Jim Oberg's "99 FAQs About Space UFO Videos"

[zorgon]

Anything on record regarding the Level of light recorded from the tether ?

To take out any guess work, what was the data recorded regarding light intensity of the tether,
both from orbit and the ground ?

from last post;   one report placed it at about mag. +3,

From Jim's source... this is the size of the tether and the surface. You can see the quarter is shiny but the cable is dull, not highly reflective



Explanation on that source as follows:

The next one shows a magnified view of the inner and outer layers of the material. One idea is that the reason the tether can be seen with the unaided eye even though it is of millimeter thickness is possibly due to 'sandblasting' of the outer layer after exposure to the environment of space.



Seriously?  "possibly"?  sand blasting?  Gee that is amazing considering it broke off minutes after deployment. How the heck did it have time to get sand blasted? And sandblasting Kevlar would polish it?


Seems these debunkers are grasping at any straw and hoping something sticks   LOL

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

One significant data point against the plasma explanation is that other tethers that were NOT conducting NEVERTHELESS were just as bright. Sort of blows the requirement for plasma dominating reflected light, right out of orbit.

This tether was different, an experimental one, it generated far more energy than they thought.

Also, if the induced current created the 'glowing plasma', a la Zorgon, why did going into darkness stop it? The motion through the magnetic field was unabated, so would the induced current have been. But many observers saw the tether become invisible at sunset and vice versa.

For it to be visible from earth, as reflected light, it would have to be 50 feet thick.

Yes it would continue to charge while in shadow, once it is in 'sunlight' i gets bombarded by high energy particles, cosmic rays etc. Then it would have sufficient energy to 'ignite'.
Once ignited, such a plasma is electrically VERY conductive, many thousands of amps can flow.

O my so much to read, still catching up, LOL
What strikes me is that the 'debris' all had the same 'pac-man' shape, or at least their plasma fields did.
O sorry i forgot that was a 'lens' effect from the camera, as was the 'effect' that some of this 'debris' went behind the tether. i know it's a pretty poor video, only the beginning is sharp, then some goon at NASA puts it out of focus & sets the contrast first to zero, then to full, in an attempt to obfuscate what was a very clear picture to begin with.
Still reading.....

[zorgon]

Also from Jim's source  regarding the other tether (the navy one)

TIPS
A high altitude tether was placed into space where it remains today. Not visible to the naked eye, this is a low light level video image. The TiPS has two small end masses connected by a tether.

Seems you CANNOT see that one with reflected sunlight...

... yet their tether cable is much more reflective...


Credit: US Navy

[zorgon]

What strikes me is that the 'debris' all had the same 'pac-man' shape, or at least their plasma fields did.
O sorry i forgot that was a 'lens' effect from the camera, as was the 'effect' that some of this 'debris' went behind the tether.

No that is the whole point of the bokeh argument...

A bokeh is a camera lens effect that can show a notch however since a camera has only ONE lens the bokeh blur in any one frame would have them all the same...

Anyone who dabbles with cameras can tell you that since a camera has only ONE lens that any bokeh produced by off focus would all be the SAME.  See below for examples of bokeh.  Yet the 'critters' change  sometimes the notch is at the top, sometimes at the bottom, sometimes more than one notch and the notches are in different positions on different critters in the same frame...

hexagonal bokeh  notice the angle is the same no mater where they aree in the image



Here is one done with a heart shape...

Again they are all oriented the same direction...




Here is the one that goes behind the tether... watch the notches morph from two to one (and the shadow of the tether )



In this image there are several critters  each with the notch at a different angle in the same frame. Notice the big one  it has the notch at the TOP



yet even though the camera doesn't change, a few frames later the notch is now at the bottom

[zorgon]

A few more frames  showing multiple notches at random locations

[zorgon]

Pulsating critter




Huge one on NASA mission control screen

[ArMaP]

How long AFTER the tether break was the famous video taken?

I think it was on the second time the shuttle passed by the tether after the breaking.

[JimO]

That seems unlikely 

So.....  your 'evidence' consists of Hollywood SFX?  Wow, are you sure you want us to believe THAT?  Where is Dick Gordon's visual description documented in the world of reality? It could be, I'd like to believe it, but criminy. A TV show?

[JimO]

... For it to be visible from earth, as reflected light, it would have to be 50 feet thick.
...Still reading.....

Thanks for diving in, it is a genuinely unearthly realm and weird-looking stuff is the 'new normal. So many 'obvious' intuitive guesses -- like the 50 ft thickness -- are based on earthside experience. Much of that no longer applies.

[ArMaP]

On the video of the tether breaking we can see that it returned to a coil-shape, does anyone know if what we are seeing in any of the images of the free tether show the tether extended or in a coil? A coil would be much wider than just the tether.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEPp5-lac6o&list=UUzBF4dT28lh5kyO3o_F9fBQ

[JimO]

I think it was on the second time the shuttle passed by the tether after the breaking.

How many days later was that? The reason it's important is that the passage of that much time means the shuttle had resumed normal orbital operations, including stuff like water dumps.

The mythical timeline has the tether being swarmed by UFOs soon after first breaking, as it is still drifting away. Anybody out there still have that misimpression?

Preserving that misimpression may be why other posters here have refused to answer the repeated question.

[JimO]

On the video of the tether breaking we can see that it returned to a coil-shape, does anyone know if what we are seeing in any of the images of the free tether show the tether extended or in a coil? A coil would be much wider than just the tether.

The tangle at the lower end of the tether was extensively speculated about in the satobs.org log entries for the weeks of the tether free flight. But tangled or straight, the reflective area of the tether -- a tenth of an inch wide times 12 miles -- was unchanged. Do the math.

[JimO]

Also from Jim's source  regarding the other tether (the navy one)

TIPS
A high altitude tether was placed into space where it remains today. Not visible to the naked eye, this is a low light level video image. The TiPS has two small end masses connected by a tether.

Seems you CANNOT see that one with reflected sunlight...

... yet their tether cable is much more reflective...

Seems you've forgotten what's already on this site  -- many images of that tether seen by reflected sunlight. Too dim merely for naked-eye detection mainly due to being a lot farther away and a lot shorter that TSS-1R, but sunlit nevertheless.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/02files/Electrodynamic_01.html

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

On the video of the tether breaking we can see that it returned to a coil-shape, does anyone know if what we are seeing in any of the images of the free tether show the tether extended or in a coil? A coil would be much wider than just the tether.

Now that would maybe become visible from earth, yes.
A coil 100 feet wide, and glowing like crazy

ETA:

How many days later was that? The reason it's important is that the passage of that much time means the shuttle had resumed normal orbital operations, including stuff like water dumps.

Shuttle orbit was about 9 hours if i'm not mistaken, so if the tether broke when out of sight, it must have been no less than 5-6 hours before.
i would not think it wise to start dumping water (dont they recycle every drop?) when approaching a 14 mile charged tether, that would be irresponsible at best.
But hey, this is NASA we're talking about

The mythical timeline has the tether being swarmed by UFOs soon after first breaking, as it is still drifting away. Anybody out there still have that misimpression?

Yes.
Hell if i was out there in my electrical craft & some fool dumped all that free energy, i would go in & scoop it up as well...
They were probably taking snapshots for the peeps at home.

"What, the Humans are in space? Pictures or it didn't happen"

[ArMaP]

The tangle at the lower end of the tether was extensively speculated about in the satobs.org log entries for the weeks of the tether free flight.

We can see that the whole tether is turning into a coil, not just the lower end.

But tangled or straight, the reflective area of the tether -- a tenth of an inch wide times 12 miles -- was unchanged. Do the math.

In fact, a coiled (not tangled) tether would show a slightly smaller area, as some of the area would not be visible from any side at any time, but isn't a 10 x 10 metres object easier seen than a 10000 x 0.01 one?