Behind the Mask: Aliens or Cosmic Jokers?

[The Matrix Traveller]

Must I become a Buddhist to have the credentials to speculate about it?

NO..... I am NOT Buddhist ....   

[zorgon]

I can understand why the concept of re-incarnation would be comforting to a lot of people since it hints of immortality but if they really looked closely at it's implication they would see a frightening aspect to it.

We only fear that which we do not understand

For instance, the memories of one's previous life would be completely erased or suppressed, so whatever knowledge, skills one might have gained in that life would have to be re-learned in the next.

This is not the way it works. Skills like that carry forward... I guess you could say subconsciously. If you look around you do you not see people that we know are born with certain skills? I could make a long list of examples of people who at a very young age are already masters at some skills. The rest of us all have certain abilities that we just instinctively use. We did not learn them this time around so how is it we KNOW how to do some things? Are they hereditary skills or did we retain them from previous experience?

Now I have no interest in trying to convince you... but you asked   Too many people say they are seekers but when you show them A PATH, they just want to push you off of it, not really wanting to learn. I KNOW my path... my path is firm... I am willing to share my path, but it's your choice if you want to walk with me. At some point there will be a fork on that path and we will part ways...

Here is one recent case
Reincarnated! Our son is a World War II pilot come back to life
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1209795/Reincarnated-Our-son-World-War-II-pilot-come-life.html

My dad passed away as I was on the way to see him...  he revived long enough for us to say goodbye than continued on for two weeks before he left again.  He had bone cancer  it ate away at him for 6 months. Constant pain always on morphine, didn't know who we were...  Docs said if I wanted to say goodbye, I need to come now. As I was on the plane to Toronto the docs called my mom and told her it was too late.  They took off the life support and had covered him, just waiting for the morgue to pick him up. Nurse in the room was cleaning up, waiting for the attendant when my dad suddenly sat upright in the bed and said "My son is coming"  Scared the nurse out of her wits.  Doctors had no explanation.  He was alive and clear headed. He needed no morphine, felt no pain.  We talked for hours  then I had to head back. They kept him a few days then told my mom there was nothing they could do and sent him home with a hospital bed

Note that he could not walk... He also did not eat... but was perfectly clear headed.  After about 2 weeks he simply went to sleep and was gone. Those two weeks it was like he wasn't there in the body at all... no drugs or food  no life support but he could talk freely

So believe what you will.  Until you have had your own experience no one will convince you of anything. But as Matrix said, he too has crossed over and returned

Nothing to fear at all....   

One also has no say as to what gender, race or culture or time period one would like to be born into.

Well actually true reincarnationists do follow the fact that you DO chose but you are correct that it could be male or female... and it is generally accepted that you do not regress down the chain... so no you will not come back as a snail 

Your soul has a male/female duality. You need both to complete the enity. People speak a lot of finding your soul mate. They have no real clue what they are talking about. Its NOT your next boyfriend/girlfriend.  Star Trel made a good attempt at explanation in the movie "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" where the female machine personality V'ger merged with the human male and they ascended as one being




In Chinese philosophy, yin & yang, which are often shortened to "yin-yang" or "yin yang", are concepts used to describe how apparently opposite or contrary forces are actually complementary, interconnected, and interdependent in the natural world, and how they give rise to each other as they interrelate to one another. Many tangible dualities (such as light and dark, fire and water, and male and female) are thought of as physical manifestations of the duality of yin and yang.



One of my past incarnations was Samantha...  she 'appears' from time to time 

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
- Hamlet (1.5.167-8),

One also has no say as to one's economic and social status in the next life.

Yes you do... you pick the lesson you need to learn. If you were a prince in a past life, it is best you forget that during the current run, because if this time you were a pauper to learn humility, you would not accomplish your goal because the memory of the prince would make you bitter

Status in life is meaningless IF there is life beyond death, because you cannot take that gold with you. The only baggage allowed is your experiences

One also has no say as to the condition of the body in the next life, one could be born blind, deaf, dumb or all three!

True enough and you also have to include KARMA. Karma is like a bank account. The universe takes accounting of what you do.  Lets look at a war example. You are dropped into a Vietnam village. It is considered wrong to take a life by most sane religions and social groups... yet you are now in a situation where you see a young woman with a bomb in her baby carriage (baby in it as well)  She is about to walk into the middle of a group of 20 people and commit suicide

You kill that woman... you have a death on your hands, your karma records a kill.  However you have saved that baby and the 20 intended victims... karma +21 lives  so you have a net gain of +19 lives saved

A guy like Hitler now has a very big karmic debt to pay.  You can expect he will suffer a tad for a few regenerations.  Afterall, though you DO have choice, you still have to pay the Cosmic Scale to achieve balance

Zorgon, can you say that you were able to choose how your current life would play out?

I can say I know I had a part in choosing where I would be born to get what I was seeking this time around. I can also say 100% that it is MY choice whether or not I follow the path set out by me... for me.

I can also say at this stage in my life I have learned the lesson for this cycle... though the details I will keep to myself. That said I have shown several people so far how to take that same lesson to heart...  And like that old Sensei with the one student, I consider I have more than fulfilled my commitment to pass it on

Can I prove it to you? Most likely not. But at some point you have to look inside YOU to see that the answer is the truth.

The Akashic Record is real.. Artists and Geniuses draw upon it all the time. It explains how three independent people can 'invent' the liquid feul rocket at the same time without having contact and can come up with the same plan exactly  at a time when we as a species were ready to step off our cradle

Even Christians have their "Book of Life" in which everything is recorded. The  Kabbalah is yet another name for it

But the Guardians are real too... make no mistake about that



http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1395.msg16396#msg16396

[zorgon]

Akashic Records



Akasha is a Sanskrit word meaning "sky", "space", or "æther", and it entered the language of theosophy through H. P. Blavatsky, (Rosicrucian) who characterized it as a sort of life force; she also referred to "indestructible tablets of the astral light" recording both the past and future of human thought and action, but she did not use the term "akashic". The notion of an akashic record is attributed to Alfred Percy Sinnett, who, in his book Esoteric Buddhism (1884), wrote of a Buddhist belief in "a permanency of records in the Akasa" and "the potential capacity of man to read the same." By C. W. Leadbeater's Clairvoyance (1899) the association of the term with the idea was complete, and he identified the akashic records by name as something a clairvoyant could read

Yes a simplified wiki entry  LOL 


H. P. Blavatsky and the Masters
http://rosicrucian.50webs.com/hsl/hsl-hp-blavatsky-and-the-masters.htm

Edgar Casey Akashic Record
http://www.edgarcayce.org/are/spiritualGrowth.aspx?id=2078

[The Matrix Traveller]

H. P. Blavatsky, (Rosicrucian) who characterized it as a sort of life force;

Indeed it is one correct way of describing 'The Real SELF' !

The Same as I refer to as 'Awareness' Like Consciousness or 'Awareness' which is The LIFE component
or as some ancients referred to it as 'The True Mind'

This Component has been from the Beginning or as I term it 'The Awakening'.

I personally don't refer to 'The Real SELF' as a 'force', because most would confuse it with 'Energy'.

But this does NOT say I disagree with H. P. Blavatsky, just another way of describing LIFE.   

In my reply to <onetruekeeper> I said I was Not Buddhist which is true, sadly many non Buddhists,
confuse being Buddhist with only Religion.

One can be Buddhist without being Religious !



I would recommend others also look into the teachings of the Rosicrucian, as they will find many answers there.

WHAT some refer to as 'Reincarnation' is a Fact !

The only difference in what I say keeps things in context, where many believe the Soul is in humans
and Animals... but I say the 'Images' of our body are in fact, Inside the Soul.

To involved to reveal in this thread.   

The Soul being the 'Processing System', where by 'The Real Self', a 'Partition of LIFE' experiences
both a species, in this case the 'human Primate' ('Avatar', as in like a '1st person'
Computer game, but far more Sophisticated) and Environment.

We experience this inside the region of the 'Visual Cortex' of our brain

and Assume the environment Outside the Environment of the 'Visual Cortex' to be the Same.

It is only the 'Programs', which are involved, which bring this assumption about.

But actually 'human based Science' is yet to really understand this, but when it is realised our understanding
of this little universe shall change ... 

It can be shown/revealed WHAT actually exists Outside the Processing environment of the brain,
and that The Brain also behaves as a 'Decoder/Encoding' system between the Program presented
and the experience which is in fact Bidirectional in its application.

Our whole experience is Generated by 'Communication' or 'Dialogue', involving the 2 'Ends'
of 'The True Mind', through the 'Processing System' some of the Ancients referred to as
the Soul or City in other cases.

[onetruekeeper]

Zorgon and Matrix,
Thanks for the response to my post concerning reincarnation. Here is my take on your response.

Yin & Yang, Duality -
The universe might appear to have duality written all over it but I think it is nothing more than our minds seeing what patterns it wants to see. There is no duality in my opinion. Even the differences between genders is only superficial, merely a difference in plumbing so to speak and behavior patterns, the latter which is learned by years of psychological conditioning and social expectations.

Akashic Records-
The recording of data takes place in space and time but if you have an infinite amount of data to deal with then no recording is possible for it would take an infinite amount of time to record and retrieve the data. So I would think that there is no such thing as a Akashic Records. The data is more likely being suspended in some infinite associative memory function which can only be accessed via consciousness when the need comes up.
It is impossible to file and categorize an infinite amount of data so using association is the only way to come up with any results which most likely would be incomplete and possibly false at times...LOL

Past life memory-
There is no way to prove that the past life memory belonged to the same person due to the discontinuity from one life to the next.

[petrus4]

Nobody created the Matrix prison we seem to be in now in my opinion. I and everyone else seem to have been born into it from the start. Why?
I do not have the answer. Only a deranged individual would want to live in a hellhole like our world. I certainly would not have chosen to come here if given the choice.

Forgive me for being confrontational, onetruekeeper, but your perspective does sound very disempowering.  Don't get me wrong; I indulge in victimhood myself, all the time.  We've largely been raised from the cradle to do so, in this society.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2872.msg40070#msg40070

I would like to encourage you to read both the original post in the above linked thread, and my most recent post in said thread as well.

Before you dismiss this as sounding New Agey and generally bogus after you've read it, realise that I actually have made other substantial changes in life, based on what I've wanted, as well. 

• I live in a small town near one of the most beautiful rainforest areas on the planet.  I have more exposure to animals and the natural world here on a daily basis, than many people living in an urban environment will possibly have during their entire lifetime.
• I'm not working 2-3 fast food jobs like many Americans do, in order to avoid starving.  I don't have a lot of money, but I can eat.
• In real, practical terms, I have only as much contact with mainstream Western society as I choose.

[zorgon]

Yin & Yang, Duality -
The universe might appear to have duality written all over it but I think it is nothing more than our minds seeing what patterns it wants to see. There is no duality in my opinion.

So you would deny that the absence of light is the dark?  The entire universe runs on frequency... this is not something we imagine but something that can be proven. Every light wave has a frequency, a sine wave pattern that alternate continuously between positive and negative with the neutral point being the line of balance.

So you are entitled to your opinion, but science proves you wrong.

Akashic Records-
The recording of data takes place in space and time but if you have an infinite amount of data to deal with then no recording is possible for it would take an infinite amount of time to record and retrieve the data. So I would think that there is no such thing as a Akashic Records. The data is more likely being suspended in some infinite associative memory function which can only be accessed via consciousness when the need comes up.

Has it occurred to you that the data is NOT unlimited?  Look at the elements for example. Without getting into the higher yet to be proven elements, we can now number 116 different elements that make up the entire know universe. Humans, rocks, water, microbes  ALL are made of a mere handful of these elements arranged in a specific pattern

116 perhaps a few more...  that is it..

But now lets look closer.... EVERYONE of those elements is made up of only THREE particles. These particles are exactly the same in all elements  A proton, and Electron and a Neutron  In other words a positive particle a negative particle and the ever present balance the neutral zone or neutron

That is you duality at the most basic level of the makeup of the Universe.  Sure we can go even lower to quarks and leptons which make up the other three... but all that does in amplify the duality without the neuttral point

It is impossible to file and categorize an infinite amount of data so using association is the only way to come up with any results which most likely would be incomplete and possibly false at times...LOL

"The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible." ~ Sir Arthur C Clarke

impossible... the ONLY way...  most likely... LOL...  These words show that you attempt to laugh off that which you cannot explain nor accept

Past life memory-
There is no way to prove that the past life memory belonged to the same person due to the discontinuity from one life to the next.

As I said I have no need nor desire to PROVE anything to you... I KNOW my recollections from past lives are sound... I have no need for YOU to believe me. As I have said many times... when the 'end' is near YOU will understand. As long as you can face that moment with integrity, you will not need to fear it

Look me up next time around...  lemme know your thoughts then   

[onetruekeeper]

I myself do not feel dis-empowered, but find it rather puzzling as to how I ended up in this world. I used to think that life was some kind of test or a rite of passage one had to go through in order to advanced to some "higher" form of existence but I am not certain.
I guess only time will tell as to what may unfold so I prod on forward.

[zorgon]

Does SOMETHING Survive the body after death?

Lets leave the conscious soul aside for a minute and look at a scientific purely energy point of view. Science has told us that energy CANNOT be destroyed... so if that is true how can the energy that is our life force be destroyed? It cannot... it is as simple as that

The Rosicrucians use a simple example to illustrate this. Imagine a string of light bulbs like you see in a Mediterranean street



Each light bulb has individuality and can be either on or off. If you smash one you will kill that bulb... it can never shine again as the container is broken.  But what of the energy that gave that light bulb life? Is it gone?

No... it merely finds another container to light up 

But it is the same electron. An electron has it's own unique and identifiable identity.

Quantum Physics has proven in recent years that electrons will do one thing when watched, but behave differently when not observed

Just like these electrons that move in a current through the aether, so too does our life force continue in the plasma stream of the universe.

At some point that life force will give life to yet another container.

The ONLY question is... do we retain our consciousness during this process

The lost chord.

This garden universe vibrates complete.
Some we get a sound so sweet.
Vibrations reach on up to become light,
And then through gamma, out of sight.
Between the eyes and ears there lie,
The sounds of colour and the light of a sigh.
And to hear the sun, what a thing to believe.
But it's all around if we could but perceive.
To know ultra-violet, infra-red and X-rays,
Beauty to find in so many ways.
Two notes of the chord, that's our fluoroscope.
But to reach the chord is our lifes hope.
And to name the chord is important to some.

[zorgon]

I myself do not feel dis-empowered, but find it rather puzzling as to how I ended up in this world.

As have many for thousands of years. It is that question that allows religions to trap people in forced beliefs

I used to think that life was some kind of test or a rite of passage one had to go through in order to advanced to some "higher" form of existence but I am not certain.

Well there are only three options

1) We are naught but food for worms so do as you will because it won't matter
2) You are part of some higher beings experiment and that being expects you to obey without question
3) You are your own entity on a journey of learning to reach a higher level

So whether or not you are certain, seems to me that option 3 is the better one to strive for

I guess only time will tell as to what may unfold so I prod on forward.

Yes time WILL be the revealer of all truth. THAT much is certain... but rather than prod along, would it not be better to make the most of the ride?

It is not that hard to find places on this planet to escape that prison you speak of  and you might even meet a Tibetan Princess

Kelsang Metok - Falling Love with Jiuzhaigou Valley

[Pimander]

What many believe Buddhism is about, is usually misunderstood by those who are not Buddhist.   

I'm basing my assumptions on what Buddha allegedly said.

The problem is that there are many branches of Buddhism.  I'd agree that Zen is less religious.  However, if you take the example of Tantric Buddhism then there are "Gods" and such like.

A Five Minute Introduction

• What is Buddhism?

Buddhism is a religion to about 300 million people around the world. The word comes from 'budhi', 'to awaken'. It has its origins about 2,500 years ago when Siddhartha Gotama, known as the Buddha, was himself awakened (enlightened) at the age of 35.

http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/5minbud.htm

[onetruekeeper]

Buddhism is NOT a religion because there is no deity involved. The temples and the statues of the Buddha might give the impression of worship but what is mostly taking place are acts of DEVOTION and contemplation, to remember and honor the Buddha for his teachings. Those who go to these temples to PRAY and make offerings for luck are not true practitioners of Buddhism but are tolerated by the priests because they provide income and resources which the priests need.

[zorgon]

I'm basing my assumptions on what Buddha allegedly said.

I have for many years tried to trace the Bon tradition back to the middles east origins, from a spot near where the stargate should lie through the Zhangzung empire into what is now modern Tibet and Nepal

It is not an easy search

Zhangzhung (Tibetan pronunciation: [?a??u?]) was an ancient culture and kingdom of western and northwestern Tibet, which pre-dates the culture of Tibetan Buddhism in Tibet. Zhangzhung culture is associated with the Bon religion, which in turn, has influenced the philosophies and practices of Tibetan Buddhism. Zhangzhung people are mentioned frequently in ancient Tibetan texts as the original rulers of central and western Tibet. Only in the last two decades have archaeologists been given access to do archaeological work in the areas once ruled by the Zhangzhung.

Recently, a tentative match has been proposed between the Zhangzhung and an Iron Age culture now being uncovered on the Changtang plateau of northwestern Tibet.

The problem is that there are many branches of Buddhism.  I'd agree that Zen is less religious.  However, if you take the example of Tantric Buddhism then there are "Gods" and such like.

This is a coomon fate of most religions. As the old ORIGINAL stories are tainted and changed as time goes on, mankind makes INTERPRETATION on what he THINKS was meant in the ancient texts but has lost the context

Jews Muslim and Christians all follow the same god.  The top elders know this as fact even if the church goers will deny it. The onlt difference between the three is a matter of INTERPRETATION of the Word.

It is further complicated by more splinter groups within those three based on yet more interpretations by other men. Martin Luther disagreed with the RC version of  Hell  so he removed it

On and on it goes  ALL religions and traditions have lost their purity (save maybe a few hidden in the mountains or deep in caves  )

Wars have been and are still being fought over which interpretation is the right one. If you disagree with me I will have to kill you and plan a Jihad against your family and your dog   


Zhangzhung culture's influence in India

It is noteworthy that the Bonpo tradition claims that it was founded by a Buddha-like figure named Tonpa Shenrab Miwoche,[15] to whom are ascribed teachings similar in scope to those ascribed to the historical Buddha. Bonpos claim that Tonpa Shenrab Miwoche lived some 18,000 years ago, and visited Tibet from the land of Tagzig Olmo Lung Ring, or Shambhala. Bonpos also suggest that during this time Lord Shenrab Miwoche's teaching permeated the entire subcontinent and was in part responsible for the development of the Vedic religion. An example of this link is said to be Mount Kailash, which is the center of Zhang Zhung culture, and also the most sacred mountain to Hindus. As a result, the Bonpos claim that the supposedly much later teaching at least indirectly owes its origin to Tonpa Shenrab Miwoche.

[The Matrix Traveller]

All is generated through Communication based on 'Opposites'.

Can anyone identify a single part of this little universe that does NOT involve Communication of some sorts
such as Kinetic response involving rules some refer to as the laws of physics.

We can say any response by anything interacting involves communication between such interactions.

The human languages or languages of other species are NOT the only form of Language.   



All our senses involve different forms of 'Communication' involving 'form'.

It is impossible to express anything omitting the concepts and principals involving 'form'.


Even Math is a language relating to Form even dealing with the non dimensional, as 'Form'
is the basic language underpinning All.


All has both an Inner and Outer and one can NOT exist with out the other even in the 'Non Dimensional World'
Involving 'Concepts'.

So this says that ALL is made up of 'Opposites'.

Even IF you look at your little Universe there are only 2 building blocks behind Form !

Straight and Curved or the combination of the 2 !     Am I right or am I Right ?   

See if you can identify some other, other than these 2 .... 

So as there are only 2 they can be understood as being Opposites ...

Straight NOT Curved.
or Curved NOT Straight.

Or consisting of Both ...

We also have what is Believed to be material, both 'matter' and 'Anti Matter'.

In fact the whole of existence is based on a "Paradoxical Algorithm" .

One of the components which allows "Choice".

And this 'Paradox Algorithm' is formed from a 'Geometric Algorithm' involving 'Concepts' involving
the expression of 'Form'.

Everything in the expression of 'Form' has an 'Opposite', its that fact which produces a 'tree' allowing Choice.

The whole experience involves 'Interactive Geometry' from 'touch' to 'emotion'.

To comprehend the 'Holographic Universe Model' 1st you require some Programming skills.

It also helps if one knows a little about 'Conceptual Processing Systems' few on earth understand
where to find such and HOW to make practical use of these systems.

The nearest to such systems used on earth, are 'Virtual Processing Systems' but 'Conceptual Processing Systems',
use ONLY 'Communication Principles', involving a Geometric based language, which has been around
for thousands of years on earth, at one time only the ruling families were aware of.


One example of 'Opposites' can be found in a simple Geometric Plane as it can ONLY exist having more
than One Face.

A Geometric Plane can NOT exist having ONLY one Face even in 2D.
Or even if simply in the expression of Thought.

See what I Mean ?   

[zorgon]

Buddhism is NOT a religion because there is no deity involved.

Technically you are correct but when discussing such topics people will generally refer to it as a religion as it is still a spiritual belief system