Jim Oberg's "99 FAQs About Space UFO Videos"

[Martyn Stubbs]

You were describing the sts-75 tether swarm video with 'frenzied' astronauts. How soon was that after the break? And was the sun up, or down?

The video was a long time after the breaK (you know this) Check your NASA copy in real time.

[JimO]

....This phenomenon & a detailed review of hrs. of these tapes has allowed me to see what less experienced  viewers  have missed... just think of how many people look at an unusual object & explain it away as a trick of light. (like Jim O!)
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I expect this is an awesome unique opportunity for a high-octane disputation over some fascinating phenomena, so how about we act seriously about our responsibility to the future, and avoid flip fabrications about other people's opinions, starting tonight, OK?

OK?

[JimO]

The video was a long time after the breaK (you know this) Check your NASA copy in real time.

Martyn, "long time" can mean many hours, many days, many weeks. Indulge me, what's your impression - a lunch hour length, a theatre performance, an overnight shift, a weekend,  a raft trip down the Thames, how long. "Long time" is hardly a useful answer.

WHY in the anomalous interpretation did the swarm wait for 'a long time'?

[zorgon]

WHY in the anomalous interpretation did the swarm wait for 'a long time'?

Wasn't feeding time yet

[Sinny]

Martyn, "long time" can mean many hours, many days, many weeks. Indulge me, what's your impression - a lunch hour length, a theatre performance, an overnight shift, a weekend,  a raft trip down the Thames, how long. "Long time" is hardly a useful answer.

WHY in the anomalous interpretation did the swarm wait for 'a long time'?

Round and round the merry go round...
How about you feed us some answers rather than keep repeating the same question?

[JimO]

Round and round the merry go round...
How about you feed us some answers rather than keep repeating the same question?

Armap already posted them. I want Martyn to acknowledge the time gap so as to explain his claim the astronauts were 'frantic'.

Understanding the orbital dynamics that created the tether fly-past four days after the break is critical to assessing various theories for the swarm observed at that same time. Understanding the solar illumination conditions, too.

Who else cares about such context?

[JimO]

Wasn't feeding time yet

Why would any such schedule driver CARE where the shuttle was? A day before it had been six thousand miles away, a day later, the same.

Why would the swarm event just happen to coincide with the shuttle close fly-by?

My theory explains that. Yours is just explain-anything magic.

[JimO]

Please don't forget to assess the significance of the sts75 disk edge notch clocking as evidence they are artifacts of the optical system, not 'real'.

[JimO]

Zorgon, if you're fixated on STS-80, why haven't you ever asked astronaut Jones [who was there] on his website where he offers to discuss that very incident?
http://skywalking1.wordpress.com/2011/04/18/did-ufos-visit-sts-80-columbia/

[ArMaP]

Zorgon, if you're fixated on STS-80, why haven't you ever asked astronaut Jones [who was there] on his website where he offers to discuss that very incident?
http://skywalking1.wordpress.com/2011/04/18/did-ufos-visit-sts-80-columbia/

That's not the incident I am interested in and I think zorgon is talking about the same "incident" as I am.

[JimO]

That's not the incident I am interested in and I think zorgon is talking about the same "incident" as I am.

Should be easy enough to figure out. What's the date/time of the incident you ARE interested in? Was it day or night? Who are the witnesses?

Simple stuff.

[ArMaP]

Should be easy enough to figure out. What's the date/time of the incident you ARE interested in? Was it day or night? Who are the witnesses?

Simple stuff.

I don't have that information, only the video.




I have to do my homework.

[JimO]

I have to do my homework.

Somebody ought to. Wouldn't you think, if this video were as important as Zorgon wants us to believe, SOMEBODY would already have determined that?

It's almost as if the video's UFO-champions WANTED it to remain immune from examination and contextualization.

It's appearance is 'classic' sunlit shuttle dandruff. 

Viewing angle backwards towards receding Earth horizon, as part of Mesoscale Lightning Experiment [principal investigator Otha 'Skeet' Vaughan of NASA Marshall Space Center, Alabama], opportunistically observing Earth lightning activity to capture sprites.

Just came into sunrise, evidenced by glare on left just out of camera FOV.

Typical near-Orbiter materials ranging from thruster ice, water dump ice, payload bay detritus, a hundred different potential sources.

Object randomly emerges from Orbiter shadow and 'appears'.

Some motions exhibit may hint at gentle curving AWAY from direction of motion, possible aero drag effects [correct direction for that] or sunlight-induced evaporative emission of molecules on sunward side.

No indication of brief propulsive events, not this time.

Within a minute or two, Orbiter passes across terminator and then ground-reflected sunlight drives camera's Automatic Gain Control to 'dim down' the scene. [you gotta read the console handbook for the camera system to understand that process]

Seeing a 'mystery' in this scene is just advertising your unfamiliarity with orbital observation effects. Please read my "99 FAQs", the title of this thread.

[Sinny]

Woah,woah, woah, this footage is interesting of it's own accord, not because of Z.

And I don't see random movements of particles, I see intelligent movement.

Jims deluded on this one, can we move on?

[JimO]

Woah,woah, woah, this footage is interesting of it's own accord, not because of Z.

And I don't see random movements of particles, I see intelligent movement.

Jims deluded on this one, can we move on?

So -- you don't even know the time, date, place, provenance, witnesses, context, illumination conditions, even the identity of the youtube poster -- and you're ready to reach a conclusion about 'intelligent motion' already?

You didn't even read a single of the '99 FAQs', did you?

You're right, I'm wasting my time here.