Nazi UFO conspiracy

[Pimander]

I'm guessing the above was a typo and you meant to say "The crashed Roswell vehicle was not reported to look like a flying wing".

Correct.

...and when you examine your notes you will find Arnold changed his original story a few weeks later of them all being flying discs to one of them being heel shaped, as photographed by Rankin, when he was informed of the sighting by AAF investigators interviewing him.

Ah yes, I remember doing a thread on it over at ATS now.


Have I missed something?  Can someone explain to me how 1060s craft could be responsible for a 1940s UFO incident?

I am almost certain that there was no nuclear propelled craft in the 1940s.   Rocketry was in its infancy.

Here is an example of a nuclear power source from 1943.

The reactor consists of a huge block of graphite, measuring 24 feet (7.3 m) on each side, surrounded by several feet of high-density concrete as a radiation shield.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-10_Graphite_Reactor

So the mass of shielding is a huge problem.

This was the only known airborne reactor experiment by the U.S. with an operational nuclear reactor on board. The NTA flew a total of 47 times testing the reactor over West Texas and Southern New Mexico. The reactor, named the Aircraft Shield Test Reactor (ASTR), was operational but did not power the plane, rather the primary purpose of the flight program was shield testing. Based on the results of the NTA, the X-6 and the entire nuclear aircraft program was abandoned in 1961.

It was a presidential election year. Frustrated that Soviets had an operational atomic airplane before we did, and at Eisenhower's seeming ambivalence to it, Kennedy promised to pump additional resources into the atomic airplane project should he be elected.

Kennedy won the election—and within several months of taking office, he cancelled the nuclear airplane program all together. What happened? Well, it turns out that Eisenhower's ambivalence to the whole thing was warranted. Late in his term, he found out that the Soviets did not in fact have an atomic airplane. The whole thing was a hoax. And we bought into it hard.

So, the atomic airplane scheme faded into history. Until the fall of the Iron Curtain.

http://mentalfloss.com/article/53184/brief-history-nuclear-airplanes

I could be wrong but I doubt they had nuclear propelled craft.  If someone said some alleged UFO crash sites were nuclear accidents then I'd agree, but I don't think there was nuclear propelled flight in the 1940s.

[Sinny]

Have I missed something?  Can someone explain to me how 1060s craft could be responsible for a 1940s UFO incident?

Yea, the craft could have pre-dated the 1960's..

Dohh aha.

I'm not saying it did however.

I reckon Tunguska was a nuclear Fission error in a flying device.

[astr0144]

Was Roswell UFO Crash A Secret Nazi Aircraft?.

I wonder if the Huntington Post website have been reading this PRC thread ?

The Roswell, New Mexico, UFO crash of 1947 was the result of -- here it comes, wait for it -- top secret Nazi technology. No alien spacecraft, no alien bodies, but an aircraft called the "Bell" (depicted above from a 2008 Discovery Channel documentary).




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At least that's what a new German film seems to suggest, according to OpenMinds.tv.

To be sure, it's questionable what actually happened in the outskirts of that small town 67 years ago. But it's also questionable if this film will ever see the light of day.

At least, here's the most truthful thing known about the incident: Something came out of the sky in July 1947 and crashed on a ranch near Roswell. But what that "something" was has become a nearly 70-year-old legend.

Everything from extraterrestrial spacecraft to weather balloon to military high altitude device for spying on Soviet nuclear testing has been offered for the identity of the crashed object.

And now, the film, supposedly called "UFOs and the Third Reich," is promoting another theory: A 10-foot-wide, 12-foot-high, anti-gravity, bell-shaped craft, combining rocket and helicopter technology, created by Nazi Germany, fell into the hands of the U.S. in 1943, who further developed the project. An alleged test of the Bell resulted in its crash, which became the event that started the Roswell UFO saga.

Stories about the Nazi Bell have cropped up in the UFO literature for many years, including Discovery Channel's 2008 "Nazi UFO Conspiracy."


"This is what I saw, with my own eyes -- a Nazi UFO," German aeronautical engineer Georg Klein is reputed to say in "UFOs and the Third Reich." "I don't consider myself a crackpot or eccentric or someone given to fantasies."

The new film is also rumored to focus on German engineer, Joseph Andreas Epp, who reportedly worked on a UFO project which resulted in several saucer-shaped vehicles that supposedly included dome-shaped cabins and a rotating rim.

"The wing blades would be allowed to rotate freely as the saucer moved forward, as in an auto-gyrocopter," Epp said. "In all probability, the wing blades speed -- and so, their lifting value -- could also be increased by directing the adjustable horizontal jets slightly upwards to engage the blades, thus spinning them faster at the digression of the pilot."

If the so-called Bell UFO is what actually crashed outside of Roswell in 1947, it would contradict the many military eyewitnesses who eventually came forward and described the physical appearance and otherworldy characteristics of the object that fell out of the New Mexico sky -- not to mention their descriptions of several small humanoid occupants of the craft.

This isn't the first time we've looked at the so-called Nazi-UFO-Alien connection.

Back in 2011, investigative reporter Annie Jacobsen raised a controversial question in her book about the top secret Nevada military base, known as Area 51: Did former Soviet leader Joseph Stalin recruit Josef Mengele, the Nazi "Angel of Death," to surgically alter children to look like aliens in 1947, and did they place these malformed adolescents on board a Soviet spy plane to be part of the Roswell UFO crash?

At the beginning of 2014, we examined a wild story that suggested the U.S. government has been under the control of a shadow government overseen by extraterrestrials who helped Nazi Germany's rise in the 1930s.

The current German documentary certainly won't bring more answers to the Roswell debate. At the very least, it offers further questions about who and what to believe of the biggest UFO controversy in history.

And, oh, there's one other thing about this "new" film. Whoever the producers of it are, they don't seem too interested in releasing any promotional clips, trailers or still images from it. An extensive Internet search hasn't turned up anything -- yet.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/30/roswell-ufo-secret-nazi-aircraft_n_6037164.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

[Sinny]

Astro, go look up:

Joseph P Farrell
Peter Levenda
Martin Cannon
Alex constantine
And William lyne,

There are more, but I'm half asleep.

Re, Nazi Bell etc etc..

[A51Watcher]

And so we have thousands of sightings of flying saucers all across the nation for the entire year of 1947, not one report of a bell, yet when one comes down it turns out to be a flying bell?

Makes perfect sense. 

[onetruekeeper]

Here is a article about the Roswell UFO crash that may have involved Nazi rocket technology:
http://ufomafia.com/blog/documentary-roswell-crash-nazi-rocket-technology

[astr0144]

Well A51,

From what I can gather, you have recently posted many examples of UFO sightings as statements or evidence that did take place in 1947...and there was few if any that suggest that they were Nazi Craft or at least were not of the flying Bell shape....

It seems maybe that you are probably the only person on PRC that has done such indepth research on this and I am very doubtful that many people, even those with a keen interest...would spend such time and effort trying to do so.

Sinny seems to have gone quite a lot further than most (on PRC ) in terms of trying to looking into other possibilities...be it Nazi Craft or looking into many of the other conspiracy suggestions...

Im not sure if what you have shown well as yet have satisfied her intensity and indepth of research... but I think you are helping me to re think again...

I well try and take a look at some of the other videos posted and suggested to take a look at..to try and conclude on what I started this thread about...

Generally Id doubt many other forums would have someone as keen as you who could pass on such information that may have otherwise easily of sidetracked researchers to consider the Nazi theories..

Were they designed as another form of deceit to try to keep us away from continually looking at the real evidence ?

As WW2 was before 1947 Roswell incident....
I do need to look and try to check some facts as to just what sort of suggested Nazi craft sightings were occurring before and after 1947...!

And so we have thousands of sightings of flying saucers all across the nation for the entire year of 1947, not one report of a bell, yet when one comes down it turns out to be a flying bell?

Makes perfect sense. 

[Sinny]

And so we have thousands of sightings of flying saucers all across the nation for the entire year of 1947, not one report of a bell, yet when one comes down it turns out to be a flying bell?

Makes perfect sense. 

I'm not stating it was a Bell, the purpose of the article is not to pin point the design of the craft, but to in form us of the technology behind it.

Santa's slay would make more sense than little grey aliens travelling across the galaxy to extract cattle bits and sperm....

[zorgon]

Him I can prove

[Sinny]

Him I can prove

What the frig lol.

[Lunica]

And so we have thousands of sightings of flying saucers all across the nation for the entire year of 1947, not one report of a bell, yet when one comes down it turns out to be a flying bell?

Makes perfect sense. 

No, it makes no perfect sense: 

[onetruekeeper]

I would think that small sized UFO's that crash on this planet and are recovered are some sort of recon probe. Too small to serve as transportation but I heard of UFO cases where the interior of the UFO was larger than the exterior of the craft. Some sort of spacial distortion is taking place or the occupants are somehow transformed into either smaller size or turned into a energy form in order to fit inside the craft. The interior they are perceiving would then most likely could be a simulation projected into their minds to give the illusion of being in a actual place. A pretty neat way to get around I think.

[Ellirium113]

I would think that small sized UFO's that crash on this planet and are recovered are some sort of recon probe. Too small to serve as transportation but I heard of UFO cases where the interior of the UFO was larger than the exterior of the craft. Some sort of spacial distortion is taking place or the occupants are somehow transformed into either smaller size or turned into a energy form in order to fit inside the craft. The interior they are perceiving would then most likely could be a simulation projected into their minds to give the illusion of being in a actual place. A pretty neat way to get around I think.

Perhaps it is we that live in the simulation and our perception of reality is distorted due to the fact it is beyond comprehension so to us it is whatever we understand it to be.

[zorgon]

Dr Who already covered that issue. The interior simply exists in another dimension.  If you can travel through time and space at plus light speeds, it shouldn't be a problem

It would also explain why UFO pilots don't get plastered on the walls with high speed maneuvers



"A larger cube can appear to be able to fit inside a smaller one if the larger cube is farther away, yet immediately accessible at the same time"

[onetruekeeper]

Perhaps it is we that live in the simulation and our perception of reality is distorted due to the fact it is beyond comprehension so to us it is whatever we understand it to be.

For that possibility to happen, the conscious entity or "soul" must be able to interface with the simulation in order to experience the simulation's virtual reality program. Some suggest that the simulation itself could produce consciousness but I do not agree with this theory. I believe that the best that a simulation can do is to mimic a conscious person.