Behind the Mask: Aliens or Cosmic Jokers?

[onetruekeeper]

What's the problem?  Why don't you think that Zorgon or Pimander are wise enough to handle a limitless source of power?  Is ultra tech out of bounds to the likes of Pegasus?

Exactly...LOL

[petrus4]

These are a Service to Self/negatively polarised group, and should not be listened to.

One clue was when they said that there is no God other than them.  Any claim of spiritual exclusivity is a very clear sign that you are dealing with STS polarised spirits, who are trying to create a scenario where you put your focus on them and only them.  The idea is to cause listeners to believe that those beings and the scenario which they describe are all that exist; because if said beings can do that, then said beings can also dictate the terms of said described reality.

This is also the trick that has been used with the three branches of Semitic monotheism.  Whenever you hear the word, "only," (as in, "we are the only God," or "what we are telling you is the only truth that exists" etc) then that is an indication to stop listening to the spirit that you are talking to, because they are not going to lead you anywhere that you are likely to want to go.

A second clue is the degree to which these spirits indulge in self-exaltation.  This indicates arrogance, vanity, and grandiosity, which is another warning.  You aren't going to want to listen to a self-aggrandising narcissist in corporeal or human terms, and as an extension, it's generally an even worse idea to listen to narcissists in acorporeal terms as well.

Remember:-

The positive or Service to Others polarity corresponds with plurality, multiplicity, diversity, decentralised/horizontal networks, and expansion.  It also corresponds with making suggestions, asking questions, and allowing the individual listener to make decisions and figure things out for him or herself.  It is not authoritarian, and it respects the listener's autonomy and free will.

Service to Others polarised spirits will describe a universe which is, to quote a particular saying, "of infinite diversity, in infinite combinations."  They will not try and tell you that their information is the sole, exclusive truth, but will instead say that what they have is a certain perspective.  While they might offer suggestions regarding morality or ethics, they will usually only do so from the perspective of what practically has worked, for them.  STO spirits will also tell you either up front or in the course of the conversation, that there is certain information which they are not allowed to give you, because doing so would violate what they call the "Law of Confusion," or your personal right to freely maintain a view of reality which may not be demonstrably correct.

Gods are in a somewhat special category here, without necessarily being STS as such.  What I mean by that, is that while a God might either explicitly request, or visibly enjoy an act of worship on your part, the relationship can more specifically be described as parental, rather than authoritarian or hierarchical in any genuinely abusive sense.  I worship Kali, but I'm not a slave.  At times I express adoration of her, and she reciprocates to me in various ways. 

As another example, Hecate is a particular Goddess who, in my observation, only gets in touch with anyone for the purposes of wanting to assist that person develop themselves, spiritually; she could be considered a teacher in that sense.  So the intent is not to hold a person down, at all; there is always an assumption there that you as a person are going to mature, grow, and develop, and that is considered a good thing and to be promoted.

New Agers generally discourage theistic relationships in the older form, but the point here is that such relationships can still be had with positively polarised spirits, and they don't have to be abusive in nature.

Positive or STO polarised spirits also will not tend to overly exalt themselves, or rattle off long lists of titles, etc.  If you're dealing with a well-known Godform or angel such as brother Michael, then they might mention a couple of the titles that they expect humans to know them by, (which is therefore primarily to try and reassure you, rather than glorify themselves) but they won't recite a list for 15 solid minutes or so.

The negative or Service to Self polarity corresponds with exclusivity, solitude, uniformity, lack of diversity, vertical hierarchy, dominance, and authoritarianism. 

Service to Self spirits will try and claim that theirs is the only reality, they are the only God, they have the only truth, etc.  STS polarised spirits will also typically try and give you very definite, hard commandments rather than suggestions, and will also threaten you with some form of punishment, or otherwise try and use negative reinforcement ("You are going to Hell," etc) in order to force you to obey.

Negative or STS spirits also love exaltation, either from you or themselves.  Again, this gets slightly tricky, because I know a couple of Gods who are not strictly negative or STS at all, but who still don't mind the occasional acknowledgement of their station.  Master Raphael would be a good example of this.  I don't consider him vain at all, but he does refer to himself as the Divine Physician, and he also likes acknowledgement of his degree of knowledge, and the amount of time he has existed, etc.  In his case it's more like a very highly qualified college or university professor, who knows the level that he is at, and likes being treated accordingly.

The central litmus test here, is the acknowledgement of sovereignty.  A spirit that acknowledges, affirms, promotes, or encourages your sovereignty, is a spirit who it is safe or advisable to listen to.  A spirit who does not do this, conversely, (or worse, tries to keep you permanently subordinate to them) is not.

"Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber.  The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep.  The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice.  He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.  When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice.  But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice."

        -- Jesus Christ, John 10:1-5

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

        -- 1 John 4:1

[zorgon]

"Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber.  The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep.  The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice.  He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.  When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice.  But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice."

That is Jesus's version of the Law of Sheep    Hey it must be so  its written in the Book

        -- Jesus Christ, John 10:1-5

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

        -- 1 John 4:1

So all those serial killers out there saying God told them to kill... maybe someone needs to remind them that it MAY be the OTHER guy talking to them



Oddly enough they did this on that TV show Criminal Minds where a guy was killing in the name of God because God was telling him too,  Rossi said "Did it ever occur to you that you were talking to Satan the Deceiver?"

At which point the perp cryied out "Oh my god what have I don't!" and broke into tears...

If your going to believe Noah and others in the Bible talked to God  you have to allow that He may still talk to people.  Conversely the other guy would still be trying to deceive

These days someone says God spoke to them, even devote Christians label them lunatics  LOL  Ya can't have it both ways... 

[petrus4]

If your going to believe Noah and others in the Bible talked to God  you have to allow that He may still talk to people.  Conversely the other guy would still be trying to deceive

I think people experience varying forms of spiritual communication all the time.  I'm not going to limit the possible spirits to either Yahweh or Satan, either.  We live in a much, much bigger universe than that.

[onetruekeeper]

I think we should be careful when using the term "service ". It smacks of a sense of obligation which I and most people did not consent to. We came into this world not by choice or consent so in a matter of speaking, a form of crime or dis-service has already been committed against us knowingly or not. Since we are here we should try to make the best of our circumstances and try to find a way to escape from this mental prison. We may help others along the way but should not obsess over it. Nobody owes anybody anything.

[Pimander]

These days someone says God spoke to them, even devote Christians label them lunatics  LOL  Ya can't have it both ways...

You have to have it both ways in order to believe mainstream Christianity because it is self contradictory.

I think people experience varying forms of spiritual communication all the time.  I'm not going to limit the possible spirits to either Yahweh or Satan, either.

To label YAHWEH as "He" is described in the Babble as all good would be stretching things.  He behaves more like an insecure human than an enlightened, all powerful, good God by most standards.

We came into this world not by choice or consent so in a matter of speaking, a form of crime or dis-service has already been committed against us knowingly or not.

How can you be sure you are not here by consent?

Since we are here we should try to make the best of our circumstances and try to find a way to escape from this mental prison.

If spiritual systems other than Bibleanity are correct there are different orders/types of being incarnate.  Some of them are barely capable of learning anything on current evidence whereas others appear to be here precisely to serve or teach.

We may help others along the way but should not obsess over it.

That depends on what type of being you are referring to - if said spiritual systems are legitimate.

Nobody owes anybody anything.

What even if some of us are in service to you?

I suppose I'm trying to say that we are all different and the spiritual (or other) needs or obligations will differ depending on the state of development and class of soul (or personality type in everyday terms).  That is one very good reason why religions that dictate a specific way of life or rules/code to all devotees or preach a single truth are ultimately something I shun.  One shoe does not fit all.

[Sinny]

I think we should be careful when using the term "service ". It smacks of a sense of obligation which I and most people did not consent to. We came into this world not by choice or consent so in a matter of speaking, a form of crime or dis-service has already been committed against us knowingly or not. Since we are here we should try to make the best of our circumstances and try to find a way to escape from this mental prison. We may help others along the way but should not obsess over it. Nobody owes anybody anything.

Bazinga

[Sinny]

Petrus, what group of spirits were you reffering to in your initial post?

[petrus4]

Petrus, what group of spirits were you reffering to in your initial post?

The Nine.  Generally speaking, however, I'm going to be at least suspicious of any channelling which claims to be from a well-known archangel or God, unless I've personally been in contact with said spirit myself, and have actually got to know them.  There are a lot of people claiming to channel big name spirits, and you are usually dealing with mixed polarity impostors at best.  I've seen someone channel a spirit named Sananda who also claimed to essentially be Jesus with another name, and after reading a bit of it, I knew I wasn't going near it with a barge pole.

I know of one, and only one person who claims to channel archangel Michael, who I am prepared to consider genuine.  The Judeo/Christian archangels simply don't talk all that much, truth be told.  Michael is the ambassador for the four cardinals, so he is a bit more friendly and laid back than the other three; but Gabriel and Raphael in particular are very strictly business, especially the latter.  I haven't seen any channelling of Metatron yet which I was prepared to trust. 

I've never seen any channelling of Jesus that I wasn't at least marginally iffy about, either.  There is so much of a risk of impostors when it comes to religious figures, that unless you have prior knowledge of the being in question yourself, it's really not worth the risk.

The really dangerous ones, mind you, or those who will truly lead you down the proverbial garden path, are the spirits who claim to be ETs.  The reason why is because, given that you have no frame of reference for what ETs are supposed to be like, the spirit in question can say whatever it wants.  A spirit claiming to be Jesus at least has to maintain a certain basic standard of behaviour, but something claiming to be ET, no.  Ashtar can talk about whatever twisted crap he likes, and as long as he throws in the words, "love and light," occasionally, then the poor rubes who normally call him up won't know any better.

Positively polarised spirits in general don't talk as much as the negatives.  I'm willing to speculate that I've maybe had two genuine contacts (but by that I mean mental, and one of them was when I was tripping on mushrooms) with the Pleiadians, but they said less than half a dozen words to me, both times.  The negatives will fill your head with whatever crap comes into their minds, but the positives generally know what they want to say, say it, and then leave you alone.

The other problem with New Agers, is that they are basically muggles.  They don't do proper magickal evocations at all, because they generally don't know how to.  They basically just sit down, go into trance, and invite in whoever feels like it to a large extent; and I'm sure you can imagine how well that turns out, on some occasions at least.

A responsible magician will draw up a Solomonic circle and triangle before trying to call up a spirit.  The circle is basically the equivalent of the anti-shark tank that divers will use, when they get lowered into water where they know they will be swimming with sharks.  If you stay inside the circle, and if you banish before hand and preferably also invoke your God, then you will generally be all right.  The triangle is also the restraining space that the spirit itself gets called into; and it has the name of Michael written on the three sides in order to ensure that the spirit behaves itself.  That is another layer of protection.

I've also had bad trips, so on the very few occasions when I'm actually going to do something, I know from direct experience not to mess around and take stupid risks.  To be honest, Christianity is actually correct when it tells people not to go near magick, for the most part.  The difference with me, however, is that I've known I am a magician since I was a child, but I never did anything with it until my mid 20s, and even now I don't, for the most part.  Christians can tell me I'm going to Hell, and maybe I am; but the thing that I ultimately had to accept was the fact that for good or bad, magick is simply part of who I am.

I'm going to be arrogant here in closing, and say it flat out that the difference between a real magician and a dumb New Ager, is the same as the difference between anyone who has done something potentially dangerous, and someone who hasn't.  You can get out of most magickal operations with your skin and soul intact, but the fact of the matter is that it is still possible for all kinds of things to go wrong if you are reckless or idiotic.  The Work needs to be respected, or you will get into trouble, and you will deserve to.

[VillageIdiot]

 

[Sinny]

Petrus, could you provide me with an example or two of what you deem to be genuine contact?

Also, your opinion on the Ra Material, and finally.. How does one know if they are a magician or not...

[zorgon]

We came into this world not by choice or consent so in a matter of speaking, a form of crime or dis-service has already been committed against us knowingly or not.

Well that depends on what you choose to believe. For those that are firm believers in reincarnation and the Akashic Record, it is YOU who sits in judgement of your past life and it is YOU that chooses the next assignment.  I am in my 8th cycle on this planet... I have one more to go.   Even John Lear has discovered that this is the way it works  Seems "Sleeper" explained it to him and that he is in his last cycle here

Since we are here we should try to make the best of our circumstances and try to find a way to escape from this mental prison.

It is not a prison... it is a school. You have chosen the lesson and forces are in place to ensure you work to complete that lesson. THIS is why we do not remember previous lives, because that memory would interfere with the current lesson.  You DO have the choice to ignore the lesson, but life will repeatedly toss things at you to put you back on track. If you fail, at the end you get to say "Crap did I ever mess THAT up" and do it over.

Hypnotic regression can bring back memories, so can advances studies (like Rosicrucian teachings). That afterall is the purpose of real esoteric societies

Regards the school though, Earth is at Kindergarten level. This is why we are so isolated from the main stream Galaxy. People talk about Earth being ready for mass Ascension? LOL what a joke. That is like letting a first grader perform brain surgery

We may help others along the way but should not obsess over it. Nobody owes anybody anything.

THIS is true... We all walk a lonely path. Each one has his own path to reach his/her destination.  However from time to time we share the same path.... and from time to time we can share what we have learned with other seekers.

But you cannot FORCE this on anyone... you can teach, you can show the way, but THEY have to chose if it is right for them.  This is why religions cause so much war and grief... because they chose to try teaching by FORCE

A Sensei once told me "If I can teach but ONE student who truly understands, then my life is complete"

A sign above the entrance to the Potala in Tibet says (translated)  "A Thousand Monks, A Thousand Religions"

Teachers like Buddha, Jesus, etc have chosen to return to Earth to teach those who are ready to listen

Life after death?

Yes there is. Can I prove it to you? No  But I do not NEED to prove it, because IF there is no life after death and you are naught but food for worms, then it is a moot point.  But if there IS life after death, then perhaps I can teach you enough to at least face whoever or whatever sits in Judgement on that day so you can face it and stand tall and say "I did no evil"

I have all the proof I need... my dad came back from the dead breifley... scared the daylights out of the nurse, stumped the doctors. I have told the story here in several threads. 

My first wife when we came to Toronto, saw her aunt. We were sitting in the subway and suddenly she started talking with her aunt like she was right there. I saw no one. We found out later that day her aunt had passed.


Years of study of all religions and my Rosicrucian lessons have given me all the proof I need.  I have no need to convince you or anyone. Time will reveal all to you.

In the meantime  Yes make the best use of your time here and DO learn whatever skills you can, because I will tell you that YES they DO carry forward

[The Matrix Traveller]

That is right on the nail there Z .... very, very, accurate account ....    

And no matter what others may believe it has absolutely NO affect on this.

The only one, any of this has affect on, is our Individual 'Selves' at the End of the Day.


When this present experience ends, we are entirely alone, and on the passing, there is ONLY our real 'SELF',
which is a small 'Partition' of LIFE. (Singular)


Having experienced Death and finding Death is nothing more than a 'human Myth', as our 'Real Selves' don't,
and can NOT Die even IF one wishes to.   



It is only a Chapter of the 'Story' that ends, as do all 'Chapters' in a 'Book'.

And YES, this experience in the Earth Program is like 'Kindergarten', because during the experiences
involving the Earth, is WHEN the 'Metamorphoses of the Soul' takes Place.
(most are not even aware of this in the Earth Program because they sleep.   

[Sinny]

This life is a 'lesson' unto what end?

If Eartly life is so lowely, what can we learn from this tedious material world?

How to shine shoes? How to manage finances? The difference between being 'good' and 'evil'?

Why? Unto what end?

[The Matrix Traveller]

This life is a 'lesson' unto what end?

If Eartly life is so lowely, what can we learn from this tedious material world?

How to shine shoes? How to manage finances? The difference between being 'good' and 'evil'?

Why? Unto what end?

You have found WHY !


You have asked the 'QUESTION' witnessed by what you have written.

So the System works just fine, even if it can not be understood at this time ...   


The 'Answer' will come !

NOT in 'thought' .... but through ACTION !

NOT your Action .... but from LIFE.