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Operation Protective Edge - The Israeli Palestinian-Terriorist War

Started by rdunk, July 10, 2014, 04:58:43 PM

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Littleenki

Official country or not, Ellirium's graphic is basically a how to manual on genocidal land grabs.....
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Littleenki

Quote from: Amaterasu on July 15, 2014, 12:24:28 AM
Well, I surely don't feel like I am suppressing anything.  I can put Myself in the viewpoint of a psychopath, but I FEEL none of it.  Just see and understand the motivation.

As far as the advent of money, I am unclear who it was that thought We should use it on this planet, but it seems to have been initiated specifically for its control functions.

All kidding aside, look into this expose, past the somewhat fruity bits, for facts that share with us who invented usury...

http://www.reformation.org/moneychangers.html

of course, as for money proper as coins and tender, it was the bullheads...the Phoenicians.... who brought money about in such form....this time.

Barter, as wonderful as it seems, was basically using animals land or other tangible goods for exchange, but it was and is still using such "money" as a tool.

Once humans decided they had the rights to anything, rock, paper or scissors, that is where the greed and chase began.

We are victims of our forefather's quest for power and control, indeed, yet as modern humanity, we cannot survive without money...unless of course you wish to live off of berries in the park and sit on a bench there all day reading Eckhart Tolle quotes.
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Amaterasu

Well, yes We can live without money.  It's just that it takes a paradigm shift and many working together to make it happen.  [smile]
"If the universe is made of mostly Dark Energy...can We use it to run Our cars?"

"If You want peace, take the profit out of war."

Ellirium113

The Egyptian cease fire proposal was outright rejected by Hamas as they were not even privy to the terms of the agreement with Israel. Continued attacks from Gaza have resulted in their 1st Israeli casualty from a mortar no less. This should incur a heavy handed response from Israel.

QuoteIn an evening address aired live on TV, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that after Hamas' rejection of the truce, Israel had "no choice" but to respond more forcefully.
"Hamas chose to continue fighting and will pay the price for that decision," he said. "When there is no ceasefire, our answer is fire."

Over 190 Palestinians have been killed from Israeli responses since July 8th vs. 1 Israeli most of the casualties being civilians from collateral damage.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/hamas-mortar-kills-1st-israeli-in-renewed-gaza-conflict-1.2707102

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/israel-accepts-truce-plan-hamas-balks/2014/07/15/04373008-0bf5-11e4-8c9a-923ecc0c7d23_story.html

Here is a chronology of disproportionate attacks on Gaza:
http://webapps.aljazeera.net/aje/custom/2014/gazaunderattack/index.html

rdunk

From the Jerusalem Post, 07/16/2014

Hamas proposes 10-year cease-fire in return for conditions being met

Hamas demands release of Schalit deal prisoners who were re-arrested, the opening of Gaza border crossings


One day after an Egyptian-brokered cease-fire accepted by Israel, but rejected by Hamas, fell through, the terrorist organization proposed a 10-year end to hostilities in return for its conditions being met by Israel, Channel 2 reported Wednesday.

Hamas's conditions were the release of re-arrested Palestinian prisoners who were let go in the Schalit deal, the opening of Gaza-Israel border crossings in order to allow citizens and goods to pass through, and international supervision of the Gazan seaport in place of the current Israeli blockade.

Former Balad MK Azmi Bishara  presented the group's conditions on Al Jazeera on Wednesday.

Bishara, who fled Israel in 2007 after he was accused of aiding Hezbollah during the Second Lebanon War, estimated that the escalation would end within the next two days. He also accused Israel of agreeing to Tuesday's short-lived cease-fire in order to legitimize further air strikes on Gaza after Hamas rejected the plan.

He said that Palestinian factions had been in talks with international authorities who would have accepted the terms Hamas has set forth, but the Egyptian initiative, which favored Israel and ignored the goals of the "Palestinian resistance," brought all negotiations to a halt.

Bishara, who currently lives in Qatar, contended that Egypt's shared interests with Israel and conflict of interest with Hamas prevented it from being an effective negotiator.

Instead, Bishara recommended that Turkey and Qatar, along with the US and other Western powers, lead the negotiations between Hamas and Israel.

On Tuesday, Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said that the Islamist group had not received an official cease-fire proposal, and he repeated its position that demands it has made must be met before it lays down its weapons.

Hamas's armed wing, the Kassam Brigades, rejected the reported text of the truce deal, saying: "Our battle with the enemy continues and will increase in ferocity and intensity."


http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/What-are-Hamass-conditions-for-a-cease-fire-363011

Ellirium113


rdunk

The Jerusalem Post 7/16/2014

Israel calls up an additional 8,000 reservists for Gaza operation

The IDF has already called up 48,000 reserves, bringing the total number to 56,000, once the additional forces are called up. Benny Gantz
IDF Chief of Staff Lt.-Gen. Benny Gantz, June 24, 2014. Photo: IDF SPOKESMAN'S OFFICE
The cabinet on Wednesday authorized the call-up of 8,000 additional reservists to assist in the military operations along the Gaza frontier.

The IDF has already called up 48,000 reserves, bringing the total number to 56,000, once the additional forces are called up.

Last week, the IDF began actively calling up the 40,000 reserves approved to it by the cabinet for Operation Protective Edge.

IDF chief of Staff Lt.-Gen. Benny Gantz requested the call-up of 40,000 reserves in order to replace conscripted forces in the West Bank, and enable their deployment to the Gaza border.

The cabinet approved the request and the IDF has already begun issuing reserve notices.

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu gave no indication of whether the campaign was nearing its end or whether Israel is on the verge of a ground operation.

Netanyahu on Wednesday repeated his position that "Israel will continue to do what it needs to do to defend itself until peace and quiet are restored."

The premier spoke at a joint news conference with Italian Foreign Minister Federica Mogherini at the Knesset on Wednesday.

Netanyahu called on the international community to condemn Hamas for committing the "double war crime" of firing on Israeli civilians and using Palestinian noncombatants as human shields. He also said that the "most important step for the international community to insist on" is "the demilitarization of Gaza."

The premier noted that while Israel accepted the Egyptian ceasefire proposal, Hamas rejected it.

Turning to the Italian foreign minister, Netanyahu said, "Imagine in Rome, Florence, and Milan were rocketed. You wouldn't accept that. You'd fight back. Those firing the rockets aren't seeking a political solution."

Mogherini commended Netanyahu for accepting the ceasefire while calling on both sides to refrain from civilian casualties. She also expressed concern for the humanitarian situation in Gaza.



rdunk

Thanks Ellirium, it is good to have some humor in this continuing sad situation!!

What is really sad about this is that as long as terrorists remain alive, as terrorists, there will be wars and killings, as is happening with this war. Of course who the terrorists are is this war depends upon individual thought and view.

As I said earlier, my concern is that this war may not stay contained to just these two factions, and could summarily involve many countries. I am a bit surprised that some of the area countries that have similar thoughts to hamas relative to Israel haven't become more directly involved already.

Amaterasu

Aside from the fact that "terrorists" are manufactured, and always "the other side" are "terrorists" (the Brits prolly though the US patriots were "terrorists..."), I guess it's a problem of "terrorists..."   ::)
"If the universe is made of mostly Dark Energy...can We use it to run Our cars?"

"If You want peace, take the profit out of war."

Ellirium113

The thing I don't like about all of this is that innocent lives are being lost. It is no longer clear if this is a "holy war", a "revenge war" or if this is being spearheaded by 2 individuals on each side with conflicting ideals.

QuoteNetanyahu called on the international community to condemn Hamas for committing the "double war crime" of firing on Israeli civilians and using Palestinian noncombatants as human shields. He also said that the "most important step for the international community to insist on" is "the demilitarization of Gaza."

The continued demonization of both sides and coining phrases like "using human shields" when in reality it is simply a densely populated area from which they are stuck in to fight from only adds to the frustration of the conflict.

QuoteWhat is really sad about this is that as long as terrorists remain alive, as terrorists, there will be wars and killings, as is happening with this war.

This is a good point rdunk, and mass media will help ensure there will always be terrorists. Those that may have started off labeled as "separatists" become "resistance fighters" or "freedom fighters" which get spun into "rebels" or "insurgents" which then get spun into "terrorists". One only needs to go through a half dozen news stories to see how the media has transformed the Russian speaking victims of the Ukrainian conflict to see this in action.

robomont

ive never been much for rules.
being me has its priviledges.

Dumbledore

rdunk

Israel agrees to UN request for five-hour cease-fire in Gaza

Israel on Wednesday accepted a UN proposal for a five-hour unilateral humanitarian pause in the fighting to allow for relief aid into Gaza, less than two days after it accepted a more comprehensive cease-fire proposal that was answered by continuous rocket attacks from Gaza.

Hamas followed suit and also agreed to the humanitarian pause in the fighting around midnight on Wednesday.

UN Middle East envoy Robert Serry turned to Maj.-Gen. Yoav "Poly" Mordechai – Israel's coordinator of government activities in the territories – with the request. A UN spokesman said if Israel agreed, Serry would call on "groups in Gaza to respect the pause."

IDF sources said the lull in the fighting would go into effect on Thursday at 10 a.m.

The development came as Israel continued to delay a much discussed ground incursion into the Gaza Strip so it could gauge the direction intensive efforts in Cairo and elsewhere were taking to resuscitate the cease-fire plan Hamas rejected on Tuesday.

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas held talks in Cairo on Wednesday, as did Quartet envoy Tony Blair, in an effort to come up with a package that would be acceptable to both sides.

Abbas met with Hamas official Musa Abu Marzouk, and Egypt, Qatar, Turkey, and even Tunisia and France were reportedly involved in efforts to quell the violence.

Even as these efforts were under way, Israel sent a message that a ground operation was very much on the table, approving the mobilization of another 8,000 reservists to join the 48,000 who have already been called up since the start of Operation Protective Edge.

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu – in conversations on Tuesday with the mayors of Ashkelon, Ashdod and Rishon Lezion – said Israel would "use as much force as necessary to restore the quiet."

In addition, during a public statement before a meeting with visiting Italian Foreign Minister Federica Mogherini, Netanyahu said that at this point Hamas had closed the door on diplomacy, and Israel was intent on returning fire with more intensive fire.

"We've been trying to find a solution to this problem," he said, stressing that Israel accepted on Tuesday the Egyptian-brokered plan that was endorsed by UN Secretary- General Ban Ki-moon and the Arab League.

"Israel accepted the cease-fire, Hamas rejected it," the prime minister said. "We held our fire for six hours, and during that time Hamas continued to barrage our cities with rockets. Hamas thus shut the door to a diplomatic solution and it therefore bears the sole responsibility for the continuation of the violence. It's responsible for the civilian deaths, the innocent deaths of Palestinians that it uses as human shields, and it's responsible for the deaths of Israeli civilians and the terror rocketing of Israeli civilians."

More:
http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Israel-calls-up-additional-8000-reservists-for-Gaza-operation-363053

deuem

Did anyone else read the arms anouncement yesterday. No wonder Israeli is not worried. The US has pre-positioned 1,000,000,000 $ in weapons there that they can use within 2 to 3 hours notice and a sign off from the president of the US. When you are sitting on a billion dollars of tanks, missiles, bullets and so. would you worry? Your tax dollars hard at work.

"a how to manual on genocidal land grabs", seems Putin and China are reading the book also.

petrus4

Quote from: rdunk on July 10, 2014, 04:58:43 PM
Israel is a close friend of the United States, and in spite of the "footsie" being played by this administration, the US will be in support of Israel. There will be other countries supporting the Palestinian Terrorists, and there is no end to the various scenarios that can be envisioned as this war continues.

Friend?  No.  Puppet master?  Absolutely.

Let it be said, and let it be known, once and for all, that I am not an anti-Semite.  A person does not invest as much time in the study of the Jews as I have, in the manner that I have, if he hates them.  Aside from anything else, I genuinely love their God, in spite of all of the various challenges to the continuation of said love which have arisen; which many others have succumbed to.  He was the first who came to me, when I was a baby, and I grew up with him.

Yet why, do you ask, do I issue this disclaimer?  I do so because at the same time, in his scripture, Yahweh himself refers to the Jews as a stiff-necked people, and at times complains bitterly of their behaviour; and to put it very mildly, their government at least is currently being stiff-necked.

But I know thy abode, and thy going out, and thy coming in, and thy rage against me.
Because thou rage against me and thy tumult is come up into mine ears, therefore I will put my hook in thy nose, and my bridle in thy lips, and I will turn thee back by the way by which thou camest.

-- SECOND KINGS 19: 27-28

Some will say, that this is perhaps a verse which Israel intended to use against her own enemies.  Yet the sword of the Spirit is two-edged; and may well, in time, come back to shed the blood of those who wield it.

I will admit that my own heart is hard, towards Islam.  I consider it a religion of barbarians, in truth, and have difficulty with the concept that Yahweh and Allah are really one and the same being.  When I am more reasonable, however; when my own belly is full and when the more Orcish, depraved emotions of my own frailty are not upon me, then I know that I must be honest with myself.

It is not right to kill the Palestinians.  We may consider Islam evil, and to at least a certain extent, I will confess that I do; but even if that is the case, to repay evil with more evil is not the right way.  It leads to nothing but death, and grief, and suffering, and chaos; and these are not good things.  The Muslims will not be re-habilitated from their own animalism, for as long as they have the same brutishness visited back upon them.  If they are to be taught kindness, then it must be by example.

It is not right for the Israeli government, to mete out to others, the same misery and death which their own ancestors experienced at Auschwitz, all while ironically invoking Auschwitz to any who would dare to question their actions.  The Jews are an old people, with a long history; and during that history they have themselves shed enough tears to fill both the North Atlantic and the Sigsbee Deep several times over.  They have been at the hands of some of the most inhuman cruelty that Man knows how to inflict.  If Jewish women know what it is like to weep for their own dead children, then why should their husbands cause women of other nations to do the same?  What do they think that will accomplish?

This must stop.  It will not stop, because the Jewish government, like those of all the nations of the world at this time, is primarily psychopathic; but it should stop.  The Jews themselves are also not completely and exclusively to blame, and that must be acknowledged.  Islam must learn, once and for all, that the ummat al-Islamiyah will not, and should not, occupy the entire Earth, and that it should therefore stay out of territory that does not belong to it.
"Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburgers."
        — Abbie Hoffman

Ellirium113

Israel Firing Experimental Weapons at Gaza's Civilians, Say Doctors

QuoteDoctors treating patients in Gaza have accused Israel of using experimental weapons on Palestinian civilians.

Addressing reporters at a press conference on Sunday, Youssef Abul Resh, undersecretary of the health ministry in Gaza said, "Medical teams have registered injuries consistent with those caused by DIME [dense inert metal explosives] and other banned weapons."

He added, "Israel has mercilessly targeted Palestinian civilians leaving many of them with life-threatening injuries and future handicaps."

In the last week, Israeli airstrikes have killed more than 190 people, eighty percent of them civilians, including at least 34 children.

Using Gaza as a laboratory

DIME munitions were developed by the US Air Force in 2006 and have since been tested repeatedly on the people of Gaza, who have long served as involuntary lab rats for Israel's weapons industry.

DIME bombs contain tungsten, a cancer-causing metal that helps to produce incredibly destructive blasts which slice through flesh and bone, often decapitating the lower limbs of people within the blast radius.

Renowned Norwegian doctor Mads Gilbert, who witnessed the horrific injuries caused by DIME bombs during Israel's 2009 Gaza onslaught, told The Electronic Intifada over the phone from al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza City that patients are showing up with DIME-related injuries.

"A good number of the injuries seen here are consistent with the use of dense inert metal explosives, or DIME, that we saw during the 2009 attack and also in 2006," said Gilbert. "The bodies are pretty much destroyed by enormous energy released by the explosives that are shot near them or at them."

Quote"We had a large number of patients who came in with these horrendous injuries where arms and legs were cut off as though a huge ax had chopped off their limbs with a direct immense force, cutting through skin, muscles and bones. Bones would be shattered and completely cut off," Gilbert recounted.  "In addition we saw very very destructive burns coming from some extreme temperature that turned skin, muscle and even bones into charcoal."

Gilbert said that  governments around the world should send forensic experts to Gaza to "analyze the tissue samples from the wounds of the injured and analyze more thoroughly those who are killed," as well as scientists to follow up with those who have survived DIME blasts. Those survivors have an extremely high risk of developing cancer, Gilbert fears.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/07/15-2

Shelling kills four boys on Gaza beach; Israel, Hamas set five-hour truce

QuoteIn one of the worst single incidents of the conflict, an Israeli gunboat off Gaza's Mediterranean coast shelled a beach, killing four boys - two aged 10 and the others 9 and 11 - from one family and critically wounding another youngster, witnesses and Ashraf al-Qidra of the Gaza Health Ministry said.

The Israeli military said the reported civilian casualties were unintended and "tragic" and it was investigating what happened. "Based on preliminary results, the target of this strike was Hamas terrorist operatives," it said in a statement.

Quote"When the first shell hit land, they ran away but another shell hit them all," said Abu Hassera, whose shirt was stained with blood. "It looked as if the shells were chasing them."

Israeli shelling has frequently targeted Gaza beaches, which Israel suspects are staging areas for militants.

QuoteMaher Abu Saa'ed, a 45-year-old doctor in Zeitoun, said that with many areas of Gaza under attack, nowhere was safe and he would not leave despite the telephoned Israeli warning.

"To ask hundreds of people to leave their houses and go to the centre of the city is insane, a sick joke," he said.

Announcing Hamas's formal rejection of Egypt's ceasefire plan, Abu Zuhri said the outcome of deliberations within the Islamist movement "was to reject the proposal and, therefore, Hamas informed Egypt last night it apologises for not accepting it."

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/07/16/uk-palestinians-israel-idUKKBN0FI04D20140716





Israeli interview on the bombing:
http://bcove.me/71itckb6
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