T7 Process Vector

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Well even with a glitch you would expect to see an attempt to partially capture some of it.

But we are seeing two clearly distinct separate points of light with ZERO in between.

There should be SOME light traces between them, even if very faint.

30 frames is just not enough to capture fast moving objects clearly and accurately

imagine the pivot in centre is the cameras shutter , chopping the light up as the object shoots across the sky, the sensor below eagerly waiting for the light




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[A51Watcher]

30 frames is just not enough to capture fast moving objects clearly and accurately

imagine the pivot in centre is the cameras shutter , chopping the light up as the object shoots across the sky, the sensor below eagerly waiting for the light




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Gotcha. I understand the concept but I disagree with level of frailty you ascribe to these sensors.

Having watched hundreds of thousands of frames from Area 51 recorded on the technology of the day, I am pretty familiar with what they can and cannot achieve.

What they display is a pretty faithful reproduction of what was seen.

My impression is reinforced by conversations with other image analysis experts in the field.


But we can agree to disagree, as long as you don't come waltzing in with flame throwers at the ready, all for having a different opinion. 

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Gotcha. I understand the concept but I disagree with level of frailty you ascribe to these sensors.

Having watched hundreds of thousands of frames from Area 51 recorded on the technology of the day, I am pretty familiar with what they can and cannot achieve.

What they display is a pretty faithful reproduction of what was seen.

My impression is reinforced by conversations with other image analysis experts in the field.


But we can agree to disagree, as long as you don't come waltzing in with flame throwers at the ready, all for having a different opinion. 

no worries , I don't doubt you captured something on camera, I don't even know what it is, how fast its moving , how far it is away, etc , which makes it difficult to know what the cameras trying to deal with at 30 fps


what is the model of it?

only info so far to go on is  30 fps, you don't make it easy do you ?

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[A51Watcher]

no worries , I don't doubt you captured something on camera, I don't even know what it is, how fast its moving , how far it is away, etc , which makes it difficult to know what the cameras trying to deal with at 30 fps

what is the model of it?

Consumer grade Sony VHS camcorder circa 1990, object was between 1/2 and 3/4 miles away.

only info so far to go on is  30 fps, you don't make it easy do you ?

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they bring back a few memory's



ill kip on it , gnight

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[Pimander]

as you see. black is the colour of a frame, where it moved so quick the frame rate couldn't keep up , hence the gap(no light hitting sensor)/blur(partial light)/re-join effect (unimpeded photons)

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You're missing the point.  If it is a single frame and the object was in both positions in that frame you would expect the object to look like a line because it moved between the two points.  In theory it could have moved extremely quickly between the two points but that would also need explaining.

On the other hand, I am not exactly great at image analysis and know very little about how VHS camcorders work (if that is what the footage was taken on).

ETA:  Oh, you both posted more since I loaded the page earlier lol.  Ignore if irrelevant now.

[Pimander]

Well even with a glitch you would expect to see an attempt to partially capture some of it.

But we are seeing two clearly distinct separate points of light with ZERO in between.

There should be SOME light traces between them, even if very faint.

I agree with this, except it may not have been emitting much light in between the points.  Otherwise that is what I was getting at above before I realised you had probably already discussed.

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I agree with this, except it may not have been emitting much light in between the points.  Otherwise that is what I was getting at above before I realised you had probably already discussed.

maybe it disappeared and reappeared so fast it had time to fire light through the shutter twice, hence the duplication

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so which of the vast range of consumer grade sony's is it? do you still have it ? ide say it was time for an upgrade

the 3ccd were good chips, not bad with low light levels too.. was it one of these perchance ?

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[A51Watcher]

so which of the vast range of consumer grade sony's is it? do you still have it ? ide say it was time for an upgrade

the 3ccd were good chips, not bad with low light levels too.. was it one of these perchance ?

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Tourist 7 only said it was the best model available at the time.

My footage was taken with a Panasonic.

eta: I don't have it anymore. Crap adjustable lens viewer broke.

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Tourist 7 only said it was the best model available at the time.

My footage was taken with a Panasonic.

eta: I don't have it anymore. Crap adjustable lens viewer broke.

why have I been looking for Sony models when, the footage was shot with a Panasonic?

ive missed something somewhere

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[A51Watcher]

why have I been looking for Sony models when, the footage was shot with a Panasonic?

ive missed something somewhere

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Because you assumed that T7 was filmed by me.

I think my collection runs up to T13 by now.

Sorry for any confusion.