Jim Oberg's "99 FAQs About Space UFO Videos"

[deuem]

just after orbit sunrise [space around Orbiter bathed in invisible sunlight]

can someone get me a frame of this, I would like to see if it is invisible to me.

SECTION 16CLOSED CIRCUIT TELEVISION

Jim, is this the article on the cameras you're talking about. I could only get up to page 4.

[JimO]

deuem, I'm not following you.

[Sinny]

The astronauts looking out their overhead windows SAW the dots and the distant tether. And since human-eye binocular ranging is effective out to 40-50 ft, they could TELL the dots were small and close. They had MORE information from two eyes than YOU had from the flat screen, so THEIR view was superior, and more accurate.

Still sounds like 'opinion' to me, rather than fact.

Less of the 'puerile', thank you.. We've patiently sat through you repetative questions.

[deuem]

just after orbit sunrise [space around Orbiter bathed in invisible sunlight]This was from one of your posts, Yes the craft should be in sunlight before the ground below it. The question is rather the sunlight is invisible or not to the camera. If someone can get me a video frame or snapshot of this, I would like to see if it is invisible to me. ( my process )


The second question I have is the camera used to film the tether breaking video. I did go to you homepage and could only find a reference to the standard cameras on-board. In your section 16. Sorry but I could only look as far as page 4 from here. ( at least today )

I'm sure you can clear up any questions on the exact camera used. All I have is third hand info. That info mentioned a very special camera that filmed in the UV. If this is true then that is the camera I want to know more apart. If any of the cameras do film in UV, are they UV A, UV B, UV C, UV V or a mix or the entire spectrum of UV?

Thanks

[ArMaP]

I'm sure you can clear up any questions on the exact camera used. All I have is third hand info. That info mentioned a very special camera that filmed in the UV. If this is true then that is the camera I want to know more apart. If any of the cameras do film in UV, are they UV A, UV B, UV C, UV V or a mix or the entire spectrum of UV?

I know Jim will probably point to the original data, but from what I remember the video was made with a common camera, not the special camera they had for the experiment that could catch UV light, as that camera had a special lens (glass blocks part of the UV spectrum).

But I may be wrong.

[JimO]

just after orbit sunrise [space around Orbiter bathed in invisible sunlight]This was from one of your posts, Yes the craft should be in sunlight before the ground below it. The question is rather the sunlight is invisible or not to the camera. If someone can get me a video frame or snapshot of this, I would like to see if it is invisible to me. ( my process )

The presence of a hard vacuum in the field of view eliminates the cue of haziness that sun-drenched air conveys, while the presence of stars against a black sky is a false cue of 'night'. Because the camera is deliberately aimed at the receding horizon to detect lightning sprites, it also is aimed to avoid having any spacecraft structure in the FOV, because when that structure gets sunlit, the camera's Auto Gain Control [AGC] dials down the sensitivity and dims out the scene, especially small objects.  Sometimes after sunrise you can detect an FOV edge glow from structure that is receiving forward-scattered sunlight, and when it gets too bright, you can see the AGC kick in. Or it can happen as the spacecraft passes out over sunlit clouds and earth surface below, also flooding the FOV with brightness.

I'm glad you're interested in this issue because it is the key to understanding the nature of these white dots -- sts 48, 63, 75, 80, 115, etc... -- that have become the notorious 'shuttle UFOs' of lore and legend. They appear in this particular condition, a brief interval on each orbit, because these conditions are conducive to small nearby objects shining brightly against the Earth and starry sky background. As some particles drift out of the spacecraft's shadow into sunlight, they seem to materialize against the Earth surface in the background, leading many people to misinterpret them as 'coming out from behind a cloud'.   

[JimO]

I know Jim will probably point to the original data, but from what I remember the video was made with a common camera, not the special camera they had for the experiment that could catch UV light, as that camera had a special lens (glass blocks part of the UV spectrum).

Armap is correct. The STS-75 UV camera [with special digital data displays that make it clear which camera was in use] was mounted in the payload bay to look up the tether. The shuttle cockpit windows are specially shielded NOT to pass UV light so as to protect crew eyes [and can post the exact trasmissivity ranges]. 'Columbia' had a UV-transparent flat window in the middeck door for special observations, it was usually covered with a UV-protective added layer. 

[deuem]

Armap is correct. The STS-75 UV camera [with special digital data displays that make it clear which camera was in use] was mounted in the payload bay to look up the tether. The shuttle cockpit windows are specially shielded NOT to pass UV light so as to protect crew eyes [and can post the exact trasmissivity ranges]. 'Columbia' had a UV-transparent flat window in the middeck door for special observations, it was usually covered with a UV-protective added layer.

Ok, can we get into this camera a lot more. If it is a UV camera then is it the entire UV spectrum or just A,B,C or V. From what I understand most cameras will film into UV-A a bit and then stop. I would also like to process the 4 ranges all by themselves if that is possible. So knowing what this camera films would help. Getting standards in the 4 wave lengths would help also. Thats one project.

The other is the space light question of it being invisible. My program loves sunlight the best. Where you see a dark sky with invisible light I might see something different. Sometimes the entire photo will light up with gradients where all you see is a black sky. I also get black skies and also get a mix when they film towards the day/night areas.

I would also guess with a lot of work and time, date studies, one could pin point the shuttle in space, the rotation of the Earth and the suns location. Then add in where the light rays would be at that moment. I did a lot of that work on the moon photos to study shadows. If we had real math on your questions then the real situation should prevail. No? We can calculate the absence of Light cone behind the Earth and place the shuttle in orbit and figure out in which way they are filming. Once totaly inside the Dark cone all photos are very different. With a 90 minute orbit, this does not last very long.

If you can help on specs, I can help on making a Cad drawing and Trig calculations. Add to this the focal distance of the camera and the lens we get a circle of view we can add to the equasions. Then we all can look and see where things should be. With Math as the backup. Is that OK?

You posted that the craft coming in and out of the clouds is coming in and out of light. Lets see how that stacks up. Can we get the specs on that and I'm sure ArMaP will be checking all the data.

I am going into this neutral and will let the results speak for themselves no matter what we find.

Deuem

[JimO]

Sounds like an interesting concept. What kind of double-blind calibration have you done on the process?

[Martyn Stubbs]

Why would any such schedule driver CARE where the shuttle was? A day before it had been six thousand miles away, a day later, the same.

Why would the swarm event just happen to coincide with the shuttle close fly-by?

My theory explains that. Yours is just explain-anything magic.

The Ground knew when the Tether would be closest & thus instructed the astronauts to look for it. The download feed is put up & Ground Control  watched live as the camera searched. Then Ground Control got anxious as all they could see was a clear picture of the stars. The camera looked left..then right..then down & then the astronauts got excited & said we have it ..Before the camera actually sees it...

The camera then jerks left & downward & suddenly everyone SEES the escaping tether swarming with objects

I posted the only tether incident footage in the world & everyone else has copied from that release.
What I did not...(& thus nobody has it)  was release the footage prior to the tether swarm. AND that is where the answer lies.

Their are no near field object swarming the camera! Never during the panning until the  (75 N. miles away) tether is spotted is there any activity. So are you saying the swarm lay in wait for the camera to pan
to the tether before attacking the camera?
Now that, your new  "space bee" theory... really is science fiction!

[ArMaP]

What I did not...(& thus nobody has it)  was release the footage prior to the tether swarm. AND that is where the answer lies.

Then can you post it, please?

And if you were receiving the feed then you know (or knew) the date and time, could you give us any help with that?

[Flux]

Sounds like an interesting concept. What kind of double-blind calibration have you done on the process?

Can you just post up all the spec's so Deuem and Armap can get to work?

One step at a time. Worry about the double-blind calibration super duper sponge bob sweaty pants stuff later on.

[Martyn Stubbs]

Then can you post it, please?

And if you were receiving the feed then you know (or knew) the date and time, could you give us any help with that?

SO.....You want me to upload to my You Tube channel the pre tether material...sorry re: that way as an ASAP... I want to let Jim O post his NASA copy as he insists he has this footage. My position is that Jim's word is good enough for me, & zorgon has taken the position that Jim's claim is bogus.  Jim can do the heavy lifting & post it.

This is how I wish to proceed.

As to the time..Jim O knows it well...he is playing a game here. There were multiple tether sightings & they were all downlinked. Jim is following the written NASA flight (CSI like) report that clearly ID's the sightings. That's his turf. So why is he asking me this? Is he suggesting I don't have the video  ?? This Jim O strategy is called "the art of fuzzification!

I have nothing to prove as you all know I have these recordings. The whole point here is...Does Jim O. have them. If not then his pemise is a house of straw.

[ArMaP]

SO.....You want me to upload to my You Tube channel the pre tether material...

I would prefer something better than YouTube, but that would be enough, if wanted to do it.

I have nothing to prove as you all know I have these recordings.

I don't know that, I only know that you are supposed to be the person that recorded those videos.

The whole point here is...Does Jim O. have them. If not then his pemise is a house of straw.

I thought that the whole point was to get to the truth, but I guess I was wrong and truth, once more, takes second stage in a battle of egos...

Typical.

[deuem]

Sounds like an interesting concept. What kind of double-blind calibration have you done on the process?

My process does not use a constant calibration as of yet. But I could reset it to black or white if needed. But if I do that i lose a lot in the change, so I just let it run as is. It is now fixed based on color choice of past and the 4 diferent program choices. 4 programs give me 4 diferent palets. It delivers a picture to look at, based on the original photo. To take it to the next step and run math off the waves is what I and others have been working on for awhile now. Very tough to do with out using a calibrated camera set the same for every shot. I have to deal with what ever I get. So far it seems to show me what I went after. So lay an invisible light photo out here to take a peek at.

On the second project, the time of day vs camera. Waiting on you. If you say it comes and goes because of sunlight, lets see if that holds water. At least 3 of us here can run the math. Flux, Sarge and myself.

Deuem