One thing no one can disprove...

[zorgon]

I don't understand that, it had no airlock but was airtight?

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An airlock is a double door so you don't have to empty the interior of air when you leave or enter the ship. That wastes a lot of air and they only had so much.

[zorgon]

There was much about the Apollo flights that was truly miraculous, but arguably the greatest technological achievement was the design of the lunar modules.

Too bad that NASA FORGOT how they did it. Seems they threw out all the drawings  Last I saw they were reverse engineering the Saturn V and looking at scrap yards for parts

Has anyone, by the way, ever really taken a good look at one of those contraptions? I mean a detailed, up-close look?

Yes I have  and I posted the DETAILED images above showing the buckled and crumpled cardboard that NO ONE seem to want to address.

I'm guessing that the vast majority of people have not, but luckily we can quickly remedy that situation because I happen to have some really good, high-resolution images that come directly from the good people at NASA.

It is not hard to get good high resolution images when you take the pictures in a studio   But looking at your last picture you can see the already buckling outer plates (top left)






So Herr Wabbit  please address the issue of the carboard plates

[zorgon]

How NASA Mooned the Public...

For the record I too KNOW we are on the moon... that is the whole premise of The Living Moon

but Apollo was a publicity stunt hoax

filmed through THIS spacecraft window



and played out in THIS 'lunar mudule'



using THIS model for the moon shots and the fly over shots



After pain stakingly HAND PAINTING the details (no air brush ) onto the models using the Lunar Orbiter images







Add a little lighting control....



and then a little of that 'NASA Green Cheese' color (they use NASA Lava Orange on Venus shots) to give that eerie tint we all see in Apollo images (that they later decided to change back to gray scale)



And VOILA!!!

Those movie sets are HUGE  They needed a HUGE budget to make those giant scenes



and that giant revolving moon model

[zorgon]

Then for the other stage...

NASA calls in the USGS





The general public is so easily fooled (they believe the official version of 9/11 too  )  but they went to a lot of trouble and expense to fool the rest of us

[zorgon]

This is a good one..

Same backdrop anyone??

Thank you for that!

That is what I was looking for for the Hills of Apollo Thread. This is exactly what I was trying to point out in that thread There are MANY photos that use the same backdrop. NASA never anticipated us all having home computers a thousand times more powerful that the ones they used to 'land on the moon'
I will copy this to that thread
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=7274.msg101696#msg101696

How do you add hills?  Well it's easy if you use a GREEN SCREEN  a common item in Hollywood 






Puppet on a String



Then you simply add in the back ground later. Hollywood movies do it all the time... make you think they are filming 'on location' when they are in fact in a studio

Problem here was that the NASA film crew was SLOPPY on the back drops and we caught them at it now 

I seem to recall that James Bond once broke into the set and took the moon buggy for a ride

[ArMaP]

IF what you suggest were true, WHY would millions of us$'s be spent on  training exercises NOT relevant to the moons environment ?

What are you saying that I suggested?

IF what you suggest is true re. a vacuum on the moon WHAT difference would this make on an astronaut in a pressure suit ?

The higher pressure inside the suit makes the suit appear inflated, so it's not as flexible as if the pressure was the same inside and out of the suit.

What made you think I suggested one was weightless on the moon ?

I didn't think that, why are you saying it?

[ArMaP]

An airlock is a double door so you don't have to empty the interior of air when you leave or enter the ship. That wastes a lot of air and they only had so much.

Does that mean that they emptied the Lunar Module whenever they went out and filled it again when they came back?

[zorgon]

Does that mean that they emptied the Lunar Module whenever they went out and filled it again when they came back?

Yes exactly. which also brings up the question of how they dumped the spacesuits before taking off

Of all the theories that serve to prove that we may, or may not, have gone to the moon there is one issue above all for me that says we can't have gone.

How did the astronauts get rid of their backpacks before leaving the moon, how did the astronauts enter and exit the lunar lander with their backpacks and spacesuits on through a hatch not big enough through which to enter and exit?

There was no air lock, there was a limited amount of oxygen supply on the lander. These are facts. So having re-entered the lander prior to leaving the moon how did the astronauts remove their backpacks, throw them out of the lander as their weight meant they were too heavy to be returned up to the command module. There was no air lock, so if they opened the hatch the astronauts would loose all their atmosphere, and there wouldn't be sufficient supply for them to reach the command module. Did they hold their breath, open the door, lob out the backpacks and other items too heavy to bring back, and trust to luck? Wouldn't opening a hatch on a pressurized compartment in an airless environment cause some kind of drastic event inside the lander with things being sucked out and blown all over the place, wouldn't this pose a severe risk to the astronauts? I guess people could add their own thoughts to this.

Like I mentioned previously, the hatch seems to me to be one of the most unexplained and unexplored elements of the moon landing conspiracy. I just don't see how the landings were possible with the size of the hatch, the entry and exit from the lander with the bulky space suits and the size of the hatch and not risk damage to either the suits, packs, or lander itself.

Maybe someone should ask Mr Armstrong on this issue, or any of the other astronauts, on the issues of getting in and out of the lander.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread844752/pg2

[VillageIdiot]

You guys have totally destroyed my childhood. 

[Martyn Stubbs]

The years of study that so many have put in, to demonstrate that the pictures & video of the moon visits are very flawed, has made it impossible to believe that they represent the truth of what really happened.

But...why all the work, flawed or not, to fake the photo narrative for every mission? If we never went at all, why so many faked missions & pics?

What was the objective?

Well, I think that it was to cover up the actual missions...no matter what happened for real, this was to be the official story...flaws & all.

And it has worked! Here we all are still going on about the photos. It is obvious they are not real. So we MUST move on to the next point which is ...what happened when they (the Russians & the USA) got to the moon?

We are too easily diverted from the real questions by these small details!
..take, for example, 2 people watching a missile coming at them & they are debating what color it is!......rather than what it's objective is, which is to blow them up! If they had done that they would have run away & avoided being "blowed right up"!

[zorgon]

But...why all the work, flawed or not, to fake the photo narrative for every mission? If we never went at all, why so many faked missions & pics?

What was the objective?

Well, I think that it was to cover up the actual missions...no matter what happened for real, this was to be the official story...flaws & all.

THAT is our take on it as well  The PUBLIC Apollo 'Missions' were to provide "plausible deniability' for any leaks that occured from the real space program

It was in fact the REASON John Matyas and I started off on the Living Moon website. It was our INTENT to show that we were already mining the moon before Apollo...

We spent YEARS providing REAMS of official documents to support this  from the Project Horizon papers, the Army Deep Space Operations at Kwajalien, the NAVAL Space Command who had astronauts BEFORE NASA, to the secret heavy lifter launches currently at Kwajalien and Vandenburg  where we have a guy fro 21SOPS wants to fill us in

And it has worked! Here we all are still going on about the photos. It is obvious they are not real. So we MUST move on to the next point which is ...what happened when they (the Russians & the USA) got to the moon?

Yes it worked well LOL People are still on about the photos and passing over all the scads of HARD EVIDENCE we have collected and presented here on the real space program

Heck we even have guys that work at NASA telling us there are 'issues'  One even posts here wearing his black ops clean suit

But NO ONE is listening

(save a very select few)

Fortunately  those select few keep me going 

We are too easily diverted from the real questions by these small details!
..take, for example, 2 people watching a missile coming at them & they are debating what color it is!......rather than what it's objective is, which is to blow them up! If they had done that they would have run away & avoided being "blowed right up"!
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[zorgon]

The year is 1954...

when NASA was still NACA

when Werner von Braun was working for the US ARMY SMDC

THIS is the day they started to LIE to you about the REAL space program


Photo Credit 1954 NACA

This photo is Walt Disney with von Braun holding a model of the Mars Glider

US ARMY SMDC (Space and Missile Defence Command) was Operation Redstone Arsenal who put together the plans for an Army Moon Base on Farside (with Russian help BTW) in a four volume 600 page document called Project Horizon (I have Vol 1,2 and 4)

US ARMY SMDC  was the group who brought the NAZI scientists to the USA Operation Paperclip

US ARMY SMDC  is the group that owns and operates Kwajalien Launch Site hidden in the Pacific where they support NASA missions and Deep Space Operations

Why Walt Disney?

Because;
1) He was a famous Hollywood film maker
2) he had the eyes and ears of the CHILDREN
3) He was a popular trusted public figure

So WHY meet with von Braun?

Well Von Braun was working on Project Horizon, the MOON BASE on the Farside for the Army

No if you search the web you will find an IMAGE og a MOON BASE still circulationg in the UFO crowd (silly lemmings  they have the PROOF in front of their nose yet do not see it)

THIS image



Yup google it  you will see this alien base on the moon is still out there even today

Well I always tell people to LOOK CLOSELY  Look at the bottom right corner



This from NASA...

Dr. Werhner von Braun, then Chief, Guided Missile Development Operation Division at Army Ballistic Missile Agency (ABMA) in Redstone Arsenal, Alabama, was visited by Walt Disney in 1954. In the 1950's, von Braun worked with Disney Studio as a technical director, making three films about space exploration for television. A model of the V-2 rocket is in background.

This from Space.com...

Disney, who would become an international icon, opened Disneyland the same year that von Braun worked as a technical director on three Disney TV programs about space.

The first, ``Man in Space,'' aired on ABC on March 9, 1955. The second, ``Man and the Moon,'' aired the same year, and the final film, ``Mars and Beyond,'' was televised on Dec. 4, 1957.

That IMAGE above was the MOON BASE from the Disney TV show  The COVER STORY in case any info leaked on the real project

See the bottom right corner now? See the MOUSEKATEER emblem?  No?

How about NOW?

[Martyn Stubbs]

The real details of the "moon" missions can not be known...ever. The Official Secrets Act & the Space Act etc....are in play & we all have to pass away of old age before anything will see the light of day.

Unless a "Pentagon Papers" event..or forced disclosure happens.

But it does not matter. As a 'gotcha moment' ..well it's meaningless. All Govs. have tons of secrets..fake narratives & disinfo!

The real value of moving past this moon stuff is to make a supposition that whatever was happening, it advanced the SECRET space agenda that has led to the current space advances..that are also secret!

But we do know that some form of  American SDI is up & running..as well as China, taking their turn at doing the fake dog & pony show...complete with huge military plans for a moon base & a trip to MARS!

The US military secret unmanned shuttles are doing something up in the Radiation zone (past 300 N. miles) & the whole public PR space race is now between the VIRGIN spaceplane..UFO buff, Mr. Bigalow's space ship & the current private co. supplying the ISS. Then there is that private rocket that blew up!!! Its all to keep our eyes of the real space truth.

60 miles up is not space, Mr. Branson...& Mr. BIG's UFO quest via a space ship is strange as he is also super cozy with big JIM Oberg?

My facebook friend, T.M., from the UK, studied NASA files right after my "Secret NASA Transmissions" release of the 'Tether event' & the other videos we streamed in 2000 & 2001> That plus my visit to Leeds to talk at the University about my research & to show more video had amped up people & T.M. found NASA's secret.."Solar Guardian" file & he was attacked & charged by the US gov. (but the UK got it sorted out..you all know the story)

Still it is all very real & combined with all the research I (& my team) have done, talking to people on the inside...(e mails & other means) & all the video plus the "spooks" who have cozied up ( a truly AMAZING story that I can not tell anyone...yet...)

...I no longer have the luxury of disbelief.

[zorgon]

which is ...what happened when they (the Russians & the USA) got to the moon?

For many years Dr Joe Resnick promised to show me proof that the Russians had TWO bases on Farside and an orbiting platform...

I finally got that proof (Sgt posted it)  only to be told a few days later that the ex Roskosmos scientist who got it for us was a drunken disgrace and not to be trusted

So is the video still valid? Well it is to us... all other info is similarly muddled anyway

I posted a "Test" here (and on previous forums)  Very few people bothered to read it, fewer still tried to comprehend it and only a few I can count on one hand actually 'got it' (mostly)

The thing is that "TEST" paper led me to an endless stream of REAL facts and documents, got me into slightly open doors and got me real inside contacts

That ONE little paper contains an encyclopedia of what is going on and I have part two (the space station)

But no one cares (save the afore mentione few )

We are too easily diverted from the real questions by these small details!
..take, for example, 2 people watching a missile coming at them & they are debating what color it is!......rather than what it's objective is, which is to blow them up! If they had done that they would have run away & avoided being "blowed right up"!

Humans LOVE to debate and argue... "No I'm right!"   "No your not I'm right!" till that missile takes them out

Kinda makes a case for the elite plan to wipe out 80% of the Useless Eaters in the world

Bwahahahaha

[zorgon]

The real details of the "moon" missions can not be known...ever. The Official Secrets Act & the Space Act etc....are in play & we all have to pass away of old age before anything will see the light of day.

Agreed which is why I repeatedly say "There will be no disclosure" They have too much to lose

But it does not matter. As a 'gotcha moment' ..well it's meaningless. All Govs. have tons of secrets..fake narratives & disinfo!

It matters to ME  (and to you )  But I decided long ago that "I" need to know and I don't care if anyone believes what I have learned. Because of that I do not reveal sources and I am not 'working in the field' so those on the inside with the real scoop can drop ne bread crumbs of truth to follow

In the years of seeking, those bread crumbs have gotten so bad that they are burying me. I no longer have the ability alone to keep up with all the leads... and as a result I have a real live secret astronaut sitting in the wings not being used

The real value of moving past this moon stuff is to make a supposition that whatever was happening, it advanced the SECRET space agenda that has led to the current space advances..that are also secret!

So what do we do Martyn? Continue to try to educate "We the Sheeple..."? Or move on and try to get into the inner circle  I mean this guy from 21SOPS called ME to update us.

Perhaps if we do this right... we may not get full disclosure, but I have a hunch that THEY want to use us as a leak  and currently I have dropped the ball because of health and financial concerns. I cannot go it alone anymore and keep up  At the same time its hard to share the load when people are scattered all over the world

But we do know that some form of  American SDI is up & running..as well as China, taking their turn at doing the fake dog & pony show...complete with huge military plans for a moon base & a trip to MARS!

I KNOW Russia and US work together  Hell NASA needs Russian ships to get to the ISS LOL  I KNOW Chine is in the loop because Buzz Aldrin and Gravwave LLC are working with China on Anti Gravity

They say a Picture is worth a thousand words  This is a volume  LOL



Japan... has an agreement with NASA and NASA has a field office in Japan



http://oiir.hq.nasa.gov/japan/index.html