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Operation Protective Edge - The Israeli Palestinian-Terriorist War

Started by rdunk, July 10, 2014, 04:58:43 PM

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petrus4

Quote from: rdunk on August 04, 2014, 10:05:02 PM
Another try for an initial short peace agreement!

Israel, Hamas agree to 3-day truce to take effect Tuesday


Israel accepted an Egyptian cease-fire proposal on Monday night that is to go into effect Tuesday at 8:00 a.m.

The only problem with this, is that the Jewish government will probably just do what they did with the 72 hour ceasefire; stage a false flag which gives them pretext, and then continue their bombardment.
"Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburgers."
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robomont

ive never been much for rules.
being me has its priviledges.

Dumbledore

deuem

The truce game is on for re-stocking the front lines while not under fire. Both sides are taking advantage of a lull in the action, then come out fighting even harder. Ding/Ding, next round.

robomont

http://www.blacklistednews.com/We%E2%80%99re_All_Criminals_and_Outlaws_in_the_Eyes_of_the_American_Police_State/37069/0/38/38/Y/M.htmlremember how I pointed out that Victoria's secret was a Jewish company,well maybe this will show you what Israel has planned for the world.kinda reminds me of a certain Egyptian story from the bible.
ive never been much for rules.
being me has its priviledges.

Dumbledore

rdunk

Will captured Hamas manual on using human shields help Israel block war crimes trials?

From The Jerusalem Posti 08/05/2014

According to the IDF (and confirmed independently in a CNN report), the posted pages of the manual focus on urban warfare, and discuss the benefits to Hamas when its own civilians' homes are destroyed.

The Tuesday meeting of Palestinian Authority Foreign Minister Riad al-Malki with the International Criminal Court Prosecutor's Office is likely far less significant than it looks.

First, the Palestinians threaten over and over again to file complaints against Israelis in the ICC, but have consistently failed to pull the trigger.

Also, though "Palestine" can probably overcome the statehood obstacles which blocked the Palestinians from filing war crimes complaints against Israelis after the 2008-9 Gaza War there are myriad other obstacles which could block an investigation, let alone a conviction.

But in the unlikely worst case scenario where the PA somehow manages to overcome the many substantial obstacles, has the IDF just discovered a golden defense to war crimes allegations in a "captured" Hamas manual it posted Monday-Tuesday?

According to the IDF (and confirmed independently in a CNN report), the posted pages of the manual focus on urban warfare, and discuss the benefits to Hamas when its own civilians' homes are destroyed.

It has two salient points relating to the war crimes issue.

The IDF said that the manual: 1) reveals that Hamas knows or recognizes the IDF is committed to minimizing harm to civilians 2) explains how the civilian population can be used against IDF forces and 2) Based on these two points, the IDF stated that Hamas' callous and systematic use of the Gazan population as "human shields" was intentional and preplanned.

In a portion entitled "Limiting the Use of Weapons," the IDF said the manual explains that: The soldiers and commanders (of the IDF) must limit their use of weapons and tactics that lead to the harm and unnecessary loss of people and [destruction of] civilian facilities. It is difficult for them to get the most use out of their firearms, especially of supporting fire [e.g. artillery].

The IDF concluded that Hamas knows the IDF will limit its use of greater firepower in support of infantry weapons in order to avoid harming civilians.

The manual goes on to explain that the presence of civilians among pockets of resistance causes three major problems for IDF forces: (1) Problems with opening fire (2) Problems in controlling the civilian population during operations and afterward (3) Assurance of supplying medical care to civilians who need it Lastly, the manual discusses the benefits for Hamas when civilian homes are destroyed: The destruction of civilian homes: This increases the hatred of the citizens towards the attackers [the IDF] and increases their gathering [support] around the city defenders (resistance forces[i.e. Hamas]).

The IDF concluded that this proves that Hamas actually desires the destruction of homes and civilian infrastructure, knowing it will increase hatred for the IDF and support their fighters.


More:
http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Will-captured-Hamas-manual-on-using-human-shields-help-Israel-block-war-crimes-trials-370154

rdunk

Israel sends delegation to Cairo for truce talks as cease-fire appears to hold

By JPOST.com Staff 08/05/2014

Tense quiet in South as Hamas appears to be honoring 72-hour cease-fire; Israeli delegation joins Palestinian factions in Cairo for long-term truce talks.

The 72-hour cease-fire which began Tuesday morning at 8 a.m. appeared to be holding Tuesday afternoon prompting Israel to send a negotiating team to Cairo for indirect talks with Palestinians factions aimed at reaching a long-term truce.

Israel had previously said that it would wait to see if Hamas honored the cease-fire before dispatching a delegation to take part in the talks that it had thus far avoided.

"The delegates left under an hour ago. I assume they've already arrived in Egypt," an Israeli official told Reuters on Tuesday afternoon.

A flurry of rockets was fired at the South, the Shfela region and areas outside of Jerusalem in the West Bank just prior to the onset of the cease-fire. One rocket hit a house near the Palestinian West Bank town of Bethlehem, police said and residents said.

Israeli ground forces completed their withdrawal from Gaza as the cease-fire went into effect on Tuesday morning.

Senior Israeli diplomatic officials said Israel was preparing for the possibility that Hamas would violate the cease-fire, as it has done in the past, and also cautioned the Israeli public to continue to be vigilant as Hamas could try to carry out a major attack for a final "victory picture" before the cease-fire goes into effect.


More:
http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Israel-sends-delegation-to-Cairo-for-truce-talks-as-cease-fire-appears-to-hold-370136

robomont

Wow,no comments on how the Jews profit from slavery,just more propaganda.
ive never been much for rules.
being me has its priviledges.

Dumbledore

rdunk

This too is an interesting read, with comments given from the IDF, which are now redeployed behind the Israeli border. It really does give detail into the use by hamas of Palestinian civilian property and civilian lives.

The Jerusalem Post

By YAAKOV LAPPIN 08/06/2014 03:20

On the first full day of a truce with Hamas, the IDF redeployed behind the Israeli border, and senior army officers began sharing their war stories.

The accounts all point to a cruel and cynical enemy that is willing to use kindergartens, schools and hospitals as rocket bases and tunnel covers, and which actively seeks to get Gazan civilians killed and injured.

One source on Tuesday spoke of how the army uncovered the Gazan shaft of a cross-border tunnel. It surfaced in a hothouse located right next to a Palestinian kindergarten. It led directly to Kibbutz Netiv Ha'asara, where Hamas gunmen planned to massacre civilians.

Other units found rocket launch tripods in school playgrounds.

"At the entrance to Beit Hanun, there were more homes with booby-traps than not," said another army officer.

"Much of the destruction of homes in Gaza was because of Hamas's booby traps."

A brigade commander saw seven buildings utterly destroyed, when IDF shells set off bombs planted by Hamas inside them. "You see the buildings jump up and collapse, and you know a shell can't do that to a multi-story building," the source said.

In recent days, the IDF came under increased Hamas mortar fire, and when it traced the origin of the attacks, it found that they came from kindergartens and playgrounds in Gaza.

"This limited us a lot," said a source.

"It forced us to take many risks. In some places we refrained from acting.

In others, when we had no choice, we fired back."

Soldiers spoke of finding antitank missile launchers in children's bedrooms, and automatic rifles in a room next to a child's bedroom.

"There are certain things that, until you encounter them yourself on the battlefield, you can't understand them," said a source. "Only in combat can you learn these things," he added, referring to the deep knowledge the IDF has recently obtained of Hamas by confronting it on its home turf.

This process explains how the ground offensive became focused on destroying the tunnels. The threat of underground passages leading from Gaza into Israel had been known for years, but only recently did the IDF realize how Hamas planned to use them.

Hamas planned coordinated, simultaneous raids by hundreds of terrorists, who would have entered southern Israel and simply massacred the inhabitants of southern communities.

Had Hamas's plot succeeded, the attack could have been the worst in Israeli history.

The same sources, when discussing Palestinian casualties, said they were up front about the Gazan civilians who were unintentionally killed in IDF strikes.

Well over 900 terrorists were killed in Gaza, according to the sources, and the civilian-to-combatant casualty ratio was one of the lowest in recent wars fought by Western armies against guerrilla foes.

Stories also continue to abound of strikes canceled by the IDF.

"Hamas has a command and control center in a building. I did not give the order to hit it," a senior officer said.

Looking ahead, army officials said they expect the operation to refresh Israeli deterrence, "both in Gaza and in Lebanon."

"Hamas will have to ask itself difficult questions. Was digging tunnels under homes worth it?" said one source.

The officers cited the "personal damage to Hamas battalion commanders, who used their homes as command and control centers, and now have no where to return to."

A senior IDF commander added, "Gaza is totally different now. Hamas built capabilities it could not effectively activate. Islamic Jihad's apparatus has been taken apart. We were not willing to strike Hamas brigade commanders who hid under Shifa Hospital. That's a victory we could not live with."

rdunk

Israel Agrees to extend cease-fire!

"An Israeli official says Israel will extend truce under current terms; Hamas officials reportedly say they will not extend cease-fire unless significant progress made in negotiations; threaten to resume rocket fire". It would appear that hamas is willing to fight unto death of all of their people!

The Jerusalem Post

By REUTERS         08/06/2014

Israel has agreed to extend a ceasefire that ended a month of fighting in Gaza beyond a Friday deadline, an Israeli official said on Wednesday, speaking on condition of anonymity.

"Israel accepted an unconditional 72-hour cease fire, and is willing to extend an unconditional cease-fire," the official said.

The official did not say for how much longer Israel had agreed to extend the truce, only that: "Israel has expressed its readiness to extend the truce under its current terms," referring to the deal brokered by Egypt that took effect on Tuesday.

Hamas officials said they would not agree to extend the cease-fire without significant progress in negotiations conducted in Cairo, Channel 10 reported.

Hamas also threatened on Wednesday night to resume rocket attacks on Israel when the current cease-fire comes to an end on Friday at 8 a.m., according to the report.

The cease-fire that went into effect on Tuesday has held thus far, allowing for the removal of safety restriction bans in Israel and a relative "return to normal."
US envoy Frank Lowenstein was due in Cairo on Wednesday night to try to help Egyptian-mediated talks between Israel and the Palestinians find a lasting end to their conflict over the Gaza Strip, the US State Department said.

Lowenstein is the acting US special envoy for Israeli-Palestinian negotiations.



More:
http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Israel-agrees-to-extend-Gaza-cease-fire-370267

rdunk

Breaking: Quiet shattered, Hamas resumes firing rockets as cease-fire ends

Is this any surprise?? Certainly not to me. Peace is not what hamas is after, and simply having a Palestinian country does not settle what they believe their god requires. So, there will be no real peace for Israel until the God of Israel intervenes.

By JPOST.COM STAFF     08/08/2014 08:03

After 72 hours of relative quiet, the bilateral cease-fire ends without an extension deal; rocket fire from Gaza resumes on southern Israel from Gaza.


Breaking: Quiet shattered, Hamas resumes firing rockets as cease-fire ends By JPOST.COM STAFF
08/08/2014 08:03
 
After 72 hours of relative quiet, the bilateral cease-fire ends without an extension deal; rocket fire from Gaza resumes on southern Israel from Gaza. iron dome
An interception of a rocket by the Iron Dome.
With the 72-hour cease-fire drawing to an end at 8:00 a.m. on Friday morning, Hamas renewed its rocket fire on Israel after declaring in Cairo that it will not agree to extend the Egyptian-mediated ceasefire.

At exactly 8:00 a.m., rocket alert sirens went off in the Ashkelon Regional Council as three rockets were fired at the city and surrounding areas. Iron Dome batteries intercepted one of the rockets while two exploded in open territory.

Moments later, sirens were heard in communities of the Eshkol Regional Council bordering the Gaza Strip.

The Eshkol Regional Council made a public announcement calling for residents to remain within 15 second of a bomb shelter.

Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri stated that there would be, "No agreement to extend cease-fire, but we will continue to negotiate [in Cairo]." The comments come after Hamas officials in Cairo vowed to resume the fighting if its demands were not met.

Earlier Friday morning, before the cease-fire officially ended, two rockets were apparently launched at southern Israel from Gaza, the IDF reported. The rockets violated the cease-fire but the IDF did not immediately respond.

A senior Israeli security source made statements on Thursday that Israel "will respond with force if Hamas renews attacks on it."



http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Hamas-does-not-agree-to-extension-as-cease-fire-ends-370468

Khaled Abu Toameh contributed to this report.




rdunk

This report by Dennis Prager is not really a part of this subject war, but it really does put a focus for us on the simple why of the war, relative to "The Middle East Problem".


                                             

rdunk

Report: Egypt, Palestinians reach new agreement on cease-fire deal in Gaza

This is the latest news, but is simply just another step in the negotiations, with much saber rattling. Egypt agrees to what hamas is asking for, so now it awaits Israel's answer which will not come until the firing stops.

By JPOST.COM STAFF             08/09/2014 18:14

Under reported terms of proposal, PA would take control of Rafah crossing; Israeli source: We don't negotiate under fire; Hamas threatens to leave Cairo talks if demands are not met.

Egyptian and Palestinian delegates have reportedly reached a new agreement on a draft cease-fire proposal that will be submitted to Israel on Saturday, a Palestinian official told AFP.

According to the official speaking on condition of anonymity, the deal would see the Palestinian Authority and the government in Cairo render control of the Rafah border between Gaza and Egypt.

Under the reported terms, Hamas would in effect enact a unity deal signed in April with the PA, entrusting the group's demands for a port in Gaza to the Ramallah-based government for negotiations at a later point with Israel.

Egyptian sources who are intimately familiar with the discussions are quoted by Arab media sources as saying that the sides have reached verbal agreements on a truce that would go into effect Saturday evening, even as Hamas threatens to renew rocket fire against Israel's most populous areas in the center of the country in response to what it says is Jerusalem's "obstinacy" in cease-fire talks.

"The launching of rockets from the Gaza Strip toward Israel and the Israeli air force strikes in response to those rockets will cease completely [Saturday evening] in parallel with the arrival of the Israeli delegation to the talks in Cairo and the continuation of negotiations toward a permanent cease-fire," sources told the Palestinian daily Al-Quds.

Israeli officials have not confirmed the reports that negotiators are on their way to Egypt to rejoin the cease-fire discussions. A defense source in Jerusalem told the Walla! news agency on Saturday that as long as Palestinian rocket fire from Gaza continues, Israel will not be a party to the cease-fire talks.

"We don't negotiate under fire," the source said.

Meanwhile, Hamas sources threatened on Saturday to leave the talks if its demands are not met.

"The Palestinian delegation to the talks has notified the Egyptian mediators that in the event Israel continues with its rejectionist stance, it will leave Cairo [on Sunday], which would then enable the factions on the ground to expand its rocket range to include Tel Aviv," a Hamas official told the Lebanese newspaper Al-Akhbar.

While the source is believed to be reliable, this statement is perceived as "flexing muscles," or posturing for the sake of negotiations.

Hamas officials repeated their threat to resume strikes on Tel Aviv on Palestinian television on Saturday.

More: http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Report-Egypt-Palestinians-reach-new-agreement-on-cease-fire-deal-370565

rdunk

Well, the next back and forth step ghas occurred. The two factions have agreed to another 72 hour truce! We we see if this truce has any actual lasting reality, and all of the priors of this 35 day war have not.

Rocket barrage on Israel shortly before start of 72 hour truce with Hamas


Rocket barrage on Israel shortly before start of 72 hour truce with Hamas By

Jerusalem Post

HERB KEINON  08/11/2014 00:12
 
Israel will send its team of negotiators back to Cairo on Monday if Hamas honors the 72-hour cease-fire that went into effect at midnight, diplomatic officials said Sunday evening.

Rocket sirens were sounded in Ashdod, Ashkelon, and Kiryat Malachi at around 11:45 p.m. on Tuesday. The army confirmed that the Iron Dome rocket defense system intercepted two rockets over Ashdod and an additional rocket landed in an open area of the port city.

An additional rocket fired at the Tel Aviv area fell in an open area. No rocket alert sirens sounded in the area.

The officials said that Israel had accepted an Egyptian cease-fire proposal, the second 72-hour truce in a week.

Hamas refused to extend the previous truce, which expired Friday morning, and resumed firing rockets and mortars.

The IDF responded by hitting dozens of terrorist targets inside the Strip.

According to the officials, in accordance with Israel's policy that it will not negotiate a longer-term cease-fire while under fire, Israel's negotiating team will return to Cairo on Monday only if the cease-fire holds.

Israel, one government official said, was going into this truce with its eyes "wide open," well aware of with whom it was dealing, and of how Hamas and Islamic Jihad had broken numerous ceasefires over the last month.

Asked why Jerusalem believes Hamas accepted the cease-fire after rejecting an extension on Friday morning, he said that Hamas was under a great deal of strain that included not only military pressure from Israel but also pressure from many in the Arab world, as well as people in Gaza who want to see the crisis end.

Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal, meanwhile, said Sunday that any lasting ceasefire with Israel should include the lifting of the blockade on the Gaza Strip.

Mashaal, who is based in Qatar, told AFP that the latest cease-fire agreement, which was announced Sunday evening, is one of the "ways or tactics to ensure successful negotiations or to facilitate the delivery of humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip."

Mashaal reiterated Hamas's insistence that all its demands be met "and that the Gaza Strip live without the blockade."

He warned that in the case of Israeli "procrastination or continued aggression, Hamas is ready with other Palestinian factions to resist on the ground and politically and to face all possibilities."

The new cease-fire agreement came after the Palestinians said they would leave Cairo if a deal wasn't reached by Sunday.

Hamas's top negotiator, Moussa Abu Marzouk, said after the Egyptians announced the new cease-fire agreement that the Palestinians accepted the deal after Israel responded positively.

Another Hamas official, Izzat al-Risheq, said that the Palestinian acceptance of the cease-fire came after the Egyptians informed them of Israel's agreement.


More: http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Rockets-fired-on-Israel-shortly-before-start-of-72-hour-truce-with-Hamas-370698

rdunk

IDF mobilizing forces along Gaza border as clock ticks on temporary cease-fire

By JPOST.COM STAFF, REUTERS, YASSER OKBI/ MAARIV HASHAVUA  08/13/2014

The IDF was mobilizing forces along the border with Gaza on Wednesday ahead of the expiration of a three-day cease-fire at 12 a.m. Thursday, Channel 2 reported.

The threat of renewed fighting loomed as it remained uncertain whether Israeli and Palestinian negotiators engaged in indirect talks in Cairo would forge a long-term truce to take effect following the temporary one.

The IDF also deployed nine Iron Dome batteries throughout the country as Israel was bracing for the possibility of Gazan terrorists resuming rocket attacks in the event that cease-fire negotiations break down, Channel 2 cited a senior Air Force official as saying.

The military was also reportedly calling up addition reservists to bolsters the soldiers positioned near the Gaza border.

Palestinian officials said that they are seriously considering agreeing to extend talks past the 72-hour deadline.

On Wednesday, the clock ticked toward the end of a the temporary cease-fire with no sign of a breakthrough in indirect talks in Cairo.

It was reported by Reuters that President Barak Obama spoke to Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu on Wednesday evening.

A Palestinian official with knowledge of the negotiations said Egypt had presented a new proposal for a permanent truce agreement that addressed a major Palestinian demand for a lifting of the Israeli and Egyptian blockades of the Gaza Strip.


more: http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Report-IDF-mobilizing-forces-along-Gaza-border-as-clock-ticks-on-temporary-cease-fire-370985

rdunk

At least conversation is still continuing toward a lasting cease fire. Hopefully just a matter of time!!!

Abbas says Egyptian initiative only viable option for Israel-Gaza truce!

By JPOST.COM STAFF   LAST UPDATED: 08/16/2014 22:12

Palestinian Authority president gives speech during meeting of PA leadership in Ramallah, says Egypt has no replacement as mediator. Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas said on Saturday there was no alternative to the Egyptian initiative for a cease-fire between Israel and Hamas.


"We adhere to the Egyptian plan," the PA chief stated in his opening remarks at a meeting of the senior Palestinian leadership in Ramallah on Saturday. "We will not accept any other party to take Egypt's place" as mediator of indirect talks to cement a lasting cease-fire deal between Israel and Hamas.

The Palestinians delegation is slated to return to Cairo this evening to renew talks on Sunday, though members of the negotiating team have expressed pessimism that any progress could be made as things currently stood. Senior figures in Hamas and Islamic Jihad reiterated that the document presented to both sides in Cairo was unacceptable and did not meet their demands.

Abbas said that the PA leadership's goal was to halt the fighting between Israel and Hamas which has embroiled the Gaza Strip for the past five weeks.

Abbas addressed the international conference slated for next month in Egypt which will see donor countries discuss providing financial aid for rebuilding the Gaza Strip and express hope that Arab countries would make progress.

The president talked about the importance of going forward with the diplomatic route, including plans to join the International Criminal Court in order to file war crimes charges against Israel.

According to the draft cease-fire terms – Israel will stop its offensive against Gaza from the air, sea, and land and in turn, the Palestinian factions will stop their attacks on Israel and will stop digging tunnels outside Gaza's territory in Israel. In addition, border crossings between Israel and the Strip would reopen.

Under the proposal, once a cease-fire holds, the parties will return to Cairo for more extensive negotiations, including over prisoner swaps and the hot-button issue of establishing an airport and a seaport in the coastal enclave.

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Palestinian-Authority-President-says-Egyptian-initiative-only-viable-option-371281