Massive underwater entrance off the coast of Malibu CA.

[thorfourwinds]

Greetings:

I don't understand why people use FlashEarth instead of their original sources.

Oh what do you mean by "... their original sources?"

And could you please recommend perhaps what you use that is so superior and up-to-date?   

Or, how about a link or something directly to do with the graphic in question?

Do you, ArMaP, think that it IS the 'secret' entrance to the waterways beneath CONUS?

The problem with bathymetric data is that it's usually too old,

What is the real reason for this, one might innocently enquire?

... as people are more interested in other things than on knowing about the oceans, even those areas close to their cities.

YOUR opinion ONLY, and we sincerely thank you for it.

Perhaps you have a list handy of those "other things"...

Or perhaps your Opinion is reflected in your analysis of people that You have
personally interviewed on the subject of "... knowing about the ocean ..."   

IMHO, You (again) throw out a dead fish as Gospel from ArMaP, and we question (as always) implied Authority.   .   

As always, thank you for your time, consideration and participation.   

tfw
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[ArMaP]

Oh what do you mean by "... their original sources?"

That part that says "Map source", on the top left corner of FlashEarth's page.
FlashEarth is just a way of looking at more than one source, but now is limited to just two different sources (Bing and Yahoo), when some years ago, when I first found it, they had five or six.

And could you please recommend perhaps what you use that is so superior and up-to-date?   

I didn't say a thing about "superior" and/or "up-to-date", please stop implying I said things I did not.

Or, how about a link or something directly to do with the graphic in question?

Did you miss the link I posted to a PDF with a bathymetric map?

Do you, ArMaP, think that it IS the 'secret' entrance to the waterways beneath CONUS?

No.

What is the real reason for this, one might innocently enquire?

I don't really know, as I am not part of the people that gather that information or part of a possible group of people that delays the gathering of that information.

YOUR opinion ONLY, and we sincerely thank you for it.

As usual.

Perhaps you have a list handy of those "other things"...

TV shows, for example.

Or perhaps your Opinion is reflected in your analysis of people that You have
personally interviewed on the subject of "... knowing about the ocean ..."   

Sorry, I don't understand this sentence, but I can tell you that I never interviewed anyone on this or other subject (except people applying for a job on the company where I work).

IMHO, You (again) throw out a dead fish as Gospel from ArMaP, and we question (as always) implied Authority.   .   

No, you just interpret it that way. It may be because of the way I write.

As always, thank you for your time, consideration and participation.   

You're welcome.

[thorfourwinds]

Once again, Sarge knocks out of the park!

GOLD!





tfw
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Elapsed Time since March 11, 2011, 2:46 PM - Fukushima, Japan

1,170 Days = 3 Years, 2 Months, 13 Days

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"In a time of universal deceit
telling the truth is considered a revolutionary act."
George Orwell

[thorfourwinds]

That part that says "Map source", on the top left corner of FlashEarth's page.

Thank you for pointing that out.

I didn't say a thing about "superior" and/or "up-to-date", please stop implying I said things I did not.

How silly of us. We have come to expect You to have "the bee's knees" when it comes to ANY research tool, as evidenced by Your past (exemplary) behavior - virtually Always having THE best photograph...

Did you miss the link I posted to a PDF with a bathymetric map?

Actually, we sidestepped the low-hanging fruit, allowing someOne else to question why You were not addressing the item in question directly and while the 30 year old bathymetric map is interesting, it doesn't assist in the deciphering of the presented graphic, unless, of course, You will share with us how it disproves the existence of the 'entrance' 30 years ago.

No.

Now, we're getting somewhere.

Are you saying that the entrance:

1) Does not exist.

2) Does not exist THERE.

3) The graphic is misleading and those 'formations' are NOT a secret entrance but 'natural' underwater terra-firma.

I don't really know, as I am not part of the people that gather that information or part of a possible group of people that delays the gathering of that information.

Thank you for pointing out that there is "a 'possible' group of people that delays gathering of that information."


Question: Do You know how long the delay (months, years?) is on Google Earth and Bing and Yahoo?

And any other map sources?

Are they all blacked out in certain 'delicate' places?

TV shows, for example.

Good call...sheeple mind control.   

Thank you for the info.

[ArMaP]

How silly of us. We have come to expect You to have "the bee's knees" when it comes to ANY research tool, as evidenced by Your past (exemplary) behavior - virtually Always having THE best photograph...

Photographs are different from computer generated 3D images.

Actually, we sidestepped the low-hanging fruit, allowing someOne else to question why You were not addressing the item in question directly and while the 30 year old bathymetric map is interesting, it doesn't assist in the deciphering of the presented graphic, unless, of course, You will share with us how it disproves the existence of the 'entrance' 30 years ago.

I thought it did, as those lines on the PDF I posted is (let me add "as far as I know", before I am accused of stating things as gospel) are the kind of data that is used to create 3D images like the ones used on Google Earth, as the data gathered is the distance from the ship collecting the data to the bottom of the ocean, so we get a "top-down" view only, and not a real 3D representation.

Are you saying that the entrance:

1) Does not exist.

No, as I don't have information that proves that such an entrance does not exist.

2) Does not exist THERE.

No, as I don't have information that proves that such an entrance does not exist there.

3) The graphic is misleading and those 'formations' are NOT a secret entrance but 'natural' underwater terra-firma.

That's close to what I think, that what we see on that computer generated image is the result of the data (with not enough detail) gathered from natural underwater geological features.

Thank you for pointing out that there is "a 'possible' group of people that delays gathering of that information."

There's always a "possible" everything.

Question: Do You know how long the delay (months, years?) is on Google Earth and Bing and Yahoo?

No, but judging from other images (land images), Google images are the ones that are updated with less frequency, it looks (to me) like they are more worried about updating "popular" areas and ignore all others, that's why the photos Google Earth shows of the town where I live are 5 years old while the photos on Bing Maps are 1 or 2 years old.

And any other map sources?

There aren't many underwater maps, if that's what you're asking about. There are other map sources that use lower resolution (ground) imagery, in January I was working on including satellite photos on a real estate management program I was making, and at the time I looked for more (free) sources but could only find lower resolution images.

Are they all blacked out in certain 'delicate' places?

Didn't see any, but as they are lower resolution maybe there's no need for that.

Good call...sheeple mind control.   

Another thing I remember after writing that is the reason why we are talking about this.

Are we talking about it because we are interested in underwater data or imagery? No, we are discussing it because some people say it may be related to UFOs or government secrets.

Take a look at the forums we have on Pegasus (or the forums on any other site) and we can see forums for UFOs, space exploration, general conspiracy theories, alternative history, sciences and technologies and a few Earth related forums, with fewer posts, and most of those not related to the oceans.

I don't know if it's because the oceans are not our element, but although we have been using them for centuries it looks like we are not that interested in what they really are or what they really hide.

PS: have you got the virus of using capital letters when talking about someOne? 

[spacemaverick]

I see we came back  to the subject of the thread. 

[deuem]

I did go after the low hanging fruit but I can't get there from here.

Dead fish Jokes. Gotta love them dead fish..

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

got the following from:

http://pubs.er.usgs.gov/publication/ofr78305



and:




Now I'm not saying the mound and entrance are man-made or natural...I don't know...just thought it was interesting....

[COSMO]

How deep is this supposed to be?

Cosmo

[deuem]

Sarge, A little wisper from Deuem, "go in side"

I think you will find a red herring.

Have fun!

[ArMaP]

How deep is this supposed to be?

After some searches (and a 20 minutes interruption to vote for the European Parliament) I found a PDF (on this page) according to which, and if I am interpreting this correctly, the top of that "plateau" is 100 metres below the surface.

(click for full size image taken from the PDF)


I don't know if it's possible, but it looks like the above mentioned page has a digital elevation model file that maybe Sgt.Rocknroll can work with.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Sarge, A little wisper from Deuem, "go in side"

I think you will find a red herring.

Have fun!

You're probably right. I just thought it was interesting.

[spacemaverick]

You're probably right. I just thought it was interesting.

A red herring?  Sounds kind of fishy.....

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

My last entry...enjoy

[Amaterasu]

That's close to what I think, that what we see on that computer generated image is the result of the data (with not enough detail) gathered from natural underwater geological features.

Interesting, ArMaP.   Are You certain that They only compile acoustical data from one spot directly downward?  I would think that by now, given all the computing genius We are displaying on this planet, that more data could be handled.  Add to that lasers from space doing mapping - not saying someOne is, but that We surely have that capability - I have to guess that We have have more data available than straight down only.

It is interesting that there appears to be a door back in underneath...  Wonder what data that is displaying........

PS: have you got the virus of using capital letters when talking about someOne? 

Now ArMaP, You know (I presume, since I have said it before on ATS and here) that it is out of respect for Humans as "God" and a Conscious choice I make that I do that.  No need to be disparaging.  [smile]