on a wild goose chase for months now, the whereabouts of MH370 are still unknown

By Shepard Ambellas

Is it possible flight 370 was overtaken remotely by the C.I.A. or N.S.A. after being hijacked?
Did the an alphabet agency or militarized faction land Malaysian Airlines flight 370 at Diego Garcia, a secret U.S. military base in the Indian Ocean?
At least one report states how Dr. Mahathir Mohamad, the former Prime Minister of Malaysia, believes that flight 370 did not crash and that Boeing and the Central Intelligence Agency may know its whereabouts.

The former PM remains skeptical, mentioning how the mainstream media has been careful to cover up any mention of the C.I.A. or Boeing's knowledge of the matter in the press, the report detailed.

Shockingly, in the report referencing the former PM, Candace Sutton reporting for the Daily Mail wrote:

'Airplanes don't just disappear,' he said. 'Certainly not these days with all the powerful communication systems, radio and satellite tracking and filmless cameras which operate almost indefinitely and possess huge storage capacities.'

'The plane is somewhere, maybe without MAS [Malaysia Airlines] markings,' he said, reports the Sydney Morning Herald.

'It is a waste of time and money to look for debris or oil slick or to listen for pings from the black box.

Now some speculate that all of the smoke and mirror displays by the press point to the possibility that flight 370 was somehow remotely intercepted by an alphabet agency or militarized faction via a satellite takeover link. In fact, eyewitness in Malaysia were said to have spotted the airliner being escorted by F-16 fighter jets early on as I  reported back on April 4. in an article titled Girlfriend of 370 passenger Wood: 'Fighter jets accompanied flight 370 in secret militarized operation, my husband is still alive'. In the article I wrote:

In a strange twist of events Sara Bajc, the girlfriend of missing flight 370 passenger Phillip Wood, told CNN how the Malaysian military and even the U.S. are likely involved in a massive cover-up surrounding the aircrafts disappearance on the morning of Mar. 8.


Astonishingly Bajc told CNN, "The jet [flight 370] had actually been accompanied by fighter planes, there is some witness to that.".

"I think we need to have a better view into where that plane went and who has got it now", Bajc told CNN going on to explain how she felt her boyfriend Phillip Wood was still alive somewhere. Bajc also pointed out that the general consensus amongst family members also leans toward the plane still being intact somewhere, alluding to a militarized operation.

"I am sure that the military in Malaysia knew that plane was there and has tracked that plane in some way. Now whether they were in control of it or not we don't know. Many people are saying that the United States is involved [...] but the general thinking across the families here and even non-families [...] believe this was a military operation of some sort.", said Bajc.

Shockingly, this dovetails with information already obtained by Intellihub News which, via GPS metadata, puts Phillip Wood in a holding cell at the U.S. controlled military base Diego Garcia.

To boot, Matthias Chang, a former political secretary in the Malaysian government confirms the remote hijacking theory. Astonishingly, in an article titled "Flight 370 was remote-hijacked", Kevin Barret, reporting for Veteran's Today wrote:

Chang said that the media's focus on the search for the MH370?s black box is a deception. "We've been diverted to look for the black box. Bullpoop! There are plenty of signals." Chang asserts that both Boeing, a leading US military contractor, and the Rolls-Royce company that makes the plane's engines, know exactly what happened to MH370, because they are constantly fed signals giving them every significant detail about all of their planes including exactly location, altitude, airspeed, engine function, manual or autopilot, and so on.

Regarding Rolls-Royce, Chang said:

"As long as the engine is running, they monitor it. If anything goes wrong with the engine for any reason, they land the plane and abort the flight. There have been a couple of instances when Rolls-Royce detected malfunctions and told the pilot to land as soon as possible due to the malfunction.

"So for six hours or more, Rolls-Royce would have kept track of the pings. Rolls-Royce would know where the plane's going. Now I'm told, rightly or wrongly, that in the protocol, Rolls-Royce may be prohibited from disclosing this information."

Likewise, Malaysia has been prevented from disclosing the sealed evidence it has been provided by one or more unnamed countries – or even the name of that country or countries.

Moreover, we still have to question the two Iranians who boarded flight 370 using stolen passports and if these men played any part in a nefarious sequence of events.

As of yet, the mystery remains unsolved.

(Photo: Wikimedia Commons)

About the author:

Ambellas, Shepard - Bio IconShepard Ambellas is the founder and editor-in-chief of Intellihub News and the maker of SHADE the Motion Picture. You can also find him on Twitter and Facebook. Shepard also appears on the Travel Channel series America Declassified.

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[spacemaverick]

Thanks rdunk Bingo you got it!  Gold for ya my friend!  I could not get in to the article here in the states or Britain.  Never happened to me before.  Yes, this is indeed the one.

[spacemaverick]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-scientists-question-methods-and-the-politics-of-the-mh370-search/story-fniztvne-1226928975742

UNDERWATER scientists have labelled the search for MH370 a "debacle" and say Prime Minister Tony Abbott was playing politics when he prematurely announced the black box pingers had been found. 

The acoustic experts, who do not wish to be identified, said the four crucial signals detected by a US pinger locator were almost certainly not from the missing Malaysian Airlines plane's black boxes, but from another man-made source.

They insisted that the signals were in the wrong frequency and detected too far apart to be from the boxes.

"As soon as I saw the frequency and the distance between the pings I knew it couldn't be the aircraft pinger," one scientist told News Corp Australia.

That conclusion is supported by the lack of success from a detailed search of the area conducted by the US deep sea drone 'Bluefin 21'.

The unmanned submarine will return to Perth this weekend and will be replaced by a commercial deep water search vehicle.

An RAAF aircraft also detected a mystery signal earlier in the search, showing there were other signals being transmitted.

"It is clear there were other man made signals out there," an expert said.

However the scientists said the 33.3 kilohertz frequency of the signal was very different to the 37.5 kilohertz generated by underwater acoustic beacons. The signals were also detected some 30km and four days apart.

The JACC has refused a request to release recordings of the signals for independent analysis and it did not release the exact location or precise depth of the signals.

Agency head retired defence chief Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston said the signals were still being analysed to ensure nothing was overlooked.

"They won't release them because they don't know what it is," one scientist said.

"Signals do pass through water in complicated ways and you can get unusual 'sound ducts' but at those distances it is very unlikely."

According to the scientists the required critical, detailed analysis of the signals was not conducted before Mr Abbott went public in China on April 11.

His announcement coincided with negative political fallout over his controversial "knights and dames" decision to change the Australian honours system and the ICAC scandal enveloping former NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell.

"We are confident that we know the position of the black box flight recorder to within some kilometres," Mr Abbott said in Shanghai.

ACM Houston almost immediately contradicted him saying that nothing had changed.

"On the information I have available to me, there has been no major breakthrough in the search for MH370," he said at the time.

Seventeen ships and 23 aircraft from eight countries were involved in the search and RAAF P-3C Orion aircraft deployed 1416 sonobuoys at a cost of $1018 each or $1.4 million.

The Malaysian Airlines flight, with 239 passengers and crew on board, disappeared in the early hours of March 8 on a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. Since then no trace of the jetliner has been found, despite a multi-million dollar search effort.

There are so far no clues, at least publicly known, for why and how the plane veered so radically from its course, doing an air turnback as it was crossing between Malaysian and Vietnamese air space, and then flying back over Malaysia, over the tip of Indonesia and into the treacherous southern Indian Ocean.

The search, off Perth, has so far yielded little