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[petrus4]

This is going to get interesting...

Anon has Masks and hackers on their side

KKK has Hoods and guns, and 'good ole boys' on their side

"Marxist useful idiots to the Left of me; inbred, moonshine-drinking anachronisms to the Right."





If there is any group on the planet who I really would advocate the use of live ammunition against, it is the Klan.  As much as I genuinely do detest civil rights, they make me ashamed to be white.

[WarToad]

"To the KKK and police: be peaceful or you will feel the consequences," the video stated. "To the protesters: do not be afraid. We are here for you and will protect and serve you. We are the law now."[/color]

Ahhh.  Good old fashioned vigilantism.  Nothing ever goes wrong with that.  Just throw a little more fuel on the fire and call it good.   

[Wrabbit2000]

Considering that the bulk of Us are malnourished, or starving, it is not because WE chose anything.  We were born into a world where poverty is rampant and NO choice is available except starving or crime.  These are the choices for a huge portion of Humanity.  And still, many choose to starve rather than resort to crime.

What you are describing is also referred to as a form of Social Darwinism and generally follows that the rich are rich because they were meant to reach that. The poor are poor because they just can't do any better and deserve their fate, and the rest are stuck in the middle by no choice of their own, but also with no options or hope of really changing it. All this having been determined by status, class and birthright.

People like Rockefeller and the other industrial titans of the early 20th and late 19th espoused that and many still DO as a way to explain why the rich are rich and the poor are poor. It also has a bonus of keeping a good % from ever even trying to be more than they are today, if they believe anything about that philosophy.

I think it's a crock of hooey and a very comfy excuse for those without, to blame those with ...without ever having to face the idea that they COULD change their OWN situation, if motivated strongly enough or making opportunity for themselves.

[WarToad]

Completely agree Wrabbit2k.  It's easier to put the blame somewhere else and whine about what ought to be done, than to actually get your azz out there and DO IT.  The whole mindset of "take from the rich and redistribute to the poor" is a sad sad state of affairs.  This is YOUR life.  You either take control, or accept what you get.

(Spoiler:  You get a lot less from handouts.)

[Sinny]

That is the biggest pile of BULL POOP I ever heard...

Down in Mexico many are poor and starving...and drug lords rule the land... they risk their very lives at times to come to America and WORK  They take those jobs that LAZY ASS AMERICANS don't want to do... and most of them (while I do NOT support illegals) make a dam good living in a short time... with enough to send some extra back home. Hell the guy behind me drives a Humvee

Crime? sure with the illegals a portion are into drugs etc, but the vast majority come to pick your fruits and vegetables, a job few lazy Americans will touch... and soon they are the gardeners, the dry wallers, the concrete pourers  and other high paid construction jobs.  that SHOULD be filled by lazy ass Americans.

They get food stamps and even free medical, even though they are illegal. They are the 'robots' that some people here want to do all the work 

Many do  A lot of former wall street and bankers are on the streets by choice but what they DON'T Do is take ANY opportunity to get OUT of the situation they are born into. Yes it IS possible for most in America... its not EASY but it is POSSIBLE

uh huh...

Well organize a charity campaign that REALLY gets the money to those who need it... not like Red Cross etc where the money goes who knows where? And maybe if certain nations would stop dumping their trash and crapping in their own water they might have less disease.

4 months after Japan's Tsunami the 5-6 BILLION collected by the Red Cross... not a dime had gone to Japan yet...  Its not like they needed any help in the IMMEDIATE time right?

Is this the same Red Cross that you were touting support for in a previous post to me?

Lol.

[Sinny]

What you are describing is also referred to as a form of Social Darwinism and generally follows that the rich are rich because they were meant to reach that. The poor are poor because they just can't do any better and deserve their fate, and the rest are stuck in the middle by no choice of their own, but also with no options or hope of really changing it. All this having been determined by status, class and birthright.

People like Rockefeller and the other industrial titans of the early 20th and late 19th espoused that and many still DO as a way to explain why the rich are rich and the poor are poor. It also has a bonus of keeping a good % from ever even trying to be more than they are today, if they believe anything about that philosophy.

I think it's a crock of hooey and a very comfy excuse for those without, to blame those with ...without ever having to face the idea that they COULD change their OWN situation, if motivated strongly enough or making opportunity for themselves.

Any economist will tell you that wealth creates wealth, and those born into poverty have very little possibility of improving their situation due to various social contructs.

I feel as though some people on this forum just have to argue against this FACT for the sake of inflating their own ego's.

[Sinny]

Please tell me how a poor starving African child can improve his/her situation?

We're not talking about actual lazy people, we're talking about humans that are genuinely trapped into a system they cannot change themselves.

The mentally of some people here is disturbing to say the LEAST.

[Sinny]

Completely agree Wrabbit2k.  It's easier to put the blame somewhere else and whine about what ought to be done, than to actually get your azz out there and DO IT.  The whole mindset of "take from the rich and redistribute to the poor" is a sad sad state of affairs.  This is YOUR life.  You either take control, or accept what you get.

(Spoiler:  You get a lot less from handouts.)

Wow.

Is the only politically correct response I can offer to that.

There's a place for people with opinions like that, I believe the Christians call it hell.

I suppose you 'New Agers' would call it 'Service to Self', paint it in flowers, whilst 'shrugging' it off, hoping you next incarnation is on Pluto where the grass is blue..

[WarToad]

Any economist will tell you that wealth creates wealth, and those born into poverty have very little possibility of improving their situation due to various social contructs.

Since there are plenty of rags to riches stories and rich kids gone broke... this statement really doesn't hold water.  People do move up and down the economic ladder.

If you believe you are born into your lot and there's nothing you can do about it, then life isn't really worth living, is it?  You're just playing out the role assigned to you, counting off the days until you die.  A mentality like that would make one want to punch out early.  I'll pass on all of that.  I choose free will.

[WarToad]

Ah, claiming moral high ground.     Makes one feel good.

I've offended you with the realities of the way of the world.  I beg forgiveness and will get back to work.

[petrus4]

People like Rockefeller and the other industrial titans of the early 20th and late 19th espoused that and many still DO as a way to explain why the rich are rich and the poor are poor. It also has a bonus of keeping a good % from ever even trying to be more than they are today, if they believe anything about that philosophy.

I think it's a crock of hooey and a very comfy excuse for those without, to blame those with ...without ever having to face the idea that they COULD change their OWN situation, if motivated strongly enough or making opportunity for themselves.

I don't believe in Marxist class theory, and agree with you that it is primarily a means for people to advocate abdication of personal responsibility.  At the same time, in my opinion, evil is an unavoidable pre-requisite of both the accumulation and maintenance of genuinely large scale monetary wealth.  That is an immutable law, to the same extent as gravity.

[petrus4]

Any economist will tell you that wealth creates wealth.

An important point needs to be made here.  Wealth does not, in fact, create wealth.  Usury creates wealth.

And we have found the answer to our original question, Whether the art of getting wealth is the business of the manager of a household and of the statesman or not their business? viz., that wealth is presupposed by them. For as political science does not make men, but takes them from nature and uses them, so too nature provides them with earth or sea or the like as a source of food. At this stage begins the duty of the manager of a household, who has to order the things which nature supplies; he may be compared to the weaver who has not to make but to use wool, and to know, too, what sort of wool is good and serviceable or bad and unserviceable. Were this otherwise, it would be difficult to see why the art of getting wealth is a part of the management of a household and the art of medicine not; for surely the members of a household must have health just as they must have life or any other necessary. The answer is that as from one point of view the master of the house and the ruler of the state have to consider about health, from another point of view not they but the physician; so in one way the art of household management, in another way the subordinate art, has to consider about wealth. But, strictly speaking, as I have already said, the means of life must be provided beforehand by nature; for the business of nature is to furnish food to that which is born, and the food of the offspring is always what remains over of that from which it is produced. Wherefore the art of getting wealth out of fruits and animals is always natural.

There are two sorts of wealth-getting, as I have said; one is a part of household management, the other is retail trade: the former necessary and honorable, while that which consists in exchange is justly censured; for it is unnatural, and a mode by which men gain from one another. The most hated sort, and with the greatest reason, is usury, which makes a gain out of money itself, and not from the natural object of it. For money was intended to be used in exchange, but not to increase at interest. And this term interest, which means the birth of money from money, is applied to the breeding of money because the offspring resembles the parent. Wherefore of an modes of getting wealth this is the most unnatural.
        -- Aristotle, Politics, Book I, Part X.

Not contented with this, he resolved to make a division of their movables too, that there might be no odious distinction or inequality left amongst them; but finding that it would be very dangerous to go about it openly, he took another course, and defeated their avarice by the following stratagem: he commanded that all gold and silver coin should be called in, and that only a sort of money made of iron should be current, a great weight and quantity of which was very little worth; so that to lay up twenty or thirty pounds there was required a pretty large closet, and, to remove it, nothing less than a yoke of oxen. With the diffusion of this money, at once a number of vices were banished from Lacedaemon; for who would rob another of such a coin? Who would unjustly detain or take by force, or accept as a bribe, a thing which it was not easy to hide, nor a credit to have, nor indeed of any use to cut in pieces? For when it was just red hot, they quenched it in vinegar, and by that means spoilt it, and made it almost incapable of being worked.

In the next place, he declared an outlawry of all needless and superfluous arts; but here he might almost have spared his proclamation; for they of themselves would have gone after the gold and silver, the money which remained being not so proper payment for curious work; for, being of iron, it was scarcely portable, neither, if they should take the means to export it, would it pass amongst the other Greeks, who ridiculed it. So there was now no more means of purchasing foreign goods and small wares; merchants sent no shiploads into Laconian ports; no rhetoric-master, no itinerate fortune-teller, no harlot-monger, or gold or silversmith, engraver, or jeweller, set foot in a country which had no money; so that luxury, deprived little by little of that which fed and fomented it, wasted to nothing and died away of itself. For the rich had no advantage here over the poor, as their wealth and abundance had no road to come abroad by but were shut up at home doing nothing. And in this way they became excellent artists in common, necessary things; bedsteads, chairs, and tables, and such like staple utensils in a family, were admirably well made there; their cup, particularly, was very much in fashion, and eagerly bought up by soldiers, as Critias reports; for its colour was such as to prevent water, drunk upon necessity and disagreeable to look at, from being noticed; and the shape of it was such that the mud stuck to the sides, so that only the purer part came to the drinker's mouth. For this also, they had to thank their lawgiver, who, by relieving the artisans of the trouble of making useless things, set them to show their skill in giving, beauty to those of daily and indispensable use.
        -- Plutarch, Lycurgus.

Money, in and of itself, and entirely aside from its' actual use, is inherently and unavoidably evil.  This is because the very principles and mechanisms upon which the accumulation of wealth depends, are themselves evil.  Look into it, and you will find that if there is a single thing which every one of the great religions was unanimous in condemning, including Greek philosophy, it was usury.  Judaism advocated usury as a weapon against other people, but did not condone it among Jews themselves.

[Somamech]

People.souls Create Wealth YOU FOOLS

[zorgon]

(Spoiler:  You get a lot less from handouts.)

A few years back in Salt Lake City....

There was a man who made the news.

What he did was every morning he put on his bum clothes and went to one of his favorite corners to ask for handouts.

Surprisingly enough, many people DO drop their loose change in the hat.

So you ask...  how much?

Well THAT is why he made the evening news,,,

He was averaging $300.00 a DAY. With that money he bought a house up on the hill and a Ferari. He was taken to court because he did NOT pay income tax on this money.

Well it turns out that in the USA pan handling is LEGAL and there is NO INCOME TAX collected on Pan Handling.

Now obviously the Law Makers never anticipated a Pan Handler making $300.00 a DAY... But at the end of the day, there was NOTHING that they could do as he was 100% within the law...

Last I heard he is still on those corners

Now I am not suggesting you all go out and become Pan Handlers BUT the point is here is someone who changed from pauper to well off on the hill by his own actions without turning to crime.

And then there is THIS guy...



Wanna bet he gets one?   

[zorgon]

Is this the same Red Cross that you were touting support for in a previous post to me?

Not me... I have never touted support for the Red Cross. Ever since 9/11 when that money they collected never reached the people (save a few bucks) I have spoken against them. Several posts of mine have been about the vast money the heads of these 'charities' make

I have supported Opportunity Village... a local charity that takes care of the mentally handicapped.  At least I KNOW where that money goes  even though the directors of that org also make $120,000 a year (this is the current cap for a director of a regular non profit)

Red Faces At The Red Cross - CBS News
Jul 30, 2002 - Local Chapters Kept 9/11 Money Instead Of Sending It In For Victims. ... Part Three: 9/11 Fund Threatened Red Cross' "Leaky Piggy Bank".

Article has been pulled  http://www.cbsnews.com/news/red-faces-at-the-red-cross/

The Red Cross Coming Home to Roost: Remember 9/11, Anyone?

mericans have a short and forgiving historical memory. Most can remember last year's Super Bowl champs and World Series winners, but few seem able to remember a $1 billion scandal involving the American Red Cross following 9/11, America's most disastrous terrorist or military attack on its homeland.

The details are brief. The Red Cross responded to 9/11 by opening a few shelters to which no one came; tried to trace missing persons but were pushed aside when the World Trade Center site was dubbed a crime scene and police and FBI took over identification of missing persons; and, served coffee and donuts to rescue workers at the World Trade Center site only to be accused of charging for them. (It later paid Daniel Bouley, New York's star chef, to cook for them after the news about charging for coffee was made public.)

The Red Cross' own 9/11 Liberty Fund indeed shows only $336,000 in US or state government reimbursement for what little it did do as a "first responder," a designation equal to police, fire and emergency medical service personnel.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-walden/the-red-cross-coming-home_b_7653.html

The current President and CEO of the American Red Cross (since 2008) is Gail J. McGovern, whose total yearly compensation for 2010 was about $1,037,000   Source SNOPES

Here are the other 'charities' 

TOP 25 COMPENSATION PACKAGES
http://www.charitywatch.org/hottopics/Top25.html

Did Your Donation Really Reach Japan? (Probably Not.)

Twitter is full of anxious donors, retweeting to text REDCROSS to 90999 to make $10 donation. Now, there's nothing wrong with this donation: The American Red Cross is a superb organization. But Japan hasn't actually asked them for help just yet.

In other words, you may think your money is helping disaster relief in Japan. But from the press releases we've seen today, no US-based nonprofits are actually deploying to Japan yet.

This example isn't intended to single out The American Red Cross. From what we can tell, every major relief organization with an American chapter is doing the same thing: raising funds for if and when they're deployed to Japan or anywhere else affected by the day's events. Doctors Without Borders may be an exception, as they've sent a scouting crew ahead.

We were unable to reach The American Red Cross or a few other organizations for comment, but we did talk to Charity Navigator about the ordeal, one of the leading authorities on nonprofits—particularly on how nonprofits are spending their money.

They confirmed, it doesn't appear that Japan has asked anyone for outside assistance just yet. And we have no way of knowing if they'll actually need it.

"Every disaster is different. It's too early to tell [if Japan needs outside assistance]," explained Charity Navigator VP Sandra Miniutti. "Waiting 24-36 hours to donate wouldn't be a bad thing,"

So why is everyone asking for money? Natural disasters bring in donations. Hurricane Katrina brought $3.3 billion to date. Haiti has brought in $1.4 billion so far. And when is the best time to ask someone for money? When he can see floods, fires and other devastation on TV.

BILLIONS  and no one knows where all that money goes.

Not saying they don't do ANY good...  but a lot of that money people donate just gets sucked up in "administration"