3D Walking Tour of Aristarchus

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Went to the LROC website which I haven't visited in awhile and started playing around with their new interface (new for me anyway)...
Hope you like it...



edited by Sgt.Rocknroll

[Elvis Hendrix]

Sarge.
Excellent .

[Elvis Hendrix]

When we will we ever know about the fecking moon.
I've spent  8 years of my life going through every photograph and the answers still elude me.
Bloody moon.

[ArMaP]

Nice find. 

I don't know if they have the digital models available, so anyone could do something like that.
I have to look for them.

[ArMaP]

I've spent  8 years of my life going through every photograph and the answers still elude me.

Maybe you asked the wrong questions? 

[thorfourwinds]

Nicely done, as usual, Sarge.   

The ledges in the crater remind us of open pit mines...   

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

The LROC site looks new with all kinds of image formats to choose from. The 3d Live feature says it's experimental but it worked ok for me. I'm going to try the Clementine  feature set. See what I can come up with.

[rdunk]

The LROC site looks new with all kinds of image formats to choose from. The 3d Live feature says it's experimental but it worked ok for me. I'm going to try the Clementine  feature set. See what I can come up with.

Of course you know, you will need to ask ArMaP for any "REAL MOON PHOTOS" for this work! aArMaP  is the is the only person living that has the true moon photos. Anytime we post some type of moon anomaly, we always find out that our "official" photo sources just do not have the "real photos"!!  

[ArMaP]

Of course you know, you will need to ask ArMaP for any "REAL MOON PHOTOS" for this work! aArMaP  is the is the only person living that has the true moon photos. Anytime we post some type of moon anomaly, we always find out that our "official" photo sources just do not have the "real photos"!!

I don't think I ever talked about "official" photo sources, only about "original" photos, but I may be wrong.

And those sources are as public as the rest, why not choose the original images instead of second or third generation images?

PS: in this case, the LROC site is the official site, and it has access to the original photos.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

I have learned my lesson, having made a really nice model of a craft sitting in a crater. Everyone loved it. Until I discovered the original photo not a rescan poor resolution copy and my craft turns out to be a pile of rocks!!!!

Original photos are always the best and high resolution is preferrable.


That's just me.


There are anomalies but they're hard to find. Sometimes a rock is just a rock.

[rdunk]

I was just kidding with ArMaP! 

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

 

[Vandalis]

Hey, haven't posted in a while but this caught my interest

Only problem I have with the majority of  images is that most of them are taken at an angle by the satalites , then they get flattened before being saved, amongst other things. So from x degrees to top down view.  Thus any towers or tall stuctures that would normaly poke out and are too big for the normal techniques are now flat land or blobs. Then they use these 2d flattened images and paste them onto a pre rendered model for using with globes and other  3d models

Best example for me is that I found the location of where the "shard" is on most of the original or high def images I can find, even found it on Google earth lol. But its been flattend into the ground in most cases. It should be sticking out above the surface and clearly visible on the new imagery. Now its a "shard" shaped splodge that blends in with the surrounding hills. So although I was excited to find it I didn't want to post it till I found something better to show plus the reactions to a blob wouldn't be too good aha. It was kind of a hobby to find it lol , you can kinda see the "cube" too. Its actually on a crater ridge in the background and not floating. I have 3 possibles that each look like rectangle towers with tops, I have to try to get the angle of the shard with the cross mark to lead me In the right direction and find the right one.

If u look for them in the older images it pokes out and u cant miss it. If you zoom in anyway

And u cant really trust the newer images because there not new. There the original HD images from the older satalites  basically re-released as new but its what they were truley capable of back then. And they've had plenty of time to play with them.

At least that's what I think aha.

[ArMaP]

Only problem I have with the majority of  images is that most of them are taken at an angle by the satalites , then they get flattened before being saved, amongst other things.

No, they are not flattened, why do you say that?

But the photos are map-projected, which is not the same thing (it's different and much more complex) as "flattening".

So from x degrees to top down view.

The "x degrees" are usually close to 90, so it's already a top down view, as those are the right conditions for mapping.

Thus any towers or tall stuctures that would normaly poke out and are too big for the normal techniques are now flat land or blobs.

If you take a photo of your face your nose will appear as flat as any towers or structures.

Then they use these 2d flattened images and paste them onto a pre rendered model for using with globes and other  3d models

The 3D models are created based on height data gathered by the satellites, either by using laser ranging equipment (like Clementine did) or by using stereo photos (like HiRISE and Mars Express with Mars photos or LROC with Moon photos), and the images mapped onto the 3D model are, in all cases I know, taken by the same satellite, to be as close to the height data as possible.

Best example for me is that I found the location of where the "shard" is on most of the original or high def images I can find, even found it on Google earth lol.

I think that would be an interesting thread.

And u cant really trust the newer images because there not new. There the original HD images from the older satalites  basically re-released as new but its what they were truley capable of back then. And they've had plenty of time to play with them.

No, they are not the old images, there are several noticeable differences.

[Vandalis]

Of course you know, you will need to ask ArMaP for any "REAL MOON PHOTOS" for this work! aArMaP  is the is the only person living that has the true moon photos. Anytime we post some type of moon anomaly, we always find out that our "official" photo sources just do not have the "real photos"!!  

Hes our Scully, keeping us from going to high into the clouds with a gentle pull back to earth.

Hehe, i new it wouldn't take long for you to show up Armap,

Yeah im trying to explain what I mean when I say there flattened but cant find the right words for it. As for the computer models, like I said if there was an anomaly causing a huge point on the map they wouldn't leave it on the computer model so it makes it hard when Im looking for specific features.

When I say old images what I mean is that there not really from the LRO. The older satellites had far better resolution than what people were told and were in full colour, they couldn't release them way back then not only for what was on them but because it would give away the capabilities of not only the moon satellites but earth based spy satellites too. You don't want your enemies knowing how good your tech is. Hell even the Hasselblad cameras on Apollo had top secret fibre optic components.

Most other countries like china/indea ect, have been using such images. Some are too lazy and just use a model.

If u really want to see what's on the moon id ask japan. The have got copies of all the original nasa photos from all missions with all the goodies intact before all the "airbrushing" and such.  As in the real deal ufo's and all collection. I doubt we will ever see them. One or two did get out though.

Having said that, I want the other million or so images even nasa hasn't got round to releasing yet. Think  one of those nasa guys has the rights where he can choose to hold onto any Images he chooses and not release them or something. Didn't the American public pay for all that? Oh well

In the end there not much we can do without the real deal. For example I could find the biggest best anomaly ever and it would only take someone posting another images of the same area that doesn't show it to end it all. I see it happen all the time. People get a jesus complex just because they think they found the smoking gun. And boy do they get angry when u can try telling them its nothing. And some of these are really obvious. Makes the rest of us look bad ahah

Ive done it myself back when I started lol It can put people off a little. I usually just keep em to myself until im sure its something worthwhile or someone else notices them. You do get a lot better and spotting them over time. I went back to view the old Copernicus images last week and wow was I supprised at all the new details I could see.

Oh yeah im still working on the angles on the shard ill have to get all the images again to look the the areas I need. Google moon only helps with the overall scene and overview. I did have it all done and edited together to show it but someone's stole my moon images folder again. Second time that happened. 

Anyhow I've rambled on enough think its time to go, got work in the morning