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Started by spacemaverick, March 11, 2014, 05:14:08 AM

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spacemaverick

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/malaysian-civil-aviation-chief-resigns-over-mh370-disappearance/ar-BBLiilV?OCID=ansmsnnews11

Malaysia's civil aviation chief resigned Tuesday to take responsibility for shortcomings during the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight 370. Azharuddin Abdul Rahman's resignation comes a day after a report by a 19-member international team revealed the doomed jetliner was likely steered off course deliberately by someone and flew over the Southern Indian Ocean for more than seven hours after communications were severed.
Rahman said in a statement the report showed failures by air traffic control to comply with standard procedures.
"Therefore, it is with regret and after much thought and contemplation that I have decided to resign as the Chairman of Civil Aviation Authority of Malaysia effective 14 days from the date of the resignation notice which I have served today," he said.

Article taken directly from MSN.
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fansongecho


You are very welcome Spacemaverick  :)

This just in from David off Abel Danger after a request I pinged him y/day -

https://www.corbettreport.com/cache/BUAP_May-2014_Folder3.pdf

Cheers!

Fans'  8)

spacemaverick



The final report recap.  At the bottom on this YouTube channel is a link to the final report in PDF format.
From the past into the future any way I can...Educating...informing....guiding.

astr0144

#1083
Hi Fans,

Thanks for posting  the links and videos Fans...

The 1st vid was not working when I tried it..but I am not sure if Space Mav has posted it since... or just one similar...

Theres quite a lot to watch and research ....I watched parts so far but not all in detail as yet...

but it seems proof that Auto Pilot takeover exists....

Do you think it may also relate to 9/11 in some way... I suppose it could be another theory to it...


This was shown as Amalgam Virgo with a picture of Bin Larden in June 2001... 3 months prior to 9/11




QuoteOperation Amalgam Virgo is a CINCNORAD[1] joint task counter-terrorist and field training exercise (FTX) carried out in Tyndall Air Force Base, Florida on early June 2001. NORAD sponsored the multi-agency planning exercise involving the hypothetical scenario of a cruise missile or UAV launched by a terrorist group.[2] Osama bin Laden was pictured on the cover of the proposal for the exercise. Key military players involved in the exercise also included personnel from the 1st Air Force battalion, the U.S. National Guard, the U.S. Reserve forces, and the U.S. Navy




The Boeing Uninterruptible Autopilot


QuoteThe Boeing Uninterruptible Autopilot is a system designed to take control of a commercial aircraft away from the pilot or flight crew in the event of a hijacking.[1] If implemented, the system would allow the craft to automatically guide itself to a landing at a designated airstrip.[2] The "uninterruptible" autopilot would be activated either by pilots, by onboard sensors, or remotely via radio or satellite links by government agencies, if terrorists attempt to gain control of a flight deck.[2]
Both Boeing and Honeywell have contributed significantly to the introduction of digital autopilot technology into the civil aviation sector.[3] A patent for the system was awarded to Boeing in 2006.[4] Honeywell has also been developing a system with Airbus, and a prototype has been tested on small aircraft.[5]
In 2013, a 16-seater Jetstream airliner became the first passenger plane to fly unmanned across UK civilian airspace. However, Britain's Civil Aviation Authority says there is no remote control system currently available that could cope with navigating the country's crowded skies. According to a spokesman, "There are companies working on it, but the technology doesn't exist in a practical or usable form yet".[6]
There have been claims that the technology has been secretly fitted to some commercial airliners. Some have blamed it for the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, whose cause is unknown as of 2018.[7][8][9] According to Bob Mann, an airline industry consultant, there is no evidence that the Boeing Uninterruptible Autopilot has ever been used in a commercial airliner.[10] Safety concerns, including the possibility that such a system could be hacked, have prevented its roll-out


Quote from: fansongecho on July 31, 2018, 04:55:35 PM
@Astro - did you see this link on the post I posted above ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Honeywell_Uninterruptible_Autopilot

Cheers,

Fans'

PS - Field and his Abel Danger YT and site are really very interesting if you can get by his speaking "manner"

Also he spoke about this - which has a interesting link into 9/11 -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amalgam_Virgo

Yes S.M I do not think we are likely to know...unless someone was willing to risk to expose it if they are in the know..

Thanks for posting the other videos..and a ref to the Final Report...  Not sure if thats the full report, if it is it will be a lot to look thru..

The recent details have led to a Malaysia's civil aviation chief to resign...not sure he had to do that if something out of his control..but he seems to suggest something was done deliberate..

QuoteASTRO.....I believe anything is possible with MH370.  We really will never know in my opinion.  So many theories.  Could this have been a perfect crime or perfect accident?  Or does someone somewhere no exactly what transpired?  A mystery indeed.




ArMaP

Quote from: astr0144 on August 01, 2018, 12:19:42 PM

The Boeing Uninterruptible Autopilot
The report includes a section about it, and this is what it says:

Quote
1.6.10 Boeing Patent on Remote Control Take-over of Aircraft

There have been speculations that MH370 could have been taken over control remotely in order to foil a hijack attempt. Some of these speculations have mentioned a US patent that Boeing filed for in February 2003 and received (US 7,142,971 B2) in November 2006 for a system that, once activated, would remove all controls from pilots and automatically fly and land the aircraft at a predetermined location.

According to the patent, existing preventative measures such as bulletproof doors and the carriage of air marshals on board may have vulnerabilities. The flight crew could decide to open a lockable bullet-proof cockpit door [refer to Section 1.6.8, para. 4)] and air marshals, if used, might be over-powered. In light of the potential that unauthorised persons might be able to access the flight controls of an aircraft, the inventors conceived of a technique to avoid this risk by removing any form of human decision process that may be influenced by the circumstances of the situation, including threats or violence on-board.

The 'uninterruptible' autopilot envisioned by the patent could be activated, either by pilots, on-board sensors or remotely via radio or satellite links by the airline or government agencies if there were attempts to forcibly gain control of the cockpit. This system once activated would disallow pilot inputs and prevent anyone on-board from interrupting the automatic takeover. Thus, the personnel on-board could not be forced into carrying out the demands of any unauthorised person(s). To make it fully independent, the system described in the patent would have its own power supply, inaccessible in-flight, so that it could not be disengaged by tripping circuit breakers accessible on-board the aircraft. The aircraft would remain in automatic mode until after landing when ground crew working in conjunction with authorised personnel would be called to disengage the system.

Boeing has confirmed that it has not implemented the patented system or any other technology to remotely pilot a commercial aircraft and is not aware of any Boeing commercial aircraft that has incorporated such technology. The technology was never installed on an aircraft. It should also be noted that the aircraft 9M-MRO was delivered in May 2002 to MAS before the patent was issued in 2006. The aircraft was under the control of MAS for the entire time after delivery except for a short duration at Pudong, Shanghai Airport, China in August 2012, when it underwent wing tip repair by Boeing [refer to Section 1.6.4, para. 2)]. Even then the repair was under the oversight of MAS engineers. Aircraft modification installation data do not indicate that any systems like that described in the patent were installed on the aircraft post delivery and during in-service. Airworthiness protocols require that all modifications are approved for installation and a record kept of each modification incorporated. There is no reason to believe any systems like that described in the patent either were or could have been incorporated without the knowledge of MAS.

From the foregoing, there is no evidence to support the belief that control of the aircraft 9M-MRO (operating as MH370) could have been or was taken over remotely as the technology was not implemented on commercial aircraft.

Sgt.Rocknroll

Non nobis, Domine, non nobis, sed nomini Tuo da gloriam

spacemaverick

Quote from: ArMaP on August 01, 2018, 08:00:02 PM
The report includes a section about it, and this is what it says:
[/quotThe Rockwell Collins technician that told me of the system mentioned said it was placed in the aircraft.  Just because Boeing said they didn't doesn't make it so.  This technician is also a pilot and apprised me of it a few years ago.  The capability is present to have no pilot actually fly the aircraft and can be done by computer.  Guess I will have to dig deeper for evidence.
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fansongecho


Hi Astro, I have read that document twice now and I believe it to be the real deal, I am going to look at it again this weekend - I try very hard to post links that I have found interesting BUT not as absolute and definitive statements of facts on subjects and matters' - that said, the document and the YT channel are very interesting and cast a different light on the 370 flight.

Field Mc from the Abel Danger YT channel has some very interesting theories on a wide range of subjects and topics, he tends to talk a LOT but if you take time to listen to his side kick David , it is worth a crack, in my humble opinion.

9/11 remote controlled A/C ??.. Hmmmm..  maybe?... just maybe  :o

I had a friend who worked at Airbus in Bristol who told me that they were developing a fly by light autonomous auto-pilot with Panavia back in 1988 - he designed the landing gear for the early Airbus and was part of the static test team in Toulouse France - he couldn't tell me much but what he did tell, made me believe that a fully autonomous auto-pilot system was in place, by which I mean, the take off, climb, cruise and descend and land without Pilot authority was possible.

I cant prove it but I did believe it then.

Read the document Astro and let me know your thoughts bud.

Cheers,

Fans'  :-X

astr0144

#1088
Is that from the 1500 page Report ArMaP ?

Quoteas 1,500-page report reveals doomed passenger jet turned back 'under manual control'

ArMaP
QuoteThe report includes a section about it, and this is what it says:



I have not looked at the report and fear to do so if its 1500 pages Fans  ???  not sure that I could handle it  :) not enough hrs left in my life .... at the speed that my mind operates  :) so I dont know how you have manged to read it twice  :)

I may do if I am in the right mood or have time...or something else has not taken over ...


Yes... I think MC and his AD YT channel vids & David ..  they seems to have quite indepth detailed reports on their topics.. and have some strong like opinions that appear honest / legit to raise some good solid valid points, opinions   on certain questionable topics such as MH370..

Interesting what your Airbus Friend has told you...in the fact that it relates and seems to further confirm to something what we are discussing..

I think just knowing that Pilots can fly on auto control... that maybe its now not that hard to consider that the aircraft could also be taken over from others or thru other means or from other places if it has a system that can override anything that the pilot can do actually from in the aircraft cockpit...

With Computers and High tech... Its some complex... its just hard to really know what is possible..

In ref to could they have used this on 9/11... I hink John Lear claimed its not possible for any aircraft to fly in the way that the two aircraft did... at such low levels at the high speed that it was doing on impact...

I am not really sure thatI would fully understand that.. as to why an aircraft could still not  fly at 500 MPH....at low level...
unless.. its to do with difference at airpressure depending on an aircrafts height..

On take off and landing they do fly at 140 MPH... and on reduce speed when coming into land... 

but if you kept flying at higher speed when coming into land... just how fast could an aircraft potentially be flying at ?..

if it was to crash... It still would be at a high speed.. but would it be slowed down for some reason... as its height decends during a crash... or would its speed maintain the same..

I think its unlikely that if 9/11 was done deliberate somehow... by who ever...  would they have risked using an aircraft that was capable of being taken over.... that later may be come known like we  "now" ..have been made aware of it...


Quote from: fansongecho on August 02, 2018, 12:57:26 AM
Hi Astro, I have read that document twice now and I believe it to be the real deal, I am going to look at it again this weekend - I try very hard to post links that I have found interesting BUT not as absolute and definitive statements of facts on subjects and matters' - that said, the document and the YT channel are very interesting and cast a different light on the 370 flight.

Field Mc from the Abel Danger YT channel has some very interesting theories on a wide range of subjects and topics, he tends to talk a LOT but if you take time to listen to his side kick David , it is worth a crack, in my humble opinion.

9/11 remote controlled A/C ??.. Hmmmm..  maybe?... just maybe  :o

I had a friend who worked at Airbus in Bristol who told me that they were developing a fly by light autonomous auto-pilot with Panavia back in 1988 - he designed the landing gear for the early Airbus and was part of the static test team in Toulouse France - he couldn't tell me much but what he did tell, made me believe that a fully autonomous auto-pilot system was in place, by which I mean, the take off, climb, cruise and descend and land without Pilot authority was possible.

I cant prove it but I did believe it then.

Read the document Astro and let me know your thoughts bud.

Cheers,

Fans'  :-X


I tried to open the link Sgt... and could see a ref and picture to the article / videos..

but then unfortunately... I got a message on screen saying thats its content is not available in my location..

So do you or anyone else who can see it  have a brief description on what it is about ?....

The picture seems to show what the airplane may look like if the ocean was drained...which is somewhat thought provoking.... and who knows what may happen the way the Earths weather is behaving lately..

QuoteSgt R&R
    Quote
Drain the Oceans...

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/tv/watch/fe70898178fdcafb39ccb7b324c81e17/


Sgt.Rocknroll

I watched the show when it was broadcast in TV. NG channel has a special on how they can drain the oceans after there are deep scans of the ocean floor. This episode focused on the missing flight. It was pretty in depth with info I had not heard before. Of course I really haven't been following the whole disappearance of the flight, but it seems they have a pretty good idea of where it when down. But because of time constraints and lack of money, the search was called off. I was surprised that there were certain areas of the Indian Ocean that hadn't been explored yet and they didn't know for sure what the topography looked liked.
As far as the link I posted, I just googled Drain the Ocean MH370 and the link came up. That's what I posted. Hope you get to see the episode. I liked the technical aspects of the 3D modeling they used.
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fansongecho


@Astro - the link to the report is 66 normal pages long buddy  8) I believe that "they" used a Tomahawk style or Next Generation Cruise Missile against the Pentagon, I am not sure about the Twin Towers, but I suspect something like Project Blue Beam / Hologram to mask the cruise missiles that hit the Twin Towers - again, total speculation on my part Astro. (but what was the C-130 Hurky Bird doing flying around NY when the attack was well under way?)

@Sgt - I am going to have a look at your link this weekend bud, it sounds fascinating (to quote a very special alien) -


Also I hear that there was Illyushun that went AWOL around the same period as the MH aircraft went missing, I will see if I can dig that out as well this weekend.  :P


Cheers,

Fansongecho  :)


Sgt.Rocknroll

Quote from: fansongecho on August 02, 2018, 09:40:05 PM
@Astro - the link to the report is 66 normal pages long buddy  8) I believe that "they" used a Tomahawk style or Next Generation Cruise Missile against the Pentagon, I am not sure about the Twin Towers, but I suspect something like Project Blue Beam / Hologram to mask the cruise missiles that hit the Twin Towers - again, total speculation on my part Astro. (but what was the C-130 Hurky Bird doing flying around NY when the attack was well under way?)

@Sgt - I am going to have a look at your link this weekend bud, it sounds fascinating (to quote a very special alien) -


Also I hear that there was Illyushun that went AWOL around the same period as the MH aircraft went missing, I will see if I can dig that out as well this weekend.  :P


Cheers,

Fansongecho  :)

They've found out where it went down, but haven't found the wreckage on the sea floor. They talk about a flight from Brazil to Paris that went down and they found the debris floating and they knew where it went down but it took 2-3 years for them to actually find the wreckage on the seafloor. It was 24 miles away from where it hit the water. The ocean currents were that strong!...so knowing exactly where it goes down does not mean it's where you might think it is.
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fansongecho


@Sgt.Rocknroll the link wont work in the UK - downer  :(



Sgt.Rocknroll

Sorry to hear that. Maybe it might be on YouTube or some other platform.
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astr0144

Thanks for the description explanation Sgt ...

Seems to be something interesting and something different than expected..

I will try to find another video of it and try to watch it when I can..

Yes that 3 D modelling and tech aspects seem impressive if some parts of the image that I got to see on part of the website are also connected to that...

Cheers...

Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on August 02, 2018, 01:05:17 PM
I watched the show when it was broadcast in TV. NG channel has a special on how they can drain the oceans after there are deep scans of the ocean floor. This episode focused on the missing flight. It was pretty in depth with info I had not heard before. Of course I really haven't been following the whole disappearance of the flight, but it seems they have a pretty good idea of where it when down. But because of time constraints and lack of money, the search was called off. I was surprised that there were certain areas of the Indian Ocean that hadn't been explored yet and they didn't know for sure what the topography looked liked.
As far as the link I posted, I just googled Drain the Ocean MH370 and the link came up. That's what I posted. Hope you get to see the episode. I liked the technical aspects of the 3D modeling they used.