Martyn Stubbs 99 Proof of UFOs: #1-STS-63 examined by a UFO

[Sinny]

OK but I just don't think we would show our "own" craft off during a docking op....being on live TV..no..not a chance..also their are NOT separate countries in this 'game'. There would be one unified command & no need to be anywhere near this "fake" space event.

(I'm still unsure of the "we have built space ships ourselves" theory.)

What makes you presume that there would be no other countries, or no other 'players?

One unified command? Historically, the human race hasn't faired very well in unification.

Have you ever came across Dr Peter Beter and the Battle of Harvest Moon?

[Sinny]

Astro, Jim Oberg is NASA's official UFO debunker..
And not a very good one at that, according to him the intelligent movements of the UFO's during the Tether Incident are Ice Particles..

I bet any 4 year old could inform him that Ice doesn't move intelligently.

[Sinny]

Quoting zorgon:

"Thouands of Orbs seen daily that seem to have no substance or purpose"

Here's my snap shot of two different Orbs: (Martyn ay not have saw this photo)
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3137.0

The one on the left (photo does not do it justice) seemed large and translucent, it was either chasing or being chased by jets.

The one on the right, I did not witness at the time of photo, but did see it in person a week prior, and was small and mettallic.

Any theories on the two types? And purposes?

Also, was Trevor Constable, the critter investigator, also the same Trevor Constable who claimed to have alien communication?
I'm being lazy, I'll go and find out now...

[ArMaP]

ArMaP..check out the lower left of the picture after NASA goes to the shuttle camera, & look at the pulsing object..turn up the brightness if you have to, & please note that the object is in the same spot that we last see it from the Russian camera shooting above.

The shuttle camera? Do you mean this image?

[ArMaP]

I see Jim Oberg is a main member on ATS...was it also said that he had worked for NASA or had connections there...

He is also a Pegasus member.

With this one, from what I can see...when at 4 mins 30 we see the video of the space shuttle....there seems to be a dim light to the right on what we see....and its below what looks like the two lights that may seem like eyes..with a brighter light above..

I suppose you mean this:

Later on at 5 mins 16 secs... the camera moves towards that light on the right...for about 15 secs and then zooms back out..the light is now ABOVE the two lights (eyes)...is this because that light is moved or the shuttle has moved..

And this:

That's the only thing I see that could be considered a UFO on that video. And the movement could be from either the light or the shuttle, as they are orbiting at something like 90 minutes for a complete orbit, so they are moving fast.

At about 5 min 42 we see the two images...and the one we were watching...I see what looks like something appear over the image that may be described as critter like..that covers a large part of the image when zoomed out..

as it later zooms back to the one image we had been observing... then I can see the object appear....at about the 7 min 24 secs...that seems initially larger and you can see it closer to the top brighter light then move downwards to the two lights that look like eyes..

This?


It looks like lens flare, either from the lens or from the glass on the window from which this was being filmed.

[ArMaP]

I made this animation to show what I think is lens flare on the first part of the video.



The lights moving from left to right appear to be lens flare caused by the strong light at the bottom of the screen, that I think is the light on the top of the shuttle's cabin, better seen in this frame from a different video.



As for the "blue glow", I don't know what anyone is talking about, the only blue glow I see is the atmosphere getting light from the Sun. 

[Sinny]

Damn, in my post above about Orbs, I got my 'left' and 'right' mixed up...

Time for me to go get my head checked lol.

[astr0144]

Maybe this thread should have been posted in Martyn's own section in the L.M part of the forum or in the UFO section rather than just in the general section....


Thanks for clarifying briefly about Jim Oberg Sinny ... Do you know if he actually officially still works for Nasa or on behalf of them to deal with ATS and other forums...or is he retired , but still keeps track on forums etc to debunk !....

I had seen some of Jim's posts ArMap on his other tether thread, but had not completed following it as it went on so long..and I did not know what his conclusions were...Sinny has now explained !

Astro, Jim Oberg is NASA's official UFO debunker..
And not a very good one at that, according to him the intelligent movements of the UFO's during the Tether Incident are Ice Particles..

Thanks for posting those images ArMap,

Yes they seem to show what I described...

The Critter image..is what I could initially see of it that I did think could have been lens flare...BUT the later one that I refer too... I am not so sure ! that did look more realistic and not so much lens flare or distortion...and IF what "Z" and others say about Critters which Im quite amazed about..if they are for real.. then maybe thats what they are... BUT they appear HUGE if that is the size of them compared to the shuttle...

Unfortunately you did not add that to compare between the two images....

I assume this is what you replied to in yellow that looked like it was from my quoted post wording..
I seem to recall writing part of that but not all as I later may have altered it...BUT I did not write in the speed details..orbiting at 90 mins !

I assume either you meant to write that outside my quote or you amended my quote and added it in..

I think that I had initially wrote this,

"That's the only thing I see that could be considered a UFO on that video.."...

but not this ! 

"And the movement could be from either the light or the shuttle, as they are orbiting at something like 90 minutes for a complete orbit, so they are moving fast"

That's the only thing I see that could be considered a UFO on that video. And the movement could be from either the light or the shuttle, as they are orbiting at something like 90 minutes for a complete orbit, so they are moving fast.

At about 5 min 42 we see the two images...and the one we were watching...I see what looks like something appear over the image that may be described as critter like..that covers a large part of the image when zoomed out..

as it later zooms back to the one image we had been observing... then I can see the object appear....at about the 7 min 24 secs...that seems initially larger and you can see it closer to the top brighter light then move downwards to the two lights that look like eyes..

You can see what looks like a series of objects in the 1st image you posted to my reply to my earlier initial post...that look like they could be critters...that you can see from 4 mins 30 at the lower part of the screen when the camera is zoomed out...


At about 8 mins 12 we can see that possible critter image very clearly....BUT I assume that this is being filmed from MIR observing and I think we see inside its window as the camera seems to slighly scan around and we see what I think is the specail MIR window surroundings.....so we may be getting distortion or reflection from both the camera and the inner window of what ever craft the camera is viewing from be MIR space station or another craft...
It may even have some sort of mist /condensation on the window...from an astronauts breath !

BUT the image does become much sharper...
and smaller than the initial one that I could see earlier..

I suspect that as we are both looking through a camera and window... there is a high chance its a reflection...

[Martyn Stubbs]

ArMaP...Nice work...I do not think it is lens flare & if it is, then why do the Russians zoom in on it? You can not zoom in on a lens flare.

This video has been ignored by Jim Oberg. Why? Jim speaks Russian. So he could have heard the Russians comment on what they are looking at...& then easily have debunked this. But he did not!

I think we would get a little insight if we get this translated. Jim Oberg won't do it? Me...I'm happy with not trying to prove anything. Just leave it at this is an unknown object. Unidentified.....but not unidentifiable as something is there.... as I do think this is critter & it is curious.

[ArMaP]

Unfortunately you did not add that to compare between the two images....

Because I didn't understood exactly what you meant.

I assume either you meant to write that outside my quote or you amended my quote and added it in..

Yes, that was suppose to be outside the quote. 

You can see what looks like a series of objects in the 1st image you posted to my reply to my earlier initial post...that look like they could be critters...that you can see from 4 mins 30 at the lower part of the screen when the camera is zoomed out...

I think that's part of MIR.

At about 8 mins 12 we can see that possible critter image very clearly....BUT I assume that this is being filmed from MIR observing and I think we see inside its window as the camera seems to slighly scan around and we see what I think is the specail MIR window surroundings.....so we may be getting distortion or reflection from both the camera and the inner window of what ever craft the camera is viewing from be MIR space station or another craft...

It may even have some sort of mist /condensation on the window...from an astronauts breath !

I agree, it looks like some condensation on the window, besides all the reflections.

[ArMaP]

ArMaP...Nice work...I do not think it is lens flare & if it is, then why do the Russians zoom in on it? You can not zoom in on a lens flare.

I didn't say that what they zoomed in was lens flare, what I think is lens flare is shown on the animation, while they zoom on a completely different thing.

This video has been ignored by Jim Oberg. Why? Jim speaks Russian. So he could have heard the Russians comment on what they are looking at...& then easily have debunked this. But he did not!

That you have to ask Jim, but I can try to contact him.

I think we would get a little insight if we get this translated. Jim Oberg won't do it? Me...I'm happy with not trying to prove anything. Just leave it at this is an unknown object. Unidentified.....but not unidentifiable as something is there.... as I do think this is critter & it is curious.

As I am still trying to understand which one of the things on the screen is supposed to be the UFO/critter I cannot really comment on that, but I can say one thing, I don't see any thing that looks like a critter on that video.

STS-80 is a different story.

[Martyn Stubbs]

What makes you presume that there would be no other countries, or no other 'players?

My answer ...well... because, if you look at the state of each of the 3 military powers that can actually go to space, you will see that there is co-operation between them.

The Russians gave China it's Soyez technology.  China is building a space station that will be ready just in time to replace the ISS. It's their turn! (MIR-ISS-China)

The Russians work with the US space program via ISS. America uses Russian Soyez craft to get there. (no private craft with human cargo for at least 2 yrs. we are told)

The U.S. military are now running a couple of small, unmanned mini shuttles, past the 300 mile radiation free area that the ISS lives in. These can & do remain  there for over a year, using solar power. (I say a tether generating energy as seen on STS-75)

The USA would not have grounded all its shuttles, leaving human transportation to the Russians, unless the U.S. domination of space was being maintained via weapons in space ( & secret platforms)

And no way we in the west would be cool with a military base that China says it will build on the moon unless there was some master plan that included all 3 nations..etc.

So there has to be something that draws these military space agencies together...that unites them & yet remains a SECRET..

so there is no way a "breakaway" group has duplicated all this & trumped it. Not a chance. This mystery space agenda & it's new military masters do not have to tell or show us anything..& so they do not.

I do believe that if there are terrestrial craft, we probably have caught them on NASA cameras & they would be on many of the videos.

Me..well I'm looking at Critters....Organic craft...Plasma.But I do not rule anything out. There are so many different looking objects that we could have  a little bit of everything!

[astr0144]

Hi ArMaP,

Thanks for your comments, so far I appreciate that you may agree with my analysis on what I think some may have thought was a critter...
Martyn , so far did not really comment on my suggestions as far as I can see.

I agree, it looks like some condensation on the window, besides all the reflections.

Yes I am also still unclear on what exactly it is that Martyn was referring to... he has not answered your reply to your question / comment as I can make out in his reply.

Is the STS - 80 one that you do think was a UFO or Critter ?  was that the tether thread !

IF I can find a Russian / English speaking Forum and have time I will try and get someone to translate what the Russians were saying !

As I am still trying to understand which one of the things on the screen is supposed to be the UFO/critter I cannot really comment on that, but I can say one thing, I don't see any thing that looks like a critter on that video.

STS-80 is a different story.

[Martyn Stubbs]

And as you asked Sinny, did Trevor James Constable talk to aliens?

He never said that to me in any of our phone conversations. He is old enough that he was at the 1st. UFO desert meeting that is famous for someone speaking to an alien (Ashtar??)

But that was not him. He believes that the weather can & is being manipulated. LBJ said that the country that controls space will control the weather & that any nation that controls the weather will control the world.

He has schooled me on the  case for Critters & yet he points out that there have been many others before him who also made a case for living critters.

I think his book.."The Cosmic Pulse of Life" is the very best case for Critters & is a must read. It has a new printing out that includes photos of the Tether Incident!!

[Martyn Stubbs]

condensation on the window?..noted but the light is zoomed in on & that can not happen with condensation.