Precognition and the Non Ordinary Dream: NASA

[onetruekeeper]

I suppose it's possible.
That doesn't explain why I stopped having deja vus and started seeing them as slightly different from the original.

Obviously, I'm not talking about a deja vu like those in Matrix, as I never had one of those and I don't know any case of a deja vu like that.

Perhaps it's a case of slipping into a parallel universe where events that are almost identical to ours takes place.

[ArMaP]

Perhaps it's a case of slipping into a parallel universe where events that are almost identical to ours takes place.

Sorry, I don't understand what part of my post the above sentence applies, could you please tell me? Thanks.

[onetruekeeper]

Sorry, I don't understand what part of my post the above sentence applies, could you please tell me? Thanks.

Please disregard it then. I may have misread your post.

[The Matrix Traveller]

It is possible that our lives play out like a movie on a videotape and that our so called free will is only an illusion. All of our decisions that we are making now and will make in the future have already been predetermined. Now and then we play mind games with ourselves to reassure  that we still have free will. But ironically that too was already predetermined.

BINGO .  Right on the nail.   

[UFOOWNER]

BINGO .  Right on the nail.   

Predetermined before the big bang even. they let some of it out and there is an infinte supply left.

"Thus 'MATTER' is not a part of the ultimate material of this world but merely a convenient way of collecting events into bundles." Bertrand Russell 1872-1970

[onetruekeeper]

When I used the word "predetermined" I am not suggesting that someone or something is deciding to create us or what future events we will experience. Deciding and creating obviously takes place only in space and time. Since everything emerges from infinity which is outside of space and time then how we come into existence and how events unfold will remain a total mystery. In this case even asking how is meaningless.

[The Matrix Traveller]

Deciding and creating obviously takes place only in space and time. Since everything emerges from infinity which is outside of space and time then how we come into existence and how events unfold will remain a total mystery.

Why do you believe this ?

All comes through 'Communication' or you would NOT know you exist
or even that this little Universe exists.   

I say Little .... because your experience is within the 'Processing System' of your brain,
involving the 'Visual Cortex' and other Processes LINKED to this.

You assume the same exists outside this Processing environment re. the brain.

But either way it can't be proven !

The Communication involves Processing. Any function at all involves a Process which can't be denied ...

Can you name one thing or 'happening', that does NOT involve some 'Process' or 'Communication' ?

In this case even asking how is meaningless.

This statement is belief based ONLY ..... and has nothing to do with 'Intelligence'.   

Not suggesting you Lack 'Intelligence' or anything, but instead Intelligence per say.

When we learn HOW to drive a car then we can drive it ....   

The same applies with Quote;

Deciding and creating obviously takes place only in space and time. Since everything emerges from infinity which is outside of space and time then how we come into existence and how events unfold will remain a total mystery.

When you learn the 'Processing Language', then you can use this for practical every day use.

Such as allowing you to build Transport, which will allow you to experience crossing Galaxies in minutes ... LOL.

So NO it is NOT as you put it;

In this case even asking how is meaningless.

[onetruekeeper]

Sleepwalking studies have shown that the human body is capable of functioning quite well without conscious direction and is also able to perform very complex tasks on it's own ( driving a vehicle, engaging in conversation, household chores, eating and going to the toilet..etc ) all without the person being aware of what's going on.
This begs the question as to what purpose does consciousness serve in relation to the body?
Why does consciousness find itself trapped in the body when the body shows that it does not require it?
Consciousness research has also shown that the conscious mind ( not brain or sensory function ) is capable of perceiving sight, smell, taste, sound, touch of distant objects and places without the need of the body.
It seems to me that something, perhaps an amusing idea conceived of eons ago had gone terribly wrong.
Human bodily habitation was probably just an idea that was tried out for fun but somehow got out of control and now we are unable to free ourselves from it unless we physically die.

[The Matrix Traveller]

Sleepwalking studies have shown that the human body is capable of functioning quite well without conscious direction and is also able to perform very complex tasks on it's own ( driving a vehicle,
engaging in conversation, household chores, eating and going to the toilet..etc ) all without the person being aware of what's going on.

That's because you are studying an 'Avatar' (Like that used in 1st person Computer games)

It's NOT the 'flesh', which is 'AWARE' of anything, that is why we refer to the 'human Primate' as a person,
and NOT an 'AWARENESS' ...   

We might say "Who is that 'person' over there" ?

But we never say "Who is that 'AWARENESS' over there" ?

This begs the question as to what purpose does consciousness serve in relation to the body?

NOT at all, it is 'AWARENESS' which experiences the 'human Primate' or 'Avatar',
NOT the flesh.

The 'flesh' doesn't even know it exists .....  let alone know LIFE. 

Check this out for yourself, see IF any 'Component' of your body knows you ?   

Why does consciousness find itself trapped in the body when the body shows that it does not require it?

It isn't trapped at all ....  because it isn't in the 'human Primate' to start with.

Consciousness research has also shown that the conscious mind ( not brain or sensory function )
is capable of perceiving sight, smell, taste, sound, touch of distant objects and places without the need
of the body.

Now that is CORRECT !

But the experience is in a different mode of experience.

It seems to me that something, perhaps an amusing idea conceived of eons ago had gone terribly wrong.

NOT at at all ....  WHY do you believe the above statement you've made. ?

It was meant to be or it would never have taken place.

Human bodily habitation was probably just an idea that was tried out for fun but somehow got out of control and now we are unable to free ourselves from it unless we physically die.

Speak for yourself.  Why on Earth would you draw this conclusion ?   

[onetruekeeper]

There was a funny story of how Hugh Everett, the famous physicist that came up with the theory of parallel universes one day got into a conversation with a religious person who believed in GOD. It is said that Hugh Everett, who was a atheist, was able to convince this religious man by showing him a mathematical formula
that there was no GOD. The religious man became very distraught that all these years he believed in something that wasn't true. Are YOU ready to be shown the truth? Most people cannot handle the truth. The first indication of this is that there is no way to have a understandable dialog with that person because that person will use words and terms that are totally alien to the other. Asking for clarification will only bring more jargon and confusing responses. That person has built up such an elaborate paradigm system over the years that now he or she is a prisoner of that system, unable to find a way out or maybe they like it there and don't want to leave for fear of the unknown that lurks just outside their comfort zone.
I could be guilty of this myself..heck, maybe we ALL are to some degree but at least I try to explain my delusions as clearly as possible so that the other person can at least understand what I am trying to say.

[UFOOWNER]

There was a funny story of how Hugh Everett, the famous physicist that came up with the theory of parallel universes one day got into a conversation with a religious person who believed in GOD. It is said that Hugh Everett, who was a atheist, was able to convince this religious man by showing him a mathematical formula
that there was no GOD. The religious man became very distraught that all these years he believed in something that wasn't true. Are YOU ready to be shown the truth? Most people cannot handle the truth. The first indication of this is that there is no way to have a understandable dialog with that person because that person will use words and terms that are totally alien to the other. Asking for clarification will only bring more jargon and confusing responses. That person has built up such an elaborate paradigm system over the years that now he or she is a prisoner of that system, unable to find a way out or maybe they like it there and don't want to leave for fear of the unknown that lurks just outside their comfort zone.
I could be guilty of this myself..heck, maybe we ALL are to some degree but at least I try to explain my delusions as clearly as possible so that the other person can at least understand what I am trying to say.

I remember a quote but forgot the author's name it goes "We cease to believe in the unknowable but there it sits nevertheless calmly licking its chops."

[UFOOWNER]

I'll give you one to think on: Monopoly World It's time to play monopoly everyone. So get ready. And watch your head. They're back!

Parker Brothers should like this idea in the future.

People will be busy in the future right up to the point where we get back and then it starts all over again. A cycle of off world to on world travel bringing new materials and better advancements each time. And it only gets quicker and better each time.

[Sinny]

There was a funny story of how Hugh Everett, the famous physicist that came up with the theory of parallel universes one day got into a conversation with a religious person who believed in GOD. It is said that Hugh Everett, who was a atheist, was able to convince this religious man by showing him a mathematical formula
that there was no GOD. The religious man became very distraught that all these years he believed in something that wasn't true. Are YOU ready to be shown the truth? Most people cannot handle the truth. The first indication of this is that there is no way to have a understandable dialog with that person because that person will use words and terms that are totally alien to the other. Asking for clarification will only bring more jargon and confusing responses. That person has built up such an elaborate paradigm system over the years that now he or she is a prisoner of that system, unable to find a way out or maybe they like it there and don't want to leave for fear of the unknown that lurks just outside their comfort zone.
I could be guilty of this myself..heck, maybe we ALL are to some degree but at least I try to explain my delusions as clearly as possible so that the other person can at least understand what I am trying to say.

Awesome post, although I'm not really a fan of the 'Math proved God doesn't exist' bit.

[UFOOWNER]

Awesome post, although I'm not really a fan of the 'Math proved God doesn't exist' bit.

I agree with your signature. And as a result of that signature I think that the US government should be an exclamation mark rather than a question mark. I know why the government is a question mark. It all has to do with the way in which they acquired what they were given. Why do you think Area 51 is ready to shoot any one for trespassing. It all has to do with they way in which they acquired this technology. That which gave it to them is allowing them to beat around the bush. 

I will give Einstein's view on God and the meaning of life: "What is the meaning of human life, or of organic life altogether? To answer this question at all implies a religion. Is there any sense then, you ask, in putting it? I answer, the man who regards his own life and that of his fellow creatures as meaningless is not merely unfortunate but almost disqualified for life." Albert Einstein The World As I See It This is how I feel about Zorgon's response that there is no disclosure and that to answer this debate at all implies a disclosure. Is there any sense then I ask in debating this question of disclosure?   

[Sinny]

I agree with your signature. And as a result of that signature I think that the US government should be an exclamation mark rather than a question mark. I know why the government is a question mark. It all has to do with the way in which they acquired what they were given. Why do you think Area 51 is ready to shoot any one for trespassing. It all has to do with they way in which they acquired this technology. That which gave it to them is allowing them to beat around the bush. 

I will give Einstein's view on God and the meaning of life: "What is the meaning of human life, or of organic life altogether? To answer this question at all implies a religion. Is there any sense then, you ask, in putting it? I answer, the man who regards his own life and that of his fellow creatures as meaningless is not merely unfortunate but almost disqualified for life." Albert Einstein The World As I See It This is how I feel about Zorgon's response that there is no disclosure and that to answer this debate at all implies a disclosure. Is there any sense then I ask in debating this question of disclosure?   

I give up chasing the ghost of 'disclosure' early on, I realised there was only personal disclosure, a perception, an inner reality.

'I know' UFOs are real.
'I know' things go 'bump in the night'
'I know' Oswald did not kill JFK
'I know' 9/11 was an inside job
'I know' The New World order is on the verge

'I know', we all know, and we're never going to 'be told' we know.

Open secrets - the human race - a horse holdings itself on a leash, trapped by the chains of it's mind.