LIVE from Ferguson, MO...Police Firing on Protestors, Media...Please share!

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Ok, Mr. Politically UnCorrect here...

First...there should be a dusk to dawn curfew.
Second....if you are on the street after dusk, you better have a damn good reason or you go to jail...
Third....ALL LOOTERS WILL BE SHOT DEAD...Molotov cocktail in your hand, you ARE DEAD...


Having actually lived through Katrina, I know a little about it...the National Guard was there from day one...it was only after the levee broke did it become impossible to move around...

The National guard got to the west bank on Wednesday and escorted us out....Only because of the tremendous damage done to the electric grid, no power, no sewage. We ran out of gas for our generator so we had to leave. Plaquemines and St. Bernard parishes suffered the worst damage from the hurricane...New Orleans was basically untouched until the levee broke. The eye of Katrina missed my house by 2 miles so I know what I'm talking about.

Yes there are bad cops, but the good really outnumber the bad 1000 to 1...
And the cops life on the beat so to speak is NOTHING like what the average citizen life....not even close...


Ok I'm done....

[petrus4]

You are confusing MONEY with WEALTH.  Wealth INDEED DOES create WEALTH.  I will agree that USURY is EVIL and I will further agree that wealthy people who hoard that wealth are evil... because if they SPENT that money they would actually make MORE money long term

While I am not conceding that you are universally correct, I acknowledge that with this post, you are right, and that revision of my previous opinion is called for.  Mea culpa.

[petrus4]

Rock, realise that with this post, I am still willing to grant you a greater measure of respect than you are me; because I will still respond to you expressing your opinions, even if I disagree with them.

First...there should be a dusk to dawn curfew.

For how long should this curfew last, is the immediate question?  I suspect that current American authorities would be far too eager to make it permanent.

Third....ALL LOOTERS WILL BE SHOT DEAD...Molotov cocktail in your hand, you ARE DEAD...

Rock, given that you would no doubt be swift to remind me that you have active military experience, (if you were still willing to communicate with me, at least) then surely the concept of escalation was included in your training.  The use of lethal force would most likely expand and intensify the current unrest, rather than reducing it.

The rioters usually do not seem to be from Ferguson itself, but come from other states.  That being the case, there are suggestions that I could make for de-escalation, here.

a}  Police checkpoints surrounding either Ferguson's outer perimeter, or the more immediate vicinity of the disturbance.  Nobody should be allowed in without adequate reason, and shoppers should generally be diverted elsewhere, so that can not be used as an excuse.  An exception for journalists; but only if they can prove that.

b}  The use of non-lethal, major tranquilising agents against protesters carrying molotov cocktails.  We need a real implementation of the stun setting of Star Trek's phasers for law enforcement.  This way the subject is rendered harmless without being killed.

c}  A ban on anyone associated with the American Communist Party, Occupy, or any other Leftist NGO or activist group (such as Human Rights Watch or Amnesty International) from entering the area.  While journalists should be let in, foreign/external activists absolutely should not be.  This is to prevent escalation, as well as preventing government efforts, to use the incident as pretext for increased authoritarianism.

Having actually lived through Katrina, I know a little about it...the National Guard was there from day one...it was only after the levee broke did it become impossible to move around...

Blackwater were there as well.

[spacemaverick]

Ok, Mr. Politically UnCorrect here...

First...there should be a dusk to dawn curfew.
Second....if you are on the street after dusk, you better have a damn good reason or you go to jail...
Third....ALL LOOTERS WILL BE SHOT DEAD...Molotov cocktail in your hand, you ARE DEAD...


Having actually lived through Katrina, I know a little about it...the National Guard was there from day one...it was only after the levee broke did it become impossible to move around...

The National guard got to the west bank on Wednesday and escorted us out....Only because of the tremendous damage done to the electric grid, no power, no sewage. We ran out of gas for our generator so we had to leave. Plaquemines and St. Bernard parishes suffered the worst damage from the hurricane...New Orleans was basically untouched until the levee broke. The eye of Katrina missed my house by 2 miles so I know what I'm talking about.

Yes there are bad cops, but the good really outnumber the bad 1000 to 1...
And the cops life on the beat so to speak is NOTHING like what the average citizen life....not even close...


Ok I'm done....

Sarge, I'm with ya on this.  In 2004 when we had the 4 hurricanes (almost one after another) we had National Guard and a police task force from various cities along with curfews in place.  We have 2 particular towns that could have presented problems.  Those towns were very quiet due to the presence of active National Guard and police task force.  We had a threat but the THUGS did very little because of the presence.  Oh. BTW...National Guard guns were loaded....yes...private military and law enforcement professional companies were active also.  I know because I was in law enforcement at that time.  The presence was there and there was no backing up in the presence of any threats... showing weakness in the presence of a threat only gives the bad side an edge.  The shops and businesses being burned are owned by both blacks and whites.

I tell everybody one thing....take the police out of the cities one day with no law enforcement presence and see what happens..

[Sinny]

Ok, Mr. Politically UnCorrect here...

First...there should be a dusk to dawn curfew.
Second....if you are on the street after dusk, you better have a damn good reason or you go to jail...
Third....ALL LOOTERS WILL BE SHOT DEAD...Molotov cocktail in your hand, you ARE DEAD...

Lol. You can't be serious? Breaking curfew = Death Penalty?

Remind me never to never accept your authority.

The above is so tremendously disturbed, I sharn't even address it.

[ArMaP]

Lol. You can't be serious? Breaking curfew = Death Penalty?

That's not what he wrote.

[petrus4]

Lol. You can't be serious? Breaking curfew = Death Penalty?

No, he said jail for breaking curfew.  The death penalty was for possession of a molotov cocktail.  Rock also made that recommendation, as someone who can guess what it might be like, to be the recipient of a molotov cocktail.  When you look at it like that, his view becomes easier to understand.

[RUSSO]

I find this interesting...I guess I'm not normal.  I wanted to be a cop and corrections officer because I thought I could make a difference.  Soldier, cop, corrections officer....just wanted to make a difference.

Congratulations! But i must say this is nothing more than obligation when you decide to wear that uniform.

Being ethical is nothing to boast about. 

Interesting set of opinions on this thread.  How many have actually walked a mile in the shoes of an officer and know what they deal with everyday?  Just a thought...

I understand your point, but i dont need to be a soldier, cop, corrections officer... to know when they are doing wrong. Police brutality and abuse of power clashes with the idea of serve and protect very often.

We see those news everyday.

There are theories about why this is the way it is. And they are never good for the crowd.

Foucault for example defines police as "the totality of measures which make work possible and necessary for all those who would not live without it.

Police

They say that it's here
To help!
They say that it's here
To protect!
I know that it can
Arrest you!
I know that it can
Take you!...

Police!
For those who need
Police!
For those who need
The police...

They tell you
To obey!
They tell you
To answer!
They tell you
To cooperate!
They tell you
To be respectful!...

Police!
For those who need
Police!
For those who need
The police...

 

[RUSSO]

The above seems to be ignoring the glaring fact that it is within the upper echlons of said organisations that have been infiltrated with these immoral persons.

Im not ignoring anything. You are pointing the cause you sees fit about the police instituition. Not everything has to be a conspiracy. Bad professional happens everywhere.

Now... when you talk about the INSTITUTION, thats a whole different story. You have to go to the roots of why police force exists. You think it is there to serve you?

"The strategic adversary is fascism... the fascism in us all, in our heads and in our everyday behavior, the fascism that causes us to love power, to desire the very thing that dominates and exploits us."
Michel Foucault

How do I expect my local police force to maintain moral high standing whilst their BOSSES, Scotland Yard and MI6 are in up to 'it' by their necks?

As above... so below.

[petrus4]

"The strategic adversary is fascism... the fascism in us all, in our heads and in our everyday behavior, the fascism that causes us to love power, to desire the very thing that dominates and exploits us."

That was described in remarkably fascist terms.

Still, that's the other terrible thing about fascism; it's like a tarpit.  The harder you struggle to get out of it, the deeper in you sink.  I write tirades against fascism here myself.  You won't catch me going to the Shrine of Remembrance in Melbourne to watch a dawn service to save my life, and you have all read the rambling screeds that I write against the police.

Yet I do so with the avatar of an Orcish Hunter wearing shoulder armour, who herself is a member of a race of berserkers.  I'm also currently sitting here reading Xenophon's Constitution of the Lacedaemonians.

But I'm not a fascist.  Honest.  Oh, no.  Not at all.  Not one bit.  You must be thinking of someone else.



*Bats Orcish eyelashes angelically.*

This is what Zorgon and the veterans here do not understand about me.  What I contend and wrestle with internally, I do here externally.  South Node, Chiron, and Venus in Aries in the 12th house natally, kids.  Seven aspects to Pluto, including a Mars Pluto trine.  I hear the siren song of fascism as loudly as any of the rest of you.  The difference is, that I recognise it as the monster it is, and while I at times choose to indulge it in ways that are not harmful, (such as WoW as one example) for the most part I fight it.

As above, so below, indeed.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Lol. You can't be serious? Breaking curfew = Death Penalty?

Remind me never to never accept your authority.

The above is so tremendously disturbed, I sharn't even address it.

Somehow but not surprisingly, you've got it wrong. You must be having a hard time reading and comprehending the English language.

I'll say it rrrrreeeeaaaalllllll ssssssllllllooooowwwwww.....

Looters will be shot DEAD

Break curfew....go to jail....

shall I repeat it??


@PETRUS

"For how long should this curfew last, is the immediate question?  I suspect that current American authorities would be far too eager to make it permanent."

The curfew would last as long as the public would allow it.

Your last statement is totally ridiculous.

[petrus4]

Your last statement is totally ridiculous.

[Sinny]

Somehow but not surprisingly, you've got it wrong. You must be having a hard time reading and comprehending the English language.

I'll say it rrrrreeeeaaaalllllll ssssssllllllooooowwwwww.....

Looters will be shot DEAD

Break curfew....go to jail....

shall I repeat it??

You say that like I get a lot of things wrong 

Well, I wasn't so wrong - It's still disturbing to think you want looters shot dead.

What such murderous tendencies you have 

Why is it I have got my wrist slapped previously for stating on this forum, that I'd like to see murderous cops shot dead, but here we have a guy saying he like to see looters shot dead - and that's AOKAY. ?

[Sinny]

No wonder we're living in a fascist state (the 5 eyes) - half of you are welcoming it with open arms.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Sinny i see the point you're trying to make. I understand it. What is distrubing is your notion that there isn't a difference between someone up holding the law and someone breaking the law.

You've worked your butt off building a business for your family. Countless hours of work, financial hardship thrown out the window because someone wants to steal and burn you out so they can get something for nothing?

"You say that like I get a lot of things wrong  "

Yes you do. IMO....

Killing someone is the last thing I would WANT to do but if it's my life, my family, my business (goes hand in hand)...give me a wide berth....