Roswell UFO crash: what really happened 67 years ago?

[astr0144]

Hi Sinny,

I respect your view..

I have not studied Roswell in real detail, but I am aware of many things about it...and I can see arguements on either side. and there seems so many claim to have witnessed so many different things...Then we get the arguements that suggest alternatives or other theories as to what it may have been like the balloon and dummy theory...along with all the suggestions that the USA may have obtained Alien technology to scare of Russia or use it as a cover story..

ALL could be very possible..

BUT when A51 Watcher showed that there were many other UFO sightings around that time elsewhere around the USA or World... then that as far as I am aware little known to the mass public...

Those involved seem quite credible witnesses...and all seemed to say it was NOT human technology and that the beings were Alien Like.

I personally think that the acceleration in technology since Roswell in particular seems to hard to believe that its down to human thought and abilities alone..so I certainly could accpet Alien intervention in aiding our fast progress.. even though only 150 years ago electricity had not even become the norm....but there were admittedly  some remakable technology in past history that was purely mechanical.... that could even be questionable was it with Aid off other technolgy...IMO

This is one for thought... Charles Hall said when he worked at Area 51.... the  young tall whites used to play with weather balloons in their craft like a ping pong game... bouncing it from one craft to another !....

Could the Roswell Balloon theory have had anything to do with this or was C. Hall planting a seed to maybe make a new theory... true or false,  for people to later consider if it becomes more well known...Thats was my own later thoughts about it...He know also talks about his connections with dealing with the greys...

[Sinny]

In the U.S. Army's cache of declassified documents released via FOIA in 1994, you will find a 339 page collection of documents available on the U.S. Army website.

The bulk of those documents consisted of the U.S. Army's investigation into the origins of "flying saucer" research in Germany, originating with the research of the "Horten Brothers" – Walter and Reimar Horton who developed advanced "flying wings" for Germany during the 1940s. The interesting fact about those investigations was that the timeline has a direct link to that of the Roswell crash in July of 1947.

On July 8, 1947, the public information office of the Roswell Air Field made the now-famous announcement that they'd recovered a "flying disc". This announcement was, just as famously, recanted. Everything that followed is shrouded in mystery, allegations of cover-up, and fabrications, lies and baseless conclusions on the part of both skeptics and believers.

However, the Army CIC documents provide some interesting clues as to what was really going on inside the military immediately following the event. The reality is that the UFO sightings throughout 1947 and 1948 triggered a massive investigation into the work of German scientists during WWII on secret flying saucers.

After a couple of letters in July from German scientists claiming that they had a part to play in the "invention" of the flying saucer as a weapon, one of the first very intriguing letters arrived on August 5th of 1947 at Frankfurt. The letter was signed by a "Guida Bernardy" (some references state Guido Bernardy).

Documents like these are not cited often by many Ufologists, because they don't support the party line that aliens crash-landed in Roswell. Bernardy's letter tells another tale, but no less eerie or strange. He opened the letter as follows:
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"During the war, as I was attached to the 2nd A.d.N., I heard of a Professor Maurer who conducted atom experiments for the OKM at the Krim Peninsula."

He went on to explain that the tests were to find a way to use atomic power as a propellant, first to achieve greater distance with missiles, but also later to create a "combat-ready weapon" – discs that were equipped to deliver a nuclear payload to "New York, California, Texas, Wisconsin, and nine more states at a determined point in time".

According to Bernardy:
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"The secret work file ran under the name of 'SCHITORIT'. This was developed by IG Farben [a German company] and manufactured. Six of these bombs were found by the USA in Germany. They were built by Krupp and partly by Blohm and Voss [German Companies]."

Bernardy came across with some crazy claims, but he proved the weight of his words by telling the Army something that was supposed to be a closely guarded secret by the U.S. government at the time – the development of the nuclear bomb.
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"The bomb, called by the USA, the 'great A-Bomb', is now being manufactured in two plants located in Ohio and New York State. It is the size of an apple and used as a throwbomb. It's effective range is 600 km."

How close to reality was this? Well, in 1947, the U.S. Government established the Mound Plant in Ohio for the development of the explosive components inside of nuclear weapons.

In fact, he described exactly how much plutonium was used inside of nuclear weapons – approximately an amount the size of an apple.

It isn't entirely clear whether the sudden interest in UFOs by the Army was sparked by the volume of letters from German scientists mentioning the development of Flying Disc technology in Germany during the war, or some other reason. What is clear is that interest was sparked.

In fact, one memo dated October 28th, 1947 from the 970th Counter Intelligence Corps Detachment, European Command, represents one of the very few official U.S. Army documents that confirms not only the overwhelming presence of sightings of flying discs in the U.S., but also the fact that such flying saucers were known to have existed in Germany.

The memo reads:
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"The Air Materiel Command is of the opinion that some sort of object, such as the flying saucer, did exist. At present time, construction models are being built for wind tunnel tests."

This, by the way, is a clear admission that flying saucers were housed at Wright Field, Ohio — meaning that the claims out there by some former USAF veterans that they had seen such a craft housed at Wright Patterson could very well be true. What isn't true, is that they were extra-terrestrial. They were made by humans — proved by this document.

An AIR INTELLIGENCE report makes it clear that the Army was aware of the sightings throughout the U.S. of these craft — but the lack of information and the presence of the investigation itself implies that the Army never had possession of any such craft. Instead, the investigation shows that the Army was actively seeking to discover where the sighted discs originated from.
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An alleged "Flying saucer" type aircraft or object in flight approximately the shape of a disc has been reported by many observers from widely [indecipherable] places, such as the United States, Alaska, Canada, Hungary, the Island of Guam, Japan, etc. This object has been reported by many competent observers. Sightings have been made from the ground as well as from the air."

The document then detailed common characteristics from sightings of the unknown craft. Namely, flat bottomed and highly light-reflective, absence of sound, ability to quickly maneuver and hover, the ability to completely disappear or disintegrate or appear without warning from high-altitude.


The document described the first U.S. sightings of the discs as occurring in the middle of June, and most notably, the document describes the time period known as the Roswell Crash.
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The greatest activity in the U.S. was during the last week of June and the first week of July.

What appeared to unnerve investigators was the fact that the known German technology – developed originally by the Horton Brothers, had fallen into the hands of the Russians, while the Americans had obtained the bulk of the V-2 missile technology and scientists.
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A Horten design known as the IX, which was designated as the Go-8-222 and Go-F-60 (night fighter) was to be manufactured by the Gotha Plant. [...] This plant is now in the hands of the Russians."

The search for anyone associated with the Horten Brothers eventually turned up some interesting information.

One SECRET document from Colonel Wentworth, Chief of the Operations Branch, states with no uncertainty that flying saucers were real. In this document, the Colonel admitted that Wright Field, Ohio was actively trying to generate models of the sighted crafts – an apparent effort to reverse-engineer the craft.
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As a guide in constructing the [WRIGHT FIELD] models, descriptions from various persons who claimed to have sighted these objects were used. The Air Materiel Command is of the opinion that some soft of object, such as the flying saucer, did exist."

It has been misreported elsewhere that the Army was trying to locate the Horten brothers. The truth was that the Army was trying to locate any and all information about flying saucer designs, regardless who invented them. The Horten Brothers designs were the strongest lead at the time, but investigators were clearly interested in identifying the source of the flying saucers being sighted all around the United States during 1947.

In November of 1947, all field offices in Germany advised agents to "canvass your area for possible identity of aircraft specialists or test pilots known in your area with such knowledge. This canvass is to be made discreetly and to conceal our interest in the subject."

The result of that massive canvassing by field agents turned up a mix of results – from some sources saying that such craft and experiments never expanded beyond the glider stage, while other sources insisted the Germans had evolved the design to use jets. Agents even obtained rough sketches of those craft.

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ROSWELL


In the 1995 Air Force report titled "The Roswell Report – Fact versus Fiction in the New Mexico Desert", it is stated that there was in fact a "UFO Wave of 1947?, but that at the time, the Roswell event was not even considered one of those events until 1980.
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What was later characterized as "the UFO Wave of 1947? began with 16 alleged sightings that occurred between May 17 and July 12, 1947. [...] Interestingly, the "Roswell Incident" was not considered one of these 1947 events until the 1978-1980 time frame. There is no dispute however, that something happened near Roswell in July, 1947, since it was reported in a number of contemporary newspaper articles."

Major Jesse Marcel, who claimed to have recovered a "flying disc" from range land in July of 1947, was stationed at Roswell Army Air Field. One would expect that if the recovered object was in fact an alien spacecraft, subsequent declassified Army documents released years later that mentioned the 1947 Flying Discs would finally reveal what the Army knew about the discs at the time.

Yet, none of these do. Instead, the documents all reveal investigators throughout the U.S. Army scrambling throughout Germany to try and uncover where those flying discs appearing in the sky were actually coming from.

A good example is the memo from October of 1948, three months after the Roswell incident, where the author writes about "...An alleged 'Flying saucer' type aircraft or object" being sighted throughout the country. The author clearly still did not know the origin of the discs, what they were, or where they came from. If the Roswell crash was that of a flying disc, these documents wouldn't refer to them as such a mystery.

In fact, the claim that the military is trying to "cover up" the existence of flying saucers is silly. I repeat, from the November 1947 memo from the Headquarters of the 970th Counter Intelligence Corps to the Army Commanding Officer of the CIC Region, which clearly stated:
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"However, higher headquarters have notified this headquarters that the Air Material Command is of the opinion that some sort of object, such as the flying saucer, did exist."

The mystery that remains, after reviewing the 300+ pages in this FOIA release, is not actually whether the U.S. Army knew what these flying saucer sightings were in 1947 (they clearly didn't), but whether they ever discovered whether some foreign government, like the Soviet Union, was actively sending supersonic aircraft into American airspace throughout 1947.

http://www.topsecretwriters.com/2014/09/us-army-hunted-ufos-wwii/

Author is not the best at writing apparently lol
But his take on it is...
If they discovered Aliens in 1947, then future Army docs would elude to the fact that they had already discovered their origin...
Rather than their origin remaining a mystery.

[Sinny]

http://www.topsecretwriters.com/2014/09/us-army-hunted-ufos-wwii/

But his take on it is...
If they discovered Aliens in 1947, then future Army docs would elude to the fact that they had already discovered their origin...
Rather than their origin remaining a mystery.

To further support my hypothesis:

A missing Pentacle

In Forbidden Science (1992), Jacques Vallee, who was the inspiration for one of the main characters in Spielberg's Close Encounters of the Third Kind, reports how in 1967 he found Allen Hynek's UFO files to be in serious disarray. On Sunday, June 18, 1967, Vallee tried to restore some order in the files and "found a letter which is especially remarkable because of the new light it throws on the key period of the Robertson Panel and of Report #14". This was the report that was also at the core of Leon Davidson's enquiries and which made him conclude that the US government were using UFOs as part of a psychological warfare exercise. 

Jacques Vallee

The report Vallee found was stamped, in red ink: "SECRET – Security Information" and dated January 9, 1953. Vallee has nicknamed the man who signed it "Pentacle", arguing it was not up to him to reveal his name. Since, others have named Pentacle. What was never withheld was that the memo was addressed to Miles E. Coll at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, for transmittal to Captain Ruppelt, the government's lead investigator – as far as the public was concerned – on UFOs. 

Vallee read how the opening paragraph established that prior to the top-level 1953 Robertson Panel, somebody had analysed thousands of UFO cases on behalf of the US government. The document noted that the majority of these case reports were found lacking in several aspects, and that the panel should thus ideally be postponed. Failing such postponement, a list had to be created about what the five specialists that would serve on the panel could and should not discuss. To quote Vallee: "the representatives of this top-level research group were against convening the Robertson Panel!" But in the end, they could not stop the formation of the panel, which was chaired by HP Robertson, physicist from California Institute of Technology and would go down into history as "the Robertson Panel". The other four members were Luis Alvarez, Nobel prize in physics; Lloyd Berkner, space scientist; Sam Goudsmit, nuclear physicist at Brookhaven National Laboratory and Thornton Page, astronomer.

When Vallee read the memorandum, he noticed that there were references to a Project Stork, which Vallee had not come across before. The project seemed to be a key determinant in what the panel could discuss – and what not, i.e. what would be kept away from the panel. By preselecting the evidence, the conclusion the scientists would reach could thus be known in advance. It is a well-established practice that is employed in all government enquiries, but which continues to bedazzle the public, who realise the commission's conclusions are never in line with the truth. This is largely not the fact of the commission, but of the evidence the commission is presented with. If you do not get to see a smoking gun, you can you comment on it?

Of more interest was that the project Stork team had identified pockets of high UFO activity and recommended that these should be specifically studied. But they also added that many different types of aerial activity should be secretly and purposefully scheduled within the area. To quote Vallee: "what these people were recommending was nothing less than a carefully calibrated and monitored simulation of an entire UFO wave."

Allen Hynek

Upon reading this memo, Vallee drew the conclusion that the scientists on the panel – and the UFO community as a whole, if not the public as a whole – had been led down a path that had been carefully constructed by people behind the scenes. He wondered what kind of game was truly being played and whether this was just one bad apple or just the tip of the iceberg.
Though just one document, it was a hot potato. Vallee recalled how "Hynek once assured me that if it ever turned out that a secret study had been conducted, the American public would raise an unbelievable stink against the military and Intelligence community. It would be an outrage, he said, an insult to the whole country, not to mention a violation of the most cherished American principles of democracy. There would be an uproar in Congress, editorials in major scientific magazines, immediate demands for sanctions." The memo clearly showed that a secret study had been conducted... so how would Hynek and the public react?

Before showing it to Hynek, Vallee shared the memo with a colleague, Fred Beckman, who agreed that the document clearly showed that and in what manner the Robertson Panel had been manipulated. Vallee considered this indeed to be the greatest implication of the memo: the document proved that the Robertson panel had been manipulated, which "amounted to a scandal of major proportion in the eyes of any scientist. [...] Here is a special meeting of the five most eminent scientists in the land, assembled by the government to discuss a matter of national security. Not only are they not made aware of all the data, but another group has already decided 'what can and cannot be discussed (Pentacle's own words!)' when they meet."

Should Vallee show it to Hynek? He drew the conclusion that Hynek had been "too much timid. In many cases he even believed in the explanations he was producing." Vallee decided instead to sound Hynek out first. On Monday July 10, 1967, Hynek and Vallee were discussing a new contract that Hynek was supposed to sign; it would continue his relationship as one of the main consultants on the government's UFO programme. What was remarkable was that the contract was not with the Air Force, but with Dodge Corporation, a subsidiary of McGraw-Hill, a textbook publisher. Vallee noted that the contract had Hynek report into a certain "Sweeney" and that the advice was on whether UFOs represented a danger for the security of the US – which in itself is not a scientific question, which was apparently what Hynek was hired to answer.

Vallee specifically noted that the project Hynek was working for was not called Blue Book – the official Air Force title of the project – but Golden Eagle. Vallee asked whether that name had always been used, and if not, under what name the project was known before. Hynek dropped the bomb when he replied its predecessor was called White Stork. (Note both a bird names and in later years, there would be talk of an entire "Aviary" as being the secret handlers of the UFO community in the 1980s.) He then confirmed that in 1953, he worked for the Battelle Memorial Institute, which had been responsible for Stork. This meant – and confirmed – that Pentacle worked for Battelle too. Vallee then asked whether Hynek knew a Miles E. Coll, to whom the memo was addressed. Hynek did not. He did name Pentacle and seven others whose initials appeared in the secret memo. Hynek confirmed that "they were all administrators or staffers with Project Stork, including the man who sent me on a clandestine survey of astronomers in 1952, to find out discreetly what my colleagues thought of UFOs. 'Pentacle' himself was a leader of Stork." When Vallee enquired how Stork related to the Robertson Panel, Hynek replied "practically nil. Battelle wanted to remain outside all that." However, that was clearly not the case – and Vallee knew it. Furthermore, it was known that it was Battelle that had written Report #14, a report that was directly linked with the panel. Hynek was either not sufficiently informed or downplayed the role of Battelle. Vallee realised Hynek was not lying; he might just not want to face the overall implication.

Throughout the summer, Vallee battled with the question whether or not he should show Hynek the Pentacle memorandum. In August, Vallee asked Hynek to make some enquiries. Could Hynek have a copy of the Battelle's card catalogue from Report #14? Hynek "was coldly told that they were no longer in existence. Sweeney pretended to be outraged: 'It's a crime, it's unthinkable...' But Pentacle is still with Battelle, and he has told Quintanila that the cards had actually been thrown away" is what Vallee wrote in his diary.
On September 8, Vallee decided to give, as a parting gift to Hynek, a framed reproduction of The Lady and the Unicorn. He decided to insert, between the picture and the cardboard of the frame, the Pentacle letter. Once Vallee was back in France, he told Hynek where he could find the memo. In October, Vallee received a letter from Hynek, who wrote that he had gone to Columbus to see Pentacle and his team at Battelle. Rather than a confrontation, he merely told them about the letter and got – unsurprisingly – rebuffed. "I quoted enough from memory to get them very worried. They insisted on the fact that their cards had been destroyed and there was no listing, and all that had taken place with the approval of ATIC."

But Hynek was upset – worried. In March 1968, Hynek reported that he once again went to see Pentacle, but rather than a one to one meeting, Pentacle had four colleagues with him. When Hynek started reading from his notes, Pentacle snatched the paper out of his hand and said it was an old story and did not return his notes. Vallee: "Why should Pentacle worry so much about a simple letter written fifteen years ago?"

By 1969, it became clear that Hynek would not confront Pentacle, but the people knew that Hynek knew it was a sham, and that he was unhappy about being played – he was, of course, not the only one, but one of those who knew. At the same time, Hynek wrestled with the question whether or not he should go public with the story – which would test his theory that if he did, it would lead to moral outrage with the general public and its elected representatives.

Hynek did eventually talk, though what he said was not what he had found out. Instead, he rather sheepishly argued that a new study should be done. At that moment, the Air Force pushed him aside. Vallee: "First they defused the issue by getting their most vocal opponents to testify before bogus Congressional Hearings; then they selected Ed Condon, a physicist who was about to retire, and he signed his name to a report which was a travesty of science, yet reassured the establishment. They used that report to bring about the liquidation of Hynek's position, but they were careful not to fire him." That could, of course, have just been the event that would make Hynek go public.

Though the memo never received the impact Vallee thought it would have from a public point of view , the memo did have an important effect on both Hynek and Vallee; both realised that they had been pawns in a game which they never were able to control, if only because both were too timid to shout "conspiracy" from the rooftops. As late as the 1990s, Vallee still shied away by withholding Pentacle's name. Vallee concluded that "the discovery of the Pentacle document had a major impact on me. It gave me an uncomfortable insight into the practices of government agencies and the high-powered consultants who serve them. [...] It was the main raison for my return to Europe in 1967. It made obvious some unsavoury aspects of scientific policy at the highest level. It provided quite an education for an idealistic young astronomer." In short, it shattered his innocence.

Shortly after the publication of Vallee's book in 1992, a document which purported to be the Pentacle Memo came into limited circulation among certain researchers. Dale Goudie confronted Vallee with the alleged Pentacle memo. On June 12, 1993, Vallee agreed that "the document you sent me appears to be genuine. It corresponds to the one I saw." The document does indeed contain confirmation that Battelle Memorial Institute was working on UFO project(s) at the time of the Robertson Panel (January 1953), and apparently could exercise some amount of control over the handling of the subject matter.

The document was of interest to the entire UFO problem too. UFO researcher Barry Greenwood pointed out that this was a top secret document. It showed that the government treated UFOs as a cover... but that the report also suggested – because of no references to it – that no extra-terrestrial craft had landed, or crashed. Vallee agreed that "the significance of the memo comes, in part, from what it does not say. In particular, it makes no reference to any recovered UFO hardware, at Roswell or elsewhere, or to alien bodies."

To anyone who still failed to see the importance of the 1955 memorandrum, Vallee added that "the Pentacle proposal goes far beyond anything mentioned before. It daringly states that 'many different types of aerial activity should be secretly and purposefully scheduled within the area'. It is difficult to be more clear. We are not talking simply about setting up observing stations and cameras. We are talking about large-scale, covert simulation of UFO waves under military control."

Vallee knew, however, that this gigantic revelation – that the US government had made a policy, which it most likely then executed – that UFO waves were fabricated, would go over both UFO researchers and the public head. It is like finding out that Santa Claus does not exist. He lamented that "I find it odd that a [UFO] group [...] should fail to see the significance of the Pentacle Memo, which is an authentic document, when so much time, money and ink have been devoted over the last several years to an in-depth analysis of the MJ-12 papers, which were faked. Perhaps the Pentacle memo only proves that scientific studies of UFOs (and even their classified components) have been manipulated since the fifties. But it also suggests several avenues of research which are vital to the future of this field: why were Pentacle's proposals kept from the panel? Were his plans for a secret simulation of UFO waves implemented? If so, when, where and how? What was discovered as a result? Are these simulations still going on?" They are big questions... which the UFO researchers do not want to hear... and which no-one can answer...

http://www.philipcoppens.com/pentacle.html

[Sinny]

And for the sake of remaining unbiased - here is a report that may support A51's Hypothesis:

Battelle - Roswell Connection
http://ufodigest.com/news/0809/crash-debris.php

[Sinny]

A51 -

Have you read the works of Joseph P Farrell?

Roswell and the Reich?

I'm currently trying to obtain the book - however from what I know so far, even Phillip Corso hinted in his book that their may be a Nazi indication to the Roswell incident, and one point he states, (Day after Roswell):

"The technology had to be extraterrestrial, the only people on earth to look at this technology thus far were the Nazi's"

Paraphrased obviously.

I will return with info and citations - but I'm really limited with time these last few weeks.

I'll also be exploring Nazi Influences of the Staff involoved with Roswell, and possibly Battelle as well.

[Sinny]

You'll have to make sense of the non-sense, sorry for the typo's, I had all of 20 seconds to post the last post.

[Ellirium113]

Found this interesting video yesterday. I have no idea who is doing the presentation but you might find it as interesting as I did Sinny.

[A51Watcher]

http://www.topsecretwriters.com/2014/09/us-army-hunted-ufos-wwii/

Author is not the best at writing apparently lol
But his take on it is...
If they discovered Aliens in 1947, then future Army docs would elude to the fact that they had already discovered their origin...
Rather than their origin remaining a mystery.

The Schulgen memo is but one of several unearthed that merely confirm that many commanders who were not in the loop were left spinning their wheels trying to determine the origin of the flying discs.

[A51Watcher]

And for the sake of remaining unbiased - here is a report that may support A51's Hypothesis:

Battelle - Roswell Connection
http://ufodigest.com/news/0809/crash-debris.php

The Battelle connection has had recent corroboration.

I posted a link and the story not long ago here on Peggy.

I'm sure Peggy's search can turn it up.

[A51Watcher]

A51 -

Have you read the works of Joseph P Farrell?

Roswell and the Reich?

I'm currently trying to obtain the book - however from what I know so far, even Phillip Corso hinted in his book that their may be a Nazi indication to the Roswell incident, and one point he states, (Day after Roswell):

"The technology had to be extraterrestrial, the only people on earth to look at this technology thus far were the Nazi's"

Paraphrased obviously.

I will return with info and citations - but I'm really limited with time these last few weeks.

I'll also be exploring Nazi Influences of the Staff involoved with Roswell, and possibly Battelle as well.

If you google the authors name and book title you will find a lengthy interview with him on YT explaining his theory.

See how many gaps of logic you can spot.

[A51Watcher]

Found this interesting video yesterday. I have no idea who is doing the presentation but you might find it as interesting as I did Sinny.

The fellow doing the presentation is Randolph Winters, whose claim to fame is lecturing on the Billy Meier case.

Note that he also supports Adamski in this video.

He sells a videotape of one of his lectures called 'The Pleiadian Connetion' which includes photos of the Dean Martin girls as well as the infamous dinosaur picture, which he contends as real.

[Sinny]

If you google the authors name and book title you will find a lengthy interview with him on YT explaining his theory.

See how many gaps of logic you can spot.

I've watched a few of his video's so far... He seemed to be to be very methodical and logical in his research.
Can you be more specific? And do you have any comments on the Nazi Hypothesis in general?

[Pimander]

Can you be more specific? And do you have any comments on the Nazi Hypothesis in general?

When I looked into this it looked likely to be Neo-Nazi propaganda.  I don't have time right now to dig out the material but there was nothing verifiable in the "Flying Saucers were NAZI" theory.  I personally doubt that the crash(es) had anything to do with any Nazi bases.

Something worth thinking about is that the Army are not always in the loop regarding projects being run by others which confuses the hell out of them.  What if the Navy or something already had reverse engineered craft?  What if the new radars and electronic counter measures the USAF inherited from the RAF opened a portal or attracted "other-worldly interest"  in some way?  So many possibilities. 

The memory metal evidence is some of the most convincing available that something very unusual happened there.

[Sinny]

When I looked into this it looked likely to be Neo-Nazi propaganda.  I don't have time right now to dig out the material but there was nothing verifiable in the "Flying Saucers were NAZI" theory.  I personally doubt that the crash(es) had anything to do with any Nazi bases.

Something worth thinking about is that the Army are not always in the loop regarding projects being run by others which confuses the hell out of them.  What if the Navy or something already had reverse engineered craft?  What if the new radars and electronic counter measures the USAF inherited from the RAF opened a portal or attracted "other-worldly interest"  in some way?  So many possibilities. 

The memory metal evidence is some of the most convincing available that something very unusual happened there.

I'm left wondering if either of you two have looked up the source at all.

Joseph P Farrell himself refuses to explore Nazi Saucers - only the Nazi Bell, and he him-self states all the 'saucer stuff' comes from Neo-Nazi's....

He does however think Roswell was a very terrestrial event.

The Metal is not evidence of ET, It is evidence of a curious metal - that is all.   

PJC - The day After Roswell PG 5:

In 1961, regardless of the differences in the Roswell story from the many different sources who had
described it, the top-secret file of Roswell information came into my possession when I took over the
Foreign Technology desk at R&D. My boss, General Trudeau, asked me to use the army's ongoing
weapons development and research program as a way to filter the Roswell technology into the main stream
of industrial development through the military defense contracting program.

Today, items such as lasers, integrated circuitry, fiberoptics networks, accelerated particle beam
devices, and even the Kevlar material in bulletproof vests are all commonplace. Yet the seeds for the
development of all of them were found in the crash of the alien craft at Roswell and turned up in my files
fourteen years later.

But that's not even the whole story.

In those confusing hours after the discovery of the crashed Roswell alien craft, the army determined that in
the absence of any other information it had to be an extraterrestrial. Worse, the fact that this craft and other
flying saucers had been surveilling our defensive installations and even seemed to evidence a technology
we'd seen evidenced by the Nazis.

History of the Metal, and it's handlers
http://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2010/08/12/roswell-battelle-memory-metal-the-new-revelations-by-anthony-bragalia/

[A51Watcher]

I've watched a few of his video's so far... He seemed to be to be very methodical and logical in his research.
Can you be more specific? And do you have any comments on the Nazi Hypothesis in general?

Ok, let's start with his contention that foo fighters were a nazi weapon.

Sent up to spray gas that would destroy ignition systems?

Not very bloody effective now were they? How many were reported spraying gas?

And once your car is started, what need have they of the ignition system?

And what propulsion method would they have used? Ducted fans as proposed by Nazi saucer proponents?

The Red Baron riding a window fan through the sky, that's a formidable opponent.

Even remotely controlled, what power source would be aboard to run these fans? Such batteries have yet to be invented to this day.

And any fan arrangement is not going to give you 15,000 mph and 90 degree turns.


A much more effective use of any Nazi foo fighters would have been to ram them head on into any enemy craft, and hopefully carry an explosive charge.

A tally of foo sighting vs any damage ever caused shows them to be virtually ineffective as a weapon.


No trace of any such technology has ever surfaced or been displayed by any country on earth ever since.


However a monstrously huge saucer was reported during daylight by a British bomber crew.


The problem this author faces is much the same that many authors unknowingly face - being unaware that Roswell was not a single incident, but merely the eye of the hurricane, they don't realize their proposed solution takes a stab at explaining one incident, not an entire year of thousands of saucer sightings across the entire nation, and world for that matter.