Jim Oberg's "99 FAQs About Space UFO Videos"

[deuem]

I have been to the Florida launch site several times and as far as I know ( Jim please fill in the holes ) there are 2 sites within one. Kenedy is the open site and Canaveral is the closed site. While in Kenedy they were very open about things and we could go a lot of places and actually touch and ask questions. I was there in the Shuttle days. But the other arm or the Military launch site was off limits to all.

I know no other details about that except local people can hear launches and have told me they are now far and few between. It is almost like they are on vacation by the current administration. No money, no rockets, no space. They gave the lead back to the Russians. Not NASA, the Washington bean counters.

It seems that technology has caught up with NASA and the military now has its own way of getting sats in space. Even from planes or maybe even Ocean based launches. In the old days of Apollo, even I did work for them. They had a better way then of spreading the work out until something changed and the mandate seemed to change to keep it in house more.

So, a very little part of me went to the moon with every astronaut. And our parts worked well, never even one reported problem. We all knew what it was for and everyone stepped up and did their best job ever. True made in the USA parts. Now they buy it from the lowest bidder. Yea get what you pay for the saying goes... In those days we were proud of being involved and wanted only the best for the Astronauts. We never passed anything that had any type of problem no matter how small.

I wish all Americans would know what was being launched from Canaveral. Very secret place...with a lot of night time launches as I am told. And Jim, was there a second Shuttle launch site out west? One for deep secret Shuttle black Ops?

[1967sander]

The English of which is, no, you're not going to provide any verifiable evidence, you're gonna do a distractionary dance of malevolent mud-slinging because you know that your peers are suckers for such gimmicks. Feel free to show your empty hand, and bluff away. I'm working on more insider data about this fascinating case we all want to understand better.

You really have an attitude problem. The only person that distracts is you. Insider data my ass! What you have shown so far is nothing new. What you show is of a bad quality and every single answer you provide sounds unnatural. As textures that have been copied and pasted from a script. So who are you really?

[JimO]

....It seems that technology has caught up with NASA and the military now has its own way of getting sats in space. Even from planes or maybe even Ocean based launches. In the old days of Apollo, even I did work for them. They had a better way then of spreading the work out until something changed and the mandate seemed to change to keep it in house more.

I'm puzzled by the plethora of misimpressions floating around. The military has always had their own way into orbit, starting in 1958 when they launched America's first satellites. In 1959 they began launching military satellites into polar orbit from California. Much later, commercial civilian firms developed alternate approaches including one company doing air-launched satellites and another US-Russian company doing sea-launched, neither having any military connections. And thanks for your service during Apollo!

I wish all Americans would know what was being launched from Canaveral. Very secret place...with a lot of night time launches as I am told. And Jim, was there a second Shuttle launch site out west? One for deep secret Shuttle black Ops?

Plans for the California shuttle site were cancelled after 'Challenger', and those launches involved both civil applications and military satellite launchings. Several DoD satellites were launched by shuttles from Florida but that project was cancelled twenty years ago, the missions were at the 'Secret' level mainly to conceal orbits from enemy observations. All orbital launches are registered with the UN and are observed by groups of amateur skywatchers world wide, see www.satobs.org for thier detailed analyses. What else do you think people don't know [that's true] about them?

[deuem]

Jim, are you stating that there is no military site in the Florida location? And that a part of the cape is not for military launches. ( not shuttle launches ) This is not what I saw nor hear about but I would like to hear what you can say about it. The question is for the past, present and what you might know about the future.

Is there a military closed to Joe public section at the cape for their use. Who ever they might be?

[JimO]

Jim, are you stating that there is no military site in the Florida location? And that a part of the cape is not for military launches. ( not shuttle launches ) This is not what I saw nor hear about but I would like to hear what you can say about it. The question is for the past, present and what you might know about the future.

Is there a military closed to Joe public section at the cape for their use. Who ever they might be?

Sorry I wasn't clear. The old missile row portion of Cape Canaveral is on Canaveral Air Station, an AF facility north of Patrick AFB -- jeez, any local map shows it. NASA's facility, the Kennedy Space Center, is on Merritt Island north of the Cape. Anyplace with rocket fuel and explosives is going to be closed to the public, as are most AF bases anywhere, in my experience. Couldn't you find this out for yourself, if you were seriously interested?

[deuem]

Ok, time for you to give another Jim O history lesson.

Was Missile row where they fired all missions up to the shuttle then the new facility was purpose built?

If that is true then did NASA use the AF Station or the other way around for all pre-shuttle maned flights and when the shuttle area was built they split up?

Does NASA have anything to do with missile row now?

Is what I am being told true or not? Have the military launches stopped and moved elsewhere or are there just fewer now a days because of budget cuts?

It appears that the two spent many years in the same house/area. and used the land together.

One things for sure. looking at the current map the place looks deserted and nothing going on. It is a national disgrace that we gave up on maned space flights and need to thumb a ride to space! By now they should have been able of daily flights to the moon.

[JimO]

I'm glad you want to find out about these questions. It's so far off topic that it belongs elsewhere, and there are numerous websites that explain it all very clearly.

Right now my focus is on your very reasonable request to define the geometry of the Columbia-TSS encounter, and the ranges and viewing angles. It's led me along very interesting paths that I'll be sharing.

The major surprise to me was the degree that the tether/TSS was "off to the side" of the shuttle and not 'above' it. Even on observation-2, with the famous 'swarm', it never got above 30 deg elevation to the inertial horizon [the Earth horizon was about 20 deg below that -- exact number to follow].

This was because the TSS/tether orbital plane had actually shifted away from the shuttle's plane by a significant  amount, a value I had never bothered to calculate before and another delightful surprise for which I have to thank your insightful question for. My own original assumptions were too superficial. That's always a pleasure to discover and correct.

So the third and fourth observations were very low on the horizon, as described on the videos. The second, and best, was off to the side and 'back' away from sunrise. The first, as I had guessed, was in 'front', the same side of the sky as the rising sun, which explains the low quality of the video.

More precise details to follow.

[1967sander]

All orbital launches are registered with the UN and are observed by groups of amateur skywatchers world wide, see www.satobs.org for thier detailed analyses. What else do you think people don't know [that's true] about them?

Not true.There is a at least a dozen launches / missions which have not been reported to the UN properly.
Not by the US, Russians and the Chinese. There is a group of people, with their own website, that carefully tracks every single launch into space. They have access to all space agency launch requests and reports from the UN. On several occassions the UN has warned the US and Russia to provide the right info about launches and payloads. One would expect that NASA would not make this many mistakes in reporting (military) missions. The website  can be found via Google. Seems to me that your amateurs are doing a very bad job. (deliberate?)

[JimO]

Not true.There is a at least a dozen launches / missions which have not been reported to the UN properly. ....

And as my buddy Jonathan McDowell explains, most are clerical errors: http://www.unexplainable.net/info-theories/unregistered_earth_satellites_launched_into_space_704.php

A handful are interesting but unrelated to "UFOs", AFAIK.

Now you owe me one: explain how the notch-clocking on your 'plasma critters' lines up precisely with their positions on the TV screen, if it's NOT a camera anomaly?

[1967sander]

And as my buddy Jonathan McDowell explains, most are clerical errors: http://www.unexplainable.net/info-theories/unregistered_earth_satellites_launched_into_space_704.php

A handful are interesting but unrelated to "UFOs", AFAIK.

Now you owe me one: explain how the notch-clocking on your 'plasma critters' lines up precisely with their positions on the TV screen, if it's NOT a camera anomaly?

"A clerical error is an error on the part of an office worker, often a secretary or personal assistant".

So what you are saying is that over a dozen launches of military (spy)satellites (a process of years), which normally are carried out with a 100% military precision, have not been reported properly, their payload not mentioned (or mixed up) because of an idiot of an office worker? I know from experience that such vital mistakes are never made. Everything is checked, double-checked and triple-ckecked. How stupid do you think we are? I guess your Buddy either screwed up himself or he defends those who screwed up or he knows that there never have been any mistakes and it was all done and kept silent on purpose.

Also let me make one thing clear: I owe you nothing.

[JimO]

Also let me make one thing clear: I owe you nothing.

Are you leaving the STS-75 discussion for any particular reasons, such as not liking where the new evidence seems to be leading? Is this thread to be hijacked into only stuff you're interested in? Start a new one on unregistered satellites, I'll join you there if I'm interested.

Meanwhile, for those who ARE interested in defending an anomalous interpretation of the STS-75 video, I suggest that a hypothesis to explain the clearcut pattern of the circle notch clocking positions would be a step forward. Failure to provide such a hypothesis would by default leave the field in the possession of the camera artifact theory.

[JimO]

..... How stupid do you think we are?.....

I hope you appreciate the temptation I resisted here.

It helped that my statement that 'all' were registered was found out by you to be inaccurate.

I stand corrected.

Check and doublecheck everything, it's good advice for us all, me too.

[deuem]

Jim, If we went off topic a bit it is because we are waiting on you. I still need the lens to camera info and for you to put part B back on line and release it so I can do some work.

On the tape, Huston mentioned it was 27 miles off plane on one account.

I really need (request) Our Mr Sanders to look at the ball and see if he can make heads or tails out of the leading end. For me it is in so much light, blur and power, all I can read is a big glowing ball. A clear picture of that end will tell a lot. Any news on any photos from the STS crew Yet?

And Jim while we are waiting for you and we tend to ramble, it is just to keep you on the front page. Consider it a silly bump if you wish.

I do understand that we have asked you a lot, Maybe more than you expected, so we can wait. Just post, I'll be back in ? days if you wish. This is your thread. I know that question I asked you is not easy. It will take time. I can sit on the fence and wait.

[JimO]

part 2 of the INCO book is working for me at http://www.jamesoberg.com/INCO-CHB-CCTV2.PDF

and

I've just gotten a new update to the trajectory reconstruction to analyze,

However, my two grandsons will be visiting Sunday to Wednesday. they will get priority. Thanks for understanding.

[deuem]

Jim, maybe it is me but when I tried to DL it I think I broke it. It is now damaged again. Please get this to ArMaP and he can get it to me.  Part B of the camera sheets. Thanks,

Now, go pay attention to those grand kids and get out of here for a few days. See you Thursday............