Cathode ray propulsion

[vril-ya]

in short, ET wasnt lying and you are absolutely wrong. electrons emanating from cathode ray tubes "break down" the atmosphere and produce free hydrogen which then also becames ionised.

regarding the hole, it works perfectly. column of air coming from below is expelled vertically by the electron gun and a magnetic field deflecting it. vacuum is maintained, and the process is continued.

i hope i cleared out what was confusing you.

It doesn't but I am right.
There won't be a vacuum or much lower pressure because of the hole.
It would only ionise some of the molecules, it would not "break it down".
How if the pressure is not lower because of the hole allowing air through?
Only if you want to blow air through a hole rather than fly.
It would use power to power the electron gun.  It could pul back some of the energy but lots will be lost doing other work.
Well it must work then.
Make sure you don't put a hole through the middle because it won't work.  Maybe ET was lying to throw you off the scent.

[Pimander]

in short, ET wasnt lying and you are absolutely wrong.

Are you sure you know what ET said?

electrons emanating from cathode ray tubes "break down" the atmosphere and produce free hydrogen which then also becames ionised.

What do you think the source of hydrogen ions is?  Water vapour in the air?  The electron gun?

regarding the hole, it works perfectly. column of air coming from below is expelled vertically by the electron gun and a magnetic field deflecting it.

That doesn't even make sense.  What on earth do you mean by, "a magnetic field deflecting it?"

If you blow a column of air upwards you generally cause a downwards thrust.  That is how a jet engine works.  Check out old Isaac Newton for further information. 

You are literally blowing hot air.

Thrust is a reaction force described quantitatively by Newton's second and third laws. When a system expels or accelerates mass in one direction, the accelerated mass will cause a force of equal magnitude but opposite direction on that system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrust

In your model, air moving upwards through the hole will cause an equal and opposite downward direction in your system - the disk.

Funny, the same equal and opposite force law was the reason your impulse drive would not work too.  Live and learn.

i hope i cleared out what was confusing you.

The key part is highlighted for you so we can all see which one of us is confused.  You blow air one way and you move the other way.  Simple, IF you understand physics. 

[vril-ya]

you cannot claim anything before making the experiment. experiments, if done, will show if this system works as suggested or not.

magnetic field is deflecting the electrons just like it does in a old TVs.

narrow colum of air is blown out vertically, but the low pressure area is maintained all around it. force acting below the craft is magnitudes of order higher that the colum of air being blown upwards.

just because there is little hydrogen in the atmosphere you assumed there be no hydrogen released, and you are wrong again. these rays break the atmosphere down completely, and set free the nuclei, which they subsequently join up with, thus producing the hydrogen.

impulse drive works, there is no dubt about that. laws of nature are quite different from what you suppose them to be. much to learn, still.

Are you sure you know what ET said?
What do you think the source of hydrogen ions is?  Water vapour in the air?  The electron gun?
That doesn't even make sense.  What on earth do you mean by, "a magnetic field deflecting it?"

If you blow a column of air upwards you generally cause a downwards thrust.  That is how a jet engine works.  Check out old Isaac Newton for further information. 

You are literally blowing hot air.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrust

In your model, air moving upwards through the hole will cause an equal and opposite downward direction in your system - the disk.

Funny, the same equal and opposite force law was the reason your impulse drive would not work too.  Live and learn.
The key part is highlighted for you so we can all see which one of us is confused.  You blow air one way and you move the other way.  Simple, IF you understand physics. 

[Pimander]

you cannot claim anything before making the experiment. experiments, if done, will show if this system works as suggested or not.

What, have you built a working one? 

narrow colum of air is blown out vertically, but the low pressure area is maintained all around it. force acting below the craft is magnitudes of order higher that the colum of air being blown upwards.

How are they?  What physical law or mathematics makes it so?

Blowing air upwards creates a downward thrust normally.

just because there is little hydrogen in the atmosphere you assumed there be no hydrogen released, and you are wrong again. these rays break the atmosphere down completely, and set free the nuclei, which they subsequently join up with, thus producing the hydrogen.

It is possible to liberate hydrogen nuclei from atoms but I don't think this amount of energy is likely to do that.

You are talking nuclear physics now (i.e. liberating protons from the nucleus!)  To do that requires even higher energies than I thought we were discussing.  Such a craft needs a fuel source capable of triggering a nuclear reaction.

Liberating protons would also cause an explosion as the electrons would combine with them and produce H₂ which is explosive.  I don't see why liberating Hydrogen from the air would make this craft fly.

impulse drive works, there is no dubt about that.

I refer readers to the thread on that for details of why that statement may well be false.

laws of nature are quite different from what you suppose them to be.

But the laws of mechanics work in most real world machines which is why engineers rely on them every day.

If you know of some other rules then explain them.  Myself and the other members at PRC are always looking for something new but it needs to make sense or to be possible to demonstrate.  We have wasted at least two years on nonsense that resulted in no working model.

I have promised the site owner and myself that I won't stand by a second time and watch made up science (and worse) take over here.

I am still find it hard to believe you can't see the validity of any of my points and can't help being suspicious about your intentions here.

much to learn, still.

Without doubt.  when there isn't I'll abandon the meat suit.

[vril-ya]

What, have you built a working one? 
How are they?  What physical law or mathematics makes it so?

no, but ET came from a moon of jupiter by it.

Blowing air upwards creates a downward thrust normally.

pressure from below is much greater.

It is possible to liberate hydrogen nuclei from atoms but I don't think this amount of energy is likely to do that.
You are talking nuclear physics now (i.e. liberating protons from the nucleus!)  To do that requires even higher energies than I thought we were discussing.  Such a craft needs a fuel source capable of triggering a nuclear reaction.

high voltage is capable of liberating nuclei without using huge power.

Liberating protons would also cause an explosion as the electrons would combine with them and produce H₂ which is explosive.  I don't see why liberating Hydrogen from the air would make this craft fly.

in experiments done by dino kraspedon, hydrogen was produced due to the breakdown of the atmosphere. it flies well.

I refer readers to the thread on that for details of why that statement may well be false.

indeed, it has proven reactionless drive works.

But the laws of mechanics work in most real world machines which is why engineers rely on them every day.

all classical laws predics this works.

If you know of some other rules then explain them.  Myself and the other members at PRC are always looking for something new but it needs to make sense or to be possible to demonstrate.  We have wasted at least two years on nonsense that resulted in no working model.

I have promised the site owner and myself that I won't stand by a second time and watch made up science (and worse) take over here.

that is your own fault. this is just one of the systems that work. it needs to be done correctly.

I am still find it hard to believe you can't see the validity of any of my points and can't help being suspicious about your intentions here.

those who claim to be suspicious of others are usually those we should be suspicios about.

Without doubt.  when there isn't I'll abandon the meat suit.

number of "laws" will have to change. period.

[Pimander]

I take it you can prove all that?

Good luck with the prototype.

[vril-ya]

there is no need to prove something that is already proven. this will probably replace airplanes in near future.

[Pimander]

there is no need to prove something that is already proven. this will probably replace airplanes in near future.

Show us the proof then.  We're dying to see it.

[vril-ya]

you are not dying to see it, otherwise you would do the experiment yourself and not ask others to do everything for you. i rest my case.

Show us the proof then.  We're dying to see it.

[Pimander]

So you are full of BS.  You have no proof.  Thank you for your honesty.

[vril-ya]

on the contrary. you ask for "proof" but you didn't understand the basic principles that make it work. you're full of it. you got much to learn.

So you are full of BS.  You have no proof.  Thank you for your honesty.

[Pimander]

Deflection.  You have no proof.  If you do post it.

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Hey Pi

Leave this guy alone unless you are having fun.

He was a member of the IG for awhile and got kicked out. This was before the purge

V
You remember me? Go find some where else to play. I am the last surviving member of the IG I hope that you understand You don't want to get any more mud in your face do you.

Have a nice day

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[zorgon]

I am the last surviving member of the IG....

Really?  Wow  what happened to them all?  I am showing 48 members that are still on the active list of that group

Hmmmm maybe I need to check them all one by one

[Pimander]

Leave this guy alone unless you are having fun.

I was and now I'm bored with it...er him.

He was a member of the IG for awhile and got kicked out. This was before the purge

Bloody hell.

I hope he didn't learn about propulsion there. LOL