One thing no one can disprove...

[zorgon]

The real details of the "moon" missions can not be known...ever. The Official Secrets Act & the Space Act etc....are in play & we all have to pass away of old age before anything will see the light of day.

At the BOTTOM of every NASA page you will see the FINE PRINT

One in particular
"Freedom of Information Act"

It was easier and clearer before LOL The new version is deeper  But NASA FOIA is protected by;

Exemption 1

Exemption 1 of the Freedom of Information Act protects from disclosure information
that has been deemed classified "under criteria established by an Executive order to be kept
secret in the interest of national defense or foreign policy" and is "in fact properly classified
pursuant to such Executive order."1 The Supreme Court has recognized that Congress
intended for the President to bear immediate responsibility for protecting national security,
which includes the development of policy that establishes what information must be classified
to prevent harm to national security.
2 Exemption 1, in turn, is the provision of the FOIA whichaffords protection for such properly classified information.3 The role of the federal judiciary includes the de novo review of an agency's Exemption 1 claims in litigation, with appropriate deference given to the Executive Branch's special expertise in matters of national security.4

So Aliens and their spacecraft would fall under Exemption 1   

Exemption 4

§1206.600   General policy.
(a) Notice shall be given to a submitter whenever the information requested is commercial information and has been designated by the submitter as information deemed protected from disclosure under Exemption 4 of the Act, or the Agency otherwise has reason to believe that the information may be protected from disclosure under Exemption 4. For the purpose of applying the notice requirements, commercial information is information provided by a submitter and in the possession of NASA, that may arguably be exempt from disclosure under the provisions of Exemption 4 of the FOIA (5 U.S.C. 552(b)(4)). The meaning ascribed to this term for the purpose of this notice requirement is separate and should not be confused with use of this or similar terms in determining whether information satisfies one of the elements of Exemption 4.

So no info on new tech they develop until its cleared for public domain... say 30-50 years 


All the GOOD STUFF at NASA is kept HERE. If you know WHAT to ask for and WHO to ask you can sometimes get access as I did for the Methane on Mars report

[thorfourwinds]

What was the objective?

Pre-dating the previous material from the same source:

If the Moon landings were faked, then one question that naturally arises is: why would any government go to such extreme lengths to mount such an elaborate hoax?
 
The most obvious answer (and the one most frequently cited by skeptics) is to reclaim a sense of national pride that had been stripped away by America's having played follow-the-leader with the Soviets for an entire decade. While this undoubtedly played a large role, there are other factors as well – factors that haven't been as fully explored. But before we look at those, we must first deal with the question of whether it would have even been possible to pull off such an enormous hoax.
 
Could so many people have really been duped into believing such an outrageous lie, if that in fact was what it was? To answer that question, we have to keep in mind that we are talking about the summer of 1969 here. Those old enough to have been there will recall that they – along with the vast majority of politically active people in the country – spent that particular period of time primarily engaged in tripping on some really good acid (most likely from the lab of Mr. Owsley).
 
How hard then would it really have been to fool most of you? I probably could have stuck a fish bowl on my head, wrapped myself in aluminum foil, and then filmed myself high-stepping across my backyard and most of you would have believed that I was Moonwalking. Some of you couldn't entirely rule out the possibility that everyone was walking on the Moon.
 
In truth, not everyone was fooled by the alleged Moon landings. Though it is rarely discussed these days, a significant number of people gave NASA's television productions a thumbs-down. As Wired magazine has reported, "when Knight Newspapers polled 1,721 US residents one year after the first moon landing, it found that more than 30 percent of respondents were suspicious of NASA's trips to the moon." Given that overall trust in government was considerably higher in those pre-Watergate days, the fact that nearly a third of Americans doubted what they were 'witnessing' through their television sets is rather remarkable.
 
When Fox ran a special on the Moon landings some years back and reported that 1-in-5 Americans had doubts about the Apollo missions, various 'debunking' websites cried foul and claimed that the actual percentage was much lower. BadAstronomy.com, for example, claims that the actual figure is about 6%, and that roughly that many people will agree "with almost any question that is asked of them." Hence, there are only a relative handful of kooks who don't believe that we've ever been to the Moon.
 
All of those websites fail to mention, of course, that among the people who experienced the events as they were occurring, nearly 1-in-3 had doubts, a number considerably higher than the number that Fox used. And, needless to say, the 'debunkers' also failed to mention that 1-in-4 young Americans, a number also higher than the figure Fox used, have doubts about the Moon landings.
 
Returning then to the question of why such a ruse would be perpetrated, we must transport ourselves back to the year 1969. Richard Nixon has just been inaugurated as our brand new president, and his ascension to the throne is in part due to his promises to the American people that he will disengage from the increasingly unpopular war in Vietnam. But Tricky Dick has a bit of a problem on his hands in that he has absolutely no intention of ending the war. In fact, he would really, really like to escalate the conflict as much as possible. But to do so, he needs to set up a diversion – some means of stoking the patriotic fervor of the American people so that they will blindly rally behind him.
 

In short, he needs to wag the dog.
 
This has, of course, traditionally been done by embarking on some short-term, low-risk military endeavor. The problem for Big Dick, however, is that a military mission is exactly what he is trying to divert attention away from. What, then, is a beleaguered president to do?

Why, send Neil and Buzz to the Moon, of course!

Instead of wagging the dog, it's time to try something new: wagging the Moondoggie!
 
Nixon's actions from the very moment he takes office belie his campaign pledges to the American people (not unlike that Barry Obama guy, who also led the American people to believe that he opposed an unpopular war). In May of 1969, with Nixon just a few months into his term, the press begins publicizing the illegal B-52 carpet bombing of Cambodia engineered by that irrepressible war criminal, Henry Kissinger. By June, Nixon is scrambling to announce what is dubbed the 'Vietnamization' of the war, which comes with a concomitant withdrawal of U.S. troops.
 
In truth, however, only 25,000 of the 540,000 U.S. troops then deployed will be brought home. This ruse is, therefore, transparently thin and it will buy the new president little time. To make matters worse, on July 14th, Francis Reitemeyer is granted Conscientious Objector status on the basis of a petition his attorney has filed which explicitly details the training and instruction he has just received in assassination and torture techniques in conjunction with his assignment to the CIA's Phoenix Program. With these documents entering the public domain, the full horrors of the war are beginning to emerge.
 
Just in time to save the day, however, Apollo 11 blasts off on July 16th on its allegedly historic mission, and – with the entire nation enthralled – four days later the Eagle purportedly makes its landing on the pristine lunar surface. Vietnam is temporarily forgotten as America swells with patriotic pride for having beaten the Evil Empire to the Moon. There is little time to worry about the brutality of war when Neil is taking that "one giant leap for mankind."
 
The honeymoon is short-lived, however, for just four months later, in November of 1969, Seymour Hersch publishes a story about the massacre of 504 civilians in the village of My Lai, bringing home to America the full savagery of the war in Southeast Asia.

It's time then for another Moon launch, and Apollo 12 dutifully lifts off on November 14th, making another picture-perfect lunar landing before returning on November 24th. The country is once again entranced by the exploits of America's new breed of hero, and suddenly every kid in the country wants to grow up to be an astronaut.
 
All is well again until March of 1970, at which time a U.S.-backed coup deposes Prince Sihanouk in Cambodia and Lon Nol is handpicked by the CIA to replace him. Cambodia then immediately jumps in the fray by committing troops to the U.S. war effort. The war is further escalated the next month when Nixon authorizes an invasion of Cambodia by U.S. and ARVN ground forces, another move engineered by Henry Kissinger. Nixon has been in office just over a year and the war, far from winding down, has now expanded into Cambodia both in the air and on the ground.
 
Meanwhile, it's time for yet another Moon launch. But this one is not going to be just any Moon launch. This one, you see, is going to introduce the element of danger. With the first two having gone off without a hitch, the American people – known for having notoriously short attention spans – are already adopting a 'been there, done that' attitude. The problem, in a nutshell, is that it looks just a little too damn easy. In order to regain the attention of the American people, it has to be impressed upon them that our brave astronauts are placing themselves in grave danger.
 
And so it is that on April 11th, 1970, Apollo 13 blasts off with Tom Hanks and a couple of somewhat lesser known actors on board, but unlike the first two missions, this Apollo spacecraft fails to reach the Moon and instead drifts about for the next six days with the crew in mortal danger of being forever lost in space! Now that gets our attention! So much so that when three Vietnam vets hold a multi-city press conference in New York, San Francisco and Rome on April 14th, attempting to publicize the ongoing Phoenix Program in which they have participated and have firsthand knowledge, nobody can really be bothered with paying much attention. It's hard to be too concerned about the fate of Vietnamese villagers, you see, when Tom and the boys are clearly in trouble.
 
Awaiting news of the fate of the Apollo 13 crew, we all have our eyes glued to our TVs as though we are watching postmortem coverage of Michael Jackson. When our heroes somehow make it back alive, defying seemingly impossible odds, we are all so goddamned proud of them that we decide to award Tom another Oscar. And all is well again for the remainder of the year.
 
I really have to repeat here, by the way, that in the late 1960s and early 1970s, America really did rock!

I mean, how about that Apollo safety record?

Seven manned Moon launches with seven perfect take-offs!

Tom and the boys obviously never did make it to the Moon, but the other six crews sure as hell did, and all six set those lunar modules down like the consummate professionals that they were, and all six used that untested technology to successfully blast off from the Moon and attain lunar orbit, and then all six successfully docked with the orbiting command modules. And all seven of those command modules, even Apollo 13's, returned intact and with their crews happy and healthy.
 
That was just an awesome time to be an American and especially to be an American astronaut ... well, except for the three guys (Virgil "Gus" Grissom, Ed White and Roger Chaffee) who were burned alive during a test procedure in the command module of what was to be the Apollo 1 rocket.

But they were troublemakers anyway who probably wouldn't have wanted to go along with the Moon landing fable. And then there was that Thomas Baron guy who was a safety inspector for NASA and who delivered highly critical testimony and a 1,500-page report to Congress, only to then be killed a week later. That report seems to have been sucked into the same Black Hole that swallowed up all the other Apollo evidence.

Re: Thomas Baron
During the start of the Apollo missions, former NASA Safety Inspector Thomas Ronald Baron participated in a Congressional Hearing where he complained that NASA was not operating a real space program.

He complained about NASA's fraudulent practices, low quality control, and the practice of keeping every employee in the dark about the big picture. R. E. Reyes, an engineer in KSC's Preflight Operations Branch, said Baron filed so many negative charges against NASA that, had KSC heeded them all, NASA would not have had a man on the moon until the year 2069.

Baron testified before congress that the Apollo program was such disarray the United States would never make it to the moon. His claim and his opinions made him the target.

Baron's unpublished 500 page Congressional Report detailing the specific deficiencies of the Apollo program was never found.   

[Martyn Stubbs]

Sorry...correction for the keyword folks(!)...

T.M. said that the "secret" NASA file was called.."SOLAR WARDEN".

[Martyn Stubbs]

thorfourwinds...thanks for that.

.. and to be specific... I did not mean to say that the USA faked the moon landings. I'm saying, not what I think I know. I'm saying what I know.

I am saying that America faked the photographic record of the moon landings.

[thorfourwinds]

Solar Warden

Because of its advanced technological position, the U.S. has been designated by Star Nations to a lead position in providing space security for Earth.

This space-security mission is two-fold.

One part of the Space Fleet's mission is to prevent rogue countries or terrorist groups from using space from which to conduct warfare against other countries or within-country targets. Star Nations has made it quite clear that space is to be used for peaceful purposes only.

The second part of the Space Fleet's mission is to prevent the global-elite control group, the Cabal, from using its orbital weapons systems, including directed-energy beam weapons, to intimidate or attack anyone or any group it wished to bend to its will.

Because the Space Fleet has the job of being Space Policeman within our solar system, its program has been named Solar Warden.

The Space Fleet operates not only with classified U.S. Government authority but also with the secret authority of the United Nations, because the Space Fleet's mission is to protect the entire Earth and all countries.

And the Solar Warden program operates under authorization by Star Nations, the organization of advanced intelligent civilizations in space.

The Solar Warden Space Fleet resulted from Star Nations' prompting of the leadership within the United Nations to take responsibility for law enforcement of near-space to prevent any Human mis-use of space.

Be clear that Star Nations has not given the U.S. Government [exclusive] authority to police the Earth. The U.S. has no authority from Star Nations to engage in any international policing activities. Star Nations has the policy position that the citizens of Earth have the responsibility to work out the operation and regulation of their societies as best they can.


The Nautilus is another space-faring craft, a secret military spacecraft which operates by magnetic pulsing. It operates out of the unacknowledged new headquarters of the U.S. Space Command, deep under a mountain in Utah. It makes twice-a-week trips up to the secret military-intelligence space station, which has been in deep space for the past thirty years, and manned by U.S. and USSR (now CIS) military astronauts. The Nautilus also is used for superfast surveillance operations, utilizing its ability to penetrate target country airspace from above from deep space, a direction not usually expected. It is manufactured jointly by Boeing's Phantom Works near Seattle and EU's Airbus Industries Anglo-French consortium.

[RUSSO]

The real value of moving past this moon stuff is to make a supposition that whatever was happening, it advanced the SECRET space agenda that has led to the current space advances..that are also secret!

Advanced is an understatement. This program would change the world and our views on space exploration and travel, so no wonder that it would be kept a big 'secret'.

[Martyn Stubbs]

zorgon...live long & prosper.
I also do want to know the truth & my own actions avoiding the "UFO GANG" & their Magical Mystery Tours from conference to conventions , podcasts to 'Broadcast Cable shows', demonstrates my feeling that this quest ,in the end, is personal...
&
that it's can't be all about money, books & fame!!!... 

plus..I also can no longer seek or keep up with all the info you say you can no longer totally keep up with.  It do not matter! We have this site which is full of smart, informed folks, willing to do the work.

I believe in it..& this sites process of sharing things...& if the 'views from the outside' are up or down matters little to me.

[spacemaverick]

You all have rekindled my interest and now I will be going back to the livingmoon site and look again at the information to review what I have seen before.  I have stayed away long enough from the site.  Time to refresh myself.  Zorgon.....I work and I have off 2 days a week...I would be happy to help you with the living moon site.  I don't have the expertise in developing sites but the offer is there.   

[RUSSO]

Sorry...correction for the keyword folks(!)...

T.M. said that the "secret" NASA file was called.."SOLAR WARDEN".

Is it the same program Gary McKinnon hacked from U.S. Space Command computers several years ago? When he learned of the existence of "non-terrestrial officers" and "fleet-to-fleet transfers" and a secret program called "Solar Warden"?

I remember he was charged by the Bush Justice Department with having committed "the biggest military computer hack of all time".

What rings the bells why the extradition from UK and 70 years prision intimidations has gone nowhere. Think about  McKinnon in open court testifying those classified facts.How wonderfull would be government officers testifying under oath about the Navy's Space Fleet.

[Martyn Stubbs]

thorfourwinds...You sure are amazing in the stones dept. cuz you are "closer to the truth" than others at this site might believe. I will have to think this out before I add my 'known knowns' cuz I have no cover..no alias..no avatar !

I find it almost impossible to believe that the general public is so 'out of it' on all this, in your face info. that is not hard to research?

It does matter..take the weather..it is being manipulated by these same players...& this matters (or should) to everybody..yet zero interest, despite the best efforts of so many.

(People still think it is normal for worlds 2 largest steel buildings to turn to dust in 10 seconds!)

[Martyn Stubbs]

RUSSO..OK, you named my facebook friend..so yes TM is GM as in Gary McKinnen..& yes he did hack NASA & he is amazing & an honest man..who lives in a wonderful country that he loves.. a country with compassion for it's people. Thus he remains free as a bird, as he should be.

[RUSSO]

(People still think it is normal for worlds 2 largest steel buildings to turn to dust in 10 seconds!)

Or in an era when we've all got GPS in our pockets, NSA tracking anyone, anywhere,  we see planes vanishing without trace.

[RUSSO]

Thus he remains free as a bird, as he should be.

No doubts about that...

Only pointing out what i see as a reason USA gov did not go further about the threats they did to G.M.

I wish he had a better internet conection at the time tho

[thorfourwinds]

How Project Moonshadow was developed

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Oh so your talking about the dope head who admittedly was so high he couldn't remember much except a couple of names on an Excell spreadsheet? Lol