Operation Protective Edge - The Israeli Palestinian-Terriorist War

[rdunk]

This "war" has been going on now "openly" for several days. Both sides are increasingly directing more and heavier attacks toward the other.

Folks, this is an extremely serious situation that has been brewing for a long long time, and this could eventually lead to the involvement of many other countries, including the United States. There is much at stake for both, and it is likely neither will stop until in one or the other is in total defeat - and this could be/or is Israel against much of the muslim world.

Israel is a close friend of the United States, and in spite of the "footsie" being played by this administration, the US will be in support of Israel. There will be other countries supporting the Palestinian Terrorists, and there is no end to the various scenarios that can be envisioned as this war continues.

Because of the seriousness of this situation, I believe it worthwhile for us to have a place here for status, updating, and reporting informationally the circumstances as this war continues. Small wars can be the fusing point of world wars. Right now we are on the sidelines, but very quickly that could change for all of us, wherever we live.

http://www.jpost.com/

http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/IDF-strikes-320-Gaza-targets-over-past-24-hours-362190

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2014-07/04/c_126707457.htm

[Gigas]

I have grave doubts israel is a friend of the US, or of this world.

They seem to be a terror organization inflaming all of the middle east and pulling the US into skirmishes they create.

They attacked the USS liberty and killed Americans for starters.

When pictures emerge of israel being attacked we see bottle rockets laying on the pavement or ground claimed to be fired from Palestine. Nothing big or deadly and no Israeli killed but Israel retaliates with missiles and air strikes that kill Palestinians by the score.

How come if israel is being attacked no israeli are killed but when israel attacks, people are killed.

Something wrong with that picture.

[robomont]

i dont understand why hamas doesnt fire the missiles at a low angle .that way the missile skims just over building tops and iron dome would not be able to shoot them down.
so far iron dome is 90% success which means 10% are making it through.good odds for the downtrodden.
also kinda shocked that iron dome american tech actually works,with all the failures weve had lately with our tech.

what really bugs me is israel should be able to see in real time where the missile guys are.having spy sattelites.they should be able to drone the missiles.
thats why i believe israel has been allowing this to happen to justify taking more land.allowing hamas small victories whil israel screems and says we have to bomb the hell out of palestine.israel are scum.

[Ellirium113]

i dont understand why hamas doesnt fire the missiles at a low angle .that way the missile skims just over building tops and iron dome would not be able to shoot them down.

The guidance systems on these rockets consist of "eyeballing it" from what I understand, so for them to hit ANYTHING at all would be purely by luck. To do this into a neighboring country miles away without even being able to see the target would be quite a task. 

[rdunk]

i dont understand why hamas doesnt fire the missiles at a low angle .that way the missile skims just over building tops and iron dome would not be able to shoot them down.
so far iron dome is 90% success which means 10% are making it through.good odds for the downtrodden.
also kinda shocked that iron dome american tech actually works,with all the failures weve had lately with our tech.

what really bugs me is israel should be able to see in real time where the missile guys are.having spy sattelites.they should be able to drone the missiles.
thats why i believe israel has been allowing this to happen to justify taking more land.allowing hamas small victories whil israel screems and says we have to bomb the hell out of palestine.israel are scum.

Hi Robo, good to see you! Robo, with just general observation over the years, the palestinians/Hamas to me seem somewhat pretty technically challenged/deficient. Any dummy can wear a suicide bomb, but war is way more technical today than it was just a few years back in the desert. Sling-shots are out, and drones are in. Camels are out, and highly sophisticated weapons are in - for some like Israel. In a today's war, if when one shoots any type of weapon one does not already know where it will hit, then this one will likely lose the war because one's opponent probably does know before shooting.

The widely differing "opinions" about Israel and its objectives are interesting, as we read the responses!

But, so far I haven't sensed any real concern that this war very well could envelop the entire world before it is over?

[rdunk]

I have grave doubts israel is a friend of the US, or of this world.

They seem to be a terror organization inflaming all of the middle east and pulling the US into skirmishes they create.

They attacked the USS liberty and killed Americans for starters.

When pictures emerge of israel being attacked we see bottle rockets laying on the pavement or ground claimed to be fired from Palestine. Nothing big or deadly and no Israeli killed but Israel retaliates with missiles and air strikes that kill Palestinians by the score.

How come if israel is being attacked no israeli are killed but when israel attacks, people are killed.

Something wrong with that picture.

Relative to the Liberty Ship comment, that did happen, but possibly not so much as you seem to think.

Here is a lengthy wiki discourse on this, and yes the Israelis did attack the ship, but there is a lot of "circumstance" associated with the historical details.

For you gigas, and any here who like me might not have a history of knowledge on this event.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

[rdunk]

Another Jerusalem Post news article of importance on this. I haven't seen anything on this in the US yet, but it may have been released.

"Obama speaks with Netanyahu, offering to broker ceasefire with Hamas"
US President reaffirms Israel's right to defend itself against attacks; Congress prepares resolution supporting Israel, condemning Hamas "unprovoked" actions; State Department points finger at Hamas as perpetrator of crisis.

VIENNA -- The United States is prepared to facilitate a cessation of hostilities between Israel and Hamas in the Gaza Strip, US President Barack Obama told Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu by phone today.

In the call, Obama "reiterated the United States' strong condemnation of continuing rocket fire into Israel by Hamas and other terrorist organizations in Gaza and reaffirmed Israel's right to defend itself against these attacks," the White House said in a readout of the conversation.

And then it gets even more interesting - - But Netanyahu has ruled out a ceasefire with Hamas in the short-term. On the contrary, the Israeli leader has vowed a series of additional stages to Operation Protective Edge— his government's response to continued rocket fire on Israeli towns and cities, after Hamas, a terrorist organization, stockpiled tens of thousands of rockets in the coastal territory over the last several years.

A ceasefire is "not even on the agenda," Netanyahu told members of the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, just hours before his call with the US leader.

The president also expressed concern, the press secretary's office continued, "about the risk of further escalation and emphasized the need for all sides to do everything they can to protect the lives of civilians and restore calm."

Netanyahu/Israel simply knows that a cease fire now will change nothing in the minds and hearts of Hamas and the palestinians, whereas a total resulting obvious defeat could have a very broad long term effect on them. In addition, any type of Israeli victory would give Israel superior standing for any resulting negotiations.

More:
http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Obama-speaks-with-Netanyahu-offering-to-broker-ceasefire-with-Hamas-362349

[rdunk]

Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman called on the government to "go all the way" and "eradicate the Hamas regime in Gaza."


That is precisely what they need to do! Otherwise, the continuous fighting continues. Hamas is a terrorist group, and should be "eliminated". This war now is just another case of Israel responding to Hamas terrorism.

http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Netanyahu-IDF-offensive-in-Gaza-to-continue-until-quiet-is-restored-in-south-362434

[robomont]

yep hamas is just as much a terrorist group as israel is.both should die .the sooner the better.

[rdunk]

yep hamas is just as much a terrorist group as israel is.both should die .the sooner the better.

I know the muslims advertise the Jews to be "terrorists", but a good part of the rest of the world does not subscribe to that as fact. muslims hate the Jews, and therein lies the source/seed of their terrorism against Israel. Of course, the terrorism of the muslims does not begin and end at Israel's border, as it is the muslims' desire to take over the entire world, with their sharia law.

[rdunk]

This is not a direct part of the war, but it does make an important statement relative to the position of the people of the United States regarding Israel's right to defend itself!

Fox News
FOREIGN AFFAIRS

House approves resolution backing Israel's right to defend itself against Hamas
Published July 11, 2014 FoxNews


The House of Representatives on Friday approved a non-binding resolution backing Israel's right to defend itself against Hamas rocket attacks.

The vote comes as Hamas-fired rockets stream into Israel's airspace, though most are being intercepted by Israel's advanced defense system.

The House adopted the resolution by unanimous consent, and there was no roll call vote.

Rep. Steve Israel, D-N.Y., who co-sponsored the resolution with Rep. Tom Cole, R-Okla., called the Hamas attacks "unprovoked and unwarranted."

"Israel is one of America's most important and loyal friends. As the world has watched the unrest and tension reach a new height over the last several days with rockets fired into Israel by Hamas, we remain supportive of Israel's right to combat these terrorist acts," Cole said.

Fox News' Chad Pergram contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/11/house-approves-resolution-backing-israel-right-to-defend-itself-against-hamas/?intcmp=latestnews

[robomont]

and the zionist jews want to turn us all into their slaveswithout saying it to our faces.look at their history prior to ww1 and 2.
the christian churches brainwash us into believing the jew is our friend.

so death or slavery are our choices so i go for death for both.

[burntheships]

And let us not forget how the Islamic Arab world has advanced.

When Muhammad, the Prophet of Islam, died in 632 the new religion had already gathered a number of impressive victories on the battlefield. The armies of Islam quickly and easily conquered the Arabian peninsula before moving on to take the homelands of their various neighbours. Marching out of Arabia in 639 they entered non-Arab Egypt; 43 years later they reached the shores of the Atlantic; and in 711 they invaded Spain. In just 70 years they had subdued the whole of North Africa, instituting a new order. This conquest, from the Nile to the Atlantic, was more complete than anything achieved by previous invaders and the changes it wrought proved permanent. http://www.historytoday.com/eamonn-gearon/arab-invasions-first-islamic-empire   

This is the advancement of Sharia Law. How will that ever fit
in todays world where western women are Senators, and Chancellors,
and Queens?

Taking the land out of the picture, one must ask how does it benefit
the world to embrace a very backwards, repressive  Islamic religion? 

[robomont]

i agree bts with you point,but slavery is not an option either.the jews controlled the media in germany prior to the wars.just as they do now.using it to steer the populace towards depravity,and to manipulate governance by biasing the msm towards certain pro israel candidates.
ever notice how many websites ban discussion of israels evils by using the term anti semetic like the olbummer administration uses racism as a catch all rebuttal.

i was reading a thread at lop about why switzerland never gets picked on and has the highest standard of living.most folks in the know said it had alot to do with them basically being agnostic or atheist.
the more religion the united states has the more trouble the country is in for.

its by training us to be intolerable of acts.to train us to be judgemental.like the drug war.

if religion cant be banned then death is the only option,otherwise we shall have more plagues like communism was to macarthy and the drug war is the usa.fanatisism cost a country its wealth.

personally i think the priorities of a country or region should be compassion first and science second.

in the past i was a religious zealot.i lived on the border of suicide and confusion.
once i turned my back on it,ive had more peace in my life than i ever had before.
deny real ignorance.lol

[robomont]

i also think this is staged for armageddon.it has the markings.
yesterday a draft notice went out to  people in pennsylvania born from 1893-1897.
this was a typo at selective service.it was meant for  1993-1997.

why would they be sending out draft notices.some would say its a test run.getting the machine warmed up.
remember the ss office got armed by olbummer as well as the post office.plus you got politicians saying our military is weak and our billion dollar planes are grounded.
our ships are in port just like at pearl.
the stage is being set and the pawns are being placed.the lead and mercury have been hoarded.the food stores are stocked.the mraps have been placed to defend the draft.the immigrant teens will make great fodder when operation get behind the darky begins.as most are around seventeen and will be primed when nobody will hire them because of language and lack of skills.
israel will be nuked by isis and the religious nuts will not need to be drafted.they will sign up for the war by the millions.hoping they are the raptured,which russia and china will gladly aid them in.the rich will hide in the bunkers as the religious zealot ash falls like snow from the sky.