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Charlie Hebdo: Gun attack on French magazine kills 12

Started by petrus4, January 07, 2015, 02:43:53 PM

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petrus4

Quote from: Norval on January 12, 2015, 01:29:31 AM
That WAS a clean head shot in the video.

Watch very carefully and you will see the first indication on the side walk in line THROUGH the head from muzzle to sidewalk. One can also see a small amount of "splatter" coming out and hitting the sidewalk. It looks red to me.

Except you can also see smoke/dust coming up from where the round hit the concrete; and said dust rises behind the officer's head.
"Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburgers."
        — Abbie Hoffman

ArMaP

Quote from: zorgon on January 11, 2015, 10:39:26 PM
If I had the money...

Is this place available? LOL 


No, like most castles and palaces it belongs to the state.  :)

ArMaP

Quote from: petrus4 on January 12, 2015, 12:53:14 AM
Come on, Wrabbit.  You can do better than that.  There would have been some blood.  Some.  There was none.
How long was the camera showing that area? If it was a short time it's possible that no blood was seen at the time.

The guy I saw being shot in the stomach had his back to me, but just after being shot he rotated, facing in my direction, with his hands to the stomach, and there were no visible signs of blood during that short period (maybe one or two seconds) until he fell to the ground and disappearing from my view.

Wrabbit2000

Quote from: petrus4 on January 12, 2015, 12:53:14 AM
Come on, Wrabbit.  You can do better than that.  There would have been some blood.  Some.  There was none.

Well, what ammunition were they using? Were that using hollow point boat tail copper jacketed hunting ammo or were they shooting cheap garbage off the Russian market with steel cases and steel cores? One would deform on a tree branch, let alone a human form. I'd have expected to see a good part of the inside come out the exit wound.

The latter would punch a car door and may retain a good percentage of it's energy and shape coming out the other end.

I'm betting on the cheap wolf type Russian junk, which ...oddly enough by the metals used, are armor piercing by definition.

petrus4

Quote from: Wrabbit2000 on January 12, 2015, 03:16:11 AM
The latter would punch a car door and may retain a good percentage of it's energy and shape coming out the other end.

I can accept the idea that sufficiently high calibre, solid metal ammunition might make a neat, tidy hole on its' way into and out of someone, because of the amount of momentum and so forth.  What I can not accept, however, is that even if the hole was neat and caused no deformation/shattering, that there would be no blood.  If you make a hole in someone, blood comes out; if for no other reason than in order to coagulate and seal the wound.
"Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburgers."
        — Abbie Hoffman

Glaucon

#50
Quote from: zorgonthese are Syrian Airforce bombings not US (as people on FB say)

Seems all they can say over there is Allah Hu Akbar (God is Great)






The Operator is filming those strikes! Am i special or is everyone oblivious! Syrian intelligence is on loan from Iran vis a vis the IRGC and its paramilitary equivalent...QUDS force.  They probably have successfully trained Syrian Shiites (Assad loyalists) with the capacity necessary for Syrian Air Force target acquisition.

Make no mistake, this is WAY more complex than most have time to understand sufficiently.

Frankly, i don't care if the French needed a little kick in the ass, fake or not....it's about time everybody realize its time to pick a side.

I'm an American
"The beginning of wisdom comes with the definition of terms" -Socrates

"..that the people being ignorant, and always discontented, to lay the foundation of government in the unsteady opinion and uncertain humour of the people, is to expose it to certain ruin" -Locke

ArMaP

Quote from: Glaucon on January 12, 2015, 12:33:42 PM
Frankly, i don't care if the French needed a little kick in the ass, fake or not....it's about time everybody realize its time to pick a side.
After reading that I remembered that France is the country that is usually seen as "responsible" for Lebanon and some African countries.

Wrabbit2000

Quote from: petrus4 on January 12, 2015, 04:38:24 AM
I can accept the idea that sufficiently high calibre, solid metal ammunition might make a neat, tidy hole on its' way into and out of someone, because of the amount of momentum and so forth.  What I can not accept, however, is that even if the hole was neat and caused no deformation/shattering, that there would be no blood.  If you make a hole in someone, blood comes out; if for no other reason than in order to coagulate and seal the wound.

In my opinion and life experience, the movies always show lots of blood and a bunch of gore splashing all over. CSI is a great show for that. It makes the whole plot around it, after all. If you take a moment, shut off the filters on Duck Duck Go or another search engine that doesn't trim it's content to be P.C. and search "Gunshot Crime Scene Photos" or similar strings....You'll find images that will make most people throw up. However..you'll also find a fair number that challenge what you're willing to accept about what is or isn't always visible with a gunshot. Gunshots are the oddest injuries, or can be, of them all.

Personally, I'm surprised by the fact it held a straight line. There is non fiction stuff out there where people are shot in the torso with exit wounds ranging from the top of the head to the lower legs. All kinds of weird stuff...

There is also something else I haven't seen confirmed either way? What was the cop wearing when shot? Was that a vest offering any form of protection? Guys in Iraq didn't always find protection from those rounds without ceramic plates, even with full body armor. However, even a heavy down vest could catch the bit of mist that might follow a clean shoot through on the exit?

zorgon

Quote from: Glaucon on January 12, 2015, 12:33:42 PM
Seems all they can say over there is Allah Hu Akbar (God is Great)

Listening to a lot of those it seems to me by their tone that they use it like we use Oh my God!!!!


QuoteI'm an American

Quote from: ArMaP on January 12, 2015, 01:51:06 PM
After reading that I remembered that France is the country that is usually seen as "responsible" for Lebanon and some African countries.

France does get blamed for a lot od crap :P 

They were Nazi collaborators  (covered in Hogan's Heros and the French underground)

When Quebec was making all that noise about splitting from Canada Charles de Gaulle came to stir the pot

And remember FREEDOM FRIES?

Freedom fries is a political euphemism for French fries in the United States. The term came to prominence in 2003 when the then Republican Chairman of the Committee on House Administration, Bob Ney, renamed the menu item in three Congressional cafeterias in response to France's opposition to the proposed invasion of Iraq. Although originally supported with several restaurants changing their menus as well, following declining support for the Iraq War, the term fell out of use.

I have several friends in France  one is a Berber girl (Samira) now converted Muslim. France offered Moroccans asylum and they let in several thousand Moroccans... problem is they were treated like second class citizens and there were no jobs available to young Moroccans

Samira on the left   with my Elf Endrina  :D


petrus4

Quote from: Glaucon on January 12, 2015, 12:33:42 PM
Frankly, i don't care if the French needed a little kick in the ass, fake or not....it's about time everybody realize its time to pick a side.

If I didn't think that most of these incidents were false flags, committed by the American government themselves, I might agree with that.  Of all the false bogeymen that Uncle Sam has ever held up for us, Islam is by far the most tempting to unrestrainedly hate.  Yet I try, though not always successfully, to resist that temptation.
"Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburgers."
        — Abbie Hoffman

zorgon

Wow!! Seriously?  The Illuminati Did It!!


French President: "The Illuminati Are Behind The Paris Attacks"

On the 9th January French President François Hollande gave a live speech on national television about the recent terror attacks in Paris.

During his speech he says that "the illuminati are behind the Paris attacks".

Watch the speech and hear the President of France declare who are really behind the Paris terror attacks

- See more at: http://yournewswire.com/french-president-the-illuminati-are-behind-the-paris-attacks/#sthash.0RlOwuxw.dpuf






http://yournewswire.com/french-president-the-illuminati-are-behind-the-paris-attacks/

burntheships

The Illuminati and The Muslim Brotherhood go waaaaayyy back.
So that may be more true than anyone would care to admit.

Dusting off my long previous research now.....

"This is the Documentary Channel"
- Zorgon

zorgon

Quote from: burntheships on January 13, 2015, 04:50:09 AM
The Illuminati and The Muslim Brotherhood go waaaaayyy back.

Yeah Waaaaaaaayyyyyyy back  Long before America was even an idea  so

IT'S NOT OUR FAULT :P

burntheships

"This is the Documentary Channel"
- Zorgon

ArMaP

Quote from: zorgon on January 13, 2015, 04:03:38 AM
During his speech he says that "the illuminati are behind the Paris attacks".

Watch the speech and hear the President of France declare who are really behind the Paris terror attacks

- See more at: http://yournewswire.com/french-president-the-illuminati-are-behind-the-paris-attacks/#sthash.0RlOwuxw.dpuf[/color]





http://yournewswire.com/french-president-the-illuminati-are-behind-the-paris-attacks/
He didn't, he said "ces illuminés".

This is the definition of "illuminé", from the French dictionary Larousse:

QuotePersonne dénuée d'esprit critique, qui soutient une doctrine avec une foi aveugle, un zèle fanatique.
Visionnaire en matière religieuse.
Membre de sectes religieuses qui, à l'époque moderne (XVIe-XVIIIe s.), se disait éclairé directement par Dieu, sans le secours des sacrements. (On cite particulièrement les illuminés d'Espagne [alumbrados].)
Grade suprême de l'ordre ancien de la Rose-Croix.
Synonyme de illuministe.

Which can be translated as:
QuoteUncritical person, that supports a doctrine with blind faith or a fanatical zeal.
Visionary in religious matters.
Member of religious sects that, in modern times (XVI-XVIII c.), said they were informed by God, without the help of the sacraments. (Especially the Spanish [alumbrados].)
Highest rank of the old order of the Rosicrucians.
Synonymous of enlightened.