Roswell UFO crash: what really happened 67 years ago?

[astr0144]

Roswell UFO crash: what really happened 67 years ago?


The mysterious crash-landing in Roswell, New Mexico is seen as the ultimate landmark event in UFO history
LAST UPDATED AT 14:26 ON Mon 7 Jul 2014
It has been 67 years since an unidentified object crashed on a ranch near Roswell, New Mexico, fuelling speculation about alien life forms that still exists today.




The incident is seen as the ultimate landmark event in UFO history, and provides the basis of an industry that has spawned multiple books and films, sustains two museums at the town of Roswell and an annual UFO festival. So what really happened on that ranch in July 1947?

What was reported at the time?
On 8 July 1947 Roswell Army Air Field (RAAF) issued a press release stating that a "flying disk" had crashed on a ranch near Roswell during a powerful storm. Later in the day, as government scientists arrived in the area, the story appeared to change. A press conference was held and it was stated instead that a weather balloon had crashed. Reporters were shown debris said to be taken from the crash area, such as foil, rubber and wood, which appeared to confirm that the object had been a weather balloon. The incident then went largely unreported for 30 years.

What happened in the 1970s?
In 1978, Stanton Friedman, a nuclear-physicist and UFO researcher, interviewed Major Jesse Marcel Sr, who was said to be the first military officer to investigate the wreckage. Marcel suspected that the debris he recovered in 1947 was "not of this world". He believed he had found an alien spacecraft and that his superiors had covered it up. His claims were later published in the National Enquirer and led to the publication of the 1980 book The Roswell Incident, with more witnesses coming out to support his story.

What have other witnesses said?
Several people claimed to see debris scattered over a wide area and at least one person reported seeing a blazing aircraft in the sky shortly before it crashed. One former mortician, Glenn Dennis, claimed in 1989 that a friend who worked as a nurse at the Roswell Army Air Field had accidentally walked into an examination room where doctors were bent over the bodies of three creatures. They apparently resembled humans, but with small bodies, spindly arms and giant bald heads. In 1995, Ray Santilli, a London-based entrepreneur, claimed to release footage of an alien autopsy performed in Roswell in 1947. Experts immediately ridiculed the footage as a hoax and he admitted years later that it was almost entirely fake. Nevertheless, Santilli insisted real footage existed, but due to its poor condition he had been forced to recreate it. Critics have questioned the validity of various witnesses and pointed out that many claims over the years have come from "friends of friends" who supposedly saw something out of the ordinary.

How do US officials explain the 'bodies'?
In the 1990s, the Pentagon revealed that the object in Roswell was not an ordinary weather balloon after all. It said the debris found at Roswell came from a 700ft-string of weather balloons, radar reflectors and acoustic sensors that formed part of a top-secret experiment to eavesdrop on Soviet nuclear weapons tests. The balloons had been launched on 4 June 1947 in an experiment called Project Mogul, it said. A second report, released in 1997, concluded that reports of alien bodies actually related to life-sized anthropomorphic test dummies.



http://www.theweek.co.uk/us/59331/roswell-ufo-crash-what-really-happened-67-years-ago

[onetruekeeper]

I have seen so many versions of this story that I don't know what to believe...LOL

[A51Watcher]

I have seen so many versions of this story that I don't know what to believe...LOL

Having a hard time sorting things out OTK?

Perhaps I can help.

[Amaterasu]

I'm here to vouch for the high likelihood that A51 is able to help.  [smile]

[Sinny]

I don't think it was aliens.

[A51Watcher]

I don't think it was aliens.

So then you discount all the testimony of the military men who had first hand contact with the craft and bodies?

Not a reasonable conclusion without explanation Sin.

[Sinny]

So then you discount all the testimony of the military men who had first hand contact with the craft and bodies?

Not a reasonable conclusion without explanation Sin.

Military men are paid and trained follow orders, Watcher..

I think Aliens are the least suspect when you take into account how many human beings were operating so called UFO's at the time..

[Sinny]

P.s Are you lending credence to Corso etc?

[Sinny]

So then you discount all the testimony of the military men who had first hand contact with the craft and bodies?

Not a reasonable conclusion without explanation Sin.

Do you discount the testimony of President Clinton? 

I got a letter from 13-year-old Ryan from Belfast. Now, Ryan, if you're out in the crowd tonight, here's the answer to your question. No, as far as I know, an alien spacecraft did not crash in Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947. (Laughter.) And, Ryan, if the United States Air Force did recover alien bodies, they didn't tell me about it, either, and I want to know"

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=xIqnXu8ZcE0C&pg=PA1815&lpg=PA1815&dq=I+got+a+letter+from+13-year-old+Ryan+from+Belfast.+Now,+Ryan,+if+you%E2%80%99re+out+in+the+crowd+tonight,+here%E2%80%99s+the+answer+to+your+question.+No,+as+far+as+I+know,+an+alien+spacecraft+did+not+crash+in+Roswell,+New+Mexico,+in+1947.+(Laughter.)+And,+Ryan,+if+the+United+States+Air+Force+did+recover+alien+bodies,+they+didn%E2%80%99t+tell+me+about+it,+either,+and+I+want+to+know&source=bl&ots=Tfavbqx7Je&sig=_glox12ignHZGDgt6Y8_lCF7y_c&hl=en&sa=X&ei=snXrU4j1Ouzy7Ab6vIG4Dg&ved=0CCIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=I%20got%20a%20letter%20from%2013-year-old%20Ryan%20from%20Belfast.%20Now%2C%20Ryan%2C%20if%20you%E2%80%99re%20out%20in%20the%20crowd%20tonight%2C%20here%E2%80%99s%20the%20answer%20to%20your%20question.%20No%2C%20as%20far%20as%20I%20know%2C%20an%20alien%20spacecraft%20did%20not%20crash%20in%20Roswell%2C%20New%20Mexico%2C%20in%201947.%20(Laughter.)%20And%2C%20Ryan%2C%20if%20the%20United%20States%20Air%20Force%20did%20recover%20alien%20bodies%2C%20they%20didn%E2%80%99t%20tell%20me%20about%20it%2C%20either%2C%20and%20I%20want%20to%20know&f=false

[A51Watcher]

Do you discount the testimony of President Clinton? 

He wasn't there.

And he doesn't have clearance for that information, or a need to know.



And no I wasn't referring to Corso.


I was instead referring to... lets see for starters -

Pappy Henderson

Walter Haut

Col. Blanchard


And several others.

[Sinny]

Pappy Henderson

A Pilot who told his wife and daughter, and a dentist (  ) that since the Roswell Alien story was printed in the papers in 1981 he felt he could finally tell his story. aha. Wasn't the alien story reported in the newspaper in 1947 BEFORE the balloon story? Therefore if it was the 'media's' authority he was waiting on he had it from the start. He claims to have kept some of the saucer debris, and yet no body can produce it.

Mary Sappho Henderson:

In 1980 or 1981, he picked up a newspaper at a grocery store where we were living in San Diego. One article described the crash of a UFO outside Roswell, with the bodies of aliens discovered beside the craft. He pointed out the article to me and said, "I want you to read this article, because it's a true story. I'm the pilot who flew the wreckage of the UFO to Dayton, Ohio [home of Wright Field]. I guess now that they're putting it in the paper, I can tell you about this. I wanted to tell you for years."

Mary Kathryn Goode

In 1981, during a visit to my parents' home, my father showed me a newspaper article which described the crash of a UFO and the recovery of alien bodies outside Roswell, New Mexico. He told me that he saw the crashed craft and the alien bodies described in the article, and that he had flown the wreckage to Ohio. He described the alien beings as small and pale, with slanted eyes and large heads. He said they were humanoid- looking, but different from us. I think he said there were three bodies. 

He said the matter had been Top Secret and that he was not supposed to discuss it with anyone, but that he felt it was alright to tell me because it was in the newspaper.

Stanton Friedman
Crash At Corona, 125-128

http://www.nicap.org/pappy.htm

Okay, so his story basically matches Corso's and had been pushed by Freidman.

No points for credibilty by my books.

Walter Haut

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Haut

Same story as Corso.

Col. Blanchard

Was responsible with Walter Haut for 'leaking' the saucer story to the media, before it was 'retracted', not before the 'damage' was done tho.
Went on to have a successful career as Vice Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force - regardless of the fact he can't be trusted with 'National Security Secrets'  .

The orange is something I'd like to hear explanantion for..

[A51Watcher]

A Pilot who told his wife and daughter, and a dentist (  ) that since the Roswell Alien story was printed in the papers in 1981 he felt he could finally tell his story. aha. Wasn't the alien story reported in the newspaper in 1947 BEFORE the balloon story?

No. The Roswell -Alien- story was not printed in the newspapers in 1947.

Flying Saucers were reported in the papers, not aliens.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=329.0

Therefore if it was the 'media's' authority he was waiting on he had it from the start.

Not the case - see above.

Okay, so his story basically matches Corso's and had been pushed by Freidman.

No points for credibilty by my books.

Ah since you don't like Friedman, then you reject testimony printed by Friedman.


Then how about hearing from his wife? -

Same story as Corso.

If you look a little closer, (I know, wiki summarys are tissue thin) you can see it is not the same story as Corso, also it was released long before Corso -

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=5692.0

Was responsible with Walter Haut for 'leaking' the saucer story to the media,

Was not a leak, was an official press release ordered by his Commander -

"The story I put out was very simple, to the effect that we had, in our possession a flying saucer. It was found on a ranch up north of Roswell. It was being flown to General Ramey's office.

The information was given to me, almost verbatim, by Colonel Blanchard.

He said, "I want you to give it to the local newspapers and radio stations, and do it post haste" ... The cover-up was pretty well orchestrated. I think the thought of handling it that way came down from Washington, through channels." - Walter Haut


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=813.msg7056#msg7056


"The many rumors regarding the flying disc became a reality yesterday when the intelligence office of the 509th Bomb Group of the Eighth Air Force, Roswell Army Airfield was fortunate enough to gain possession of a disc through the cooperation of one of the local ranchers and the sheriff's office of Chaves County.

The flying object landed on a ranch near Roswell sometime last week. Not having phone facilities, the rancher stored the disc until such time as he was able to contact the sheriff's office, who in turn notified Maj. Jesse A. Marcel of the 509th Bomb Group Intelligence Office.

Action was immediately taken and the disc was picked up at the rancher's home. It was inspected at the Roswell Army Air Field and subsequently loaned by Major Marcel to higher headquarters."

...before it was 'retracted', not before the 'damage' was done tho.

There was no damage done because it was premeditated misdirection.

The retraction was also planned and timed.


Here Walter Haut explains, in his sealed affidavit to only be released upon his death, the reasoning for such misdirection... handed down directly from the Pentagon -

"In July, 1947, I was stationed at the Roswell Army Air Base in Roswell, New Mexico, serving as the base Public Information Officer. I had spent the 4th of July weekend (Saturday, the 5th, and Sunday, the 6th) at my private residence about 10 miles north of the base, which was located south of town.

I was aware that someone had reported the remains of a downed vehicle by midmorning after my return to duty at the base on Monday, July 7. I was aware that Major Jesse A. Marcel, head of intelligence, was sent by the base commander, Col. William Blanchard, to investigate.

By late in the afternoon that same day, I would learn that additional civilian reports came in regarding a second site just north of Roswell. I would spend the better part of the day attending to my regular duties hearing little if anything more.

On Tuesday morning, July 8, I would attend the regularly scheduled staff meeting at 7:30 a.m.

Besides Blanchard,
Marcel;
CIC [Counterintelligence Corp] Capt. Sheridan Cavitt;
Col. James I. Hopkins, the operations officer;
Lt. Col. Ulysses S. Nero, the supply officer;
and from Carswell AAF in Fort Worth, Texas, Blanchard's boss, Brig. Gen. Roger Ramey
and his chief of staff, Col. Thomas J. Dubose were also in attendance.

The main topic of discussion was reported by Marcel and Cavitt regarding an extensive debris field in Lincoln County approx. 75 miles NW of Roswell.

A preliminary briefing was provided by Blanchard about the second site approx. 40 miles north of town.

Samples of wreckage were passed around the table. It was unlike any material I had or have ever seen in my life. Pieces which resembled metal foil, paper thin yet extremely strong, and pieces with unusual markings along their length were handled from man to man, each voicing their opinion. No one was able to identify the crash debris.

One of the main concerns discussed at the meeting was whether we should go public or not with the discovery.

Gen. Ramey proposed a plan, which I believe originated from his bosses at the Pentagon. Attention needed to be diverted from the more important site north of town by acknowledging the other location. Too many civilians were already involved and the press already was informed. I was not completely informed how this would be accomplished.

At approximately 9:30 a.m. Col. Blanchard phoned my office and dictated the press release of having in our possession a flying disc, coming from a ranch northwest of Roswell, and Marcel flying the material to higher headquarters. I was to deliver the news release to radio stations KGFL and KSWS, and newspapers the Daily Record and the Morning Dispatch.

By the time the news release hit the wire services, my office was inundated with phone calls from around the world. Messages stacked up on my desk, and rather than deal with the media concern, Col Blanchard suggested that I go home and "hide out."

Before leaving the base, Col. Blanchard took me personally to Building 84 [AKA Hangar P-3], a B-29 hangar located on the east side of the tarmac. Upon first approaching the building, I observed that it was under heavy guard both outside and inside.

Once inside, I was permitted from a safe distance to first observe the object just recovered north of town. It was approx. 12 to 15 feet in length, not quite as wide, about 6 feet high, and more of an egg shape. Lighting was poor, but its surface did appear metallic. No windows, portholes, wings, tail section, or landing gear were visible.

Also from a distance, I was able to see a couple of bodies under a canvas tarpaulin. Only the heads extended beyond the covering, and I was not able to make out any features. The heads did appear larger than normal and the contour of the canvas suggested the size of a 10 year old child. At a later date in Blanchard's office, he would extend his arm about 4 feet above the floor to indicate the height.

I was informed of a temporary morgue set up to accommodate the recovered bodies.

I was informed that the wreckage was not "hot" (radioactive).

Upon his return from Fort Worth, Major Marcel described to me taking pieces of the wreckage to Gen. Ramey's office and after returning from a map room, finding the remains of a weather balloon and radar kite substituted while he was out of the room. Marcel was very upset over this situation. We would not discuss it again.

I would be allowed to make at least one visit to one of the recovery sites during the military cleanup. I would return to the base with some of the wreckage which I would display in my office.

I was aware two separate teams would return to each site months later for periodic searches for any remaining evidence.

I am convinced that what I personally observed was some type of craft and its crew from outer space."


Signed,

Lt. Walter Haut, Ret.


[Source: Tom Carey & Donald Schmitt, Witness to Roswell, 2007]



As to Col. Blanchard -


"Lytle told Hastings that in February 1953, with Blanchard now a general officer, they were in Alaska while Lytle's wife was in Chicago about to give birth. Lytle was desperate to get home and Blanchard said that they could take an Air Force aircraft to Illinois, land at one of the bases close to Chicago and Lytle could get home from there.

While on the flight, somehow the subject of UFOs came up, maybe because of a couple of sightings at Elmendorf Air Force Base near Anchorage sometime earlier. Blanchard then told Lytle that an alien craft had crashed near Roswell. According to Hastings, Blanchard told Lytle that four bodies had been recovered.

Surprised by this, Hastings asked Lytle, "Blanchard actually told you that the Roswell object was an alien spacecraft."

Lytle said, "Oh, absolutely."


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=329.msg2694#msg2694



LeMay was very well-acquainted with Roswell Army Air Field Base Commander Butch Blanchard. Blanchard oversaw the base at the time of the Roswell crash event in 1947.

It is believed that Blanchard helped issue the original press release on the crash - which prompted the famous resulting headline "RAAF Captures Flying Saucer on Ranch in Roswell Region."

Blanchard told Art McQuiddy, editor of the Roswell Morning Dispatch in 1947, "I'll tell you this and nothing more - the stuff I saw I'd never seen anyplace else in my life."

In LeMay's 1965 biography "Mission with LeMay" he admits. "There is not a question about it: these were things which we could not tie in with any natural phenomena known to our investigators."


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=754.msg6583#msg6583



Let's add some Werner von Braun to the mix -

During the periodic MFA (Manned Flight Awareness) meetings that were held at Cocoa Beach, I was able to talk freely and briefly with such scientists, particularly Dr. von Braun.

"On one such occasion, he and I had taken a break and stepped out of the Cocoa Beach Ramada Inn into the back patio. I admitted that I was aware that he and his German Scientific team were located not too far from the crash site at that time. They were launching captured V-2 rockets from the White Sands Testing Range.

On this night, I asked him a question concerning the Roswell Incident that caused his eyebrows to raise.

Did the Roswell Incident in fact happen, was an alien craft recovered along with alien bodies? Did you have a chance to go to the crash site?"

Von Braun lit a cigarette, thought for a second, and then began to discuss the crash openly.

He trusted me to hear such astonishing events because I vowed to not report it to newspapers, magazines, television, etc. I never broke that vow. Since he is deceased, and the incident happened over fifty years ago, I am now disclosing what I heard...

Dr. von Braun explained how he and his associates had been taken to the crash site after most of the military were pulled back. They did a quick analysis of what they found.

He told me the craft did not appear to be made of metal as we know metal on earth. He said it seemed to be created from something biological, like skin. I was lost as to what he indicated, other than thinking perhaps the craft was "alive."

The recovered bodies were temporarily being kept in a nearby medical tent. They were small, very frail and had large heads. Their eyes were large. Their skin was grayish and reptilian in texture. He said it looked similar to the skin texture of rattle snakes he'd seen several times at White Sands.

His inspection of the debris had even him puzzled: very thin, aluminum colored, like silvery chewing gum wrappers. Very light and extremely strong.

The interior of the craft was nearly bare of equipment, as if the creatures and craft were part of a single unit.

That's when I became lost in the moment. We returned to the awards ceremony, in which he participated, later bidding farewell. I went home with my head spinning from all I had heard."

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=329.msg2656#msg2656

[A51Watcher]

Oh forgot to mention the reason for the press release in the first place, and later retraction.

It was to throw spies off the trail of the craft and bodies crash site, and redirect them to the already known and rumored debris field.


The retraction was issued after the craft and bodies were secured.

[astr0144]

Unsolved Mysteries, The Roswell Incident.

I just watched Unsolved Mysteries who shown their version of the Roswell Incident...

It seems quite a good shortened version of the much variations that get discussed on it...

If what is said is truth..I did release or recall that it was 3 days after the discovery by the land owner before it was reported....

The Barney Burnett claim of his Saucer discovery is also covered...

I want to also post this in its own thread for ease of finding it...if it is not already posted by other members or A51 Watcher..

I have not watched all this video as the Part that I watched on TV is covered in the first 20 minutes...
I can see there is some other material covered also that also shows Bob Lazar....Not sure if thats part of the same story that did not get shown on the TV program...or may be shown in a future show..

[Sinny]

Hi Astro,

Unfortunately I'm away from PC quite a lot, so there I only so much I can offer at the moment. The Roswell 'diclosure' does not sit well with me for reasons all ready mentioned.. And I'm not sure the 'diversion' tactic of the location eases those feelings for me.

Von Brauns comments do interest me in regards to biological matter.

As a side note, from following one of A51's links the other day, after being told by A51 I was 'cherry picking' facts... I noticed that him and Pimander did in fact state that when they say ET, they actually mean anything non-human.

Which confuses this arguement further.

My main alternative interest is UFO & 'ET', so no doubt I'll be back with some more input.