The Environmental Protection Agency Wants to Kill Your Grandma

[zorgon]

global warming may be a hoax  but global change is not..

LOL that was sarcasm Global warming is real enough  what is false is that mankind or cow farts cause it

it isn't that it is bad

it just is

Depends on where you live when the ice creeps back down. Global warming melts ice, decreases the salinity of the oceans which triggers mega storms which trigger the next ice age


Ice Core samples like tree rings neither lie nor have a political agenda

[RUSSO]

Global warming is real enough  what is false is that mankind or cow farts cause it

[space otter]

that was sarcasm


ohhhhh..I missed that....I thought we were just hung up on labels



Depends on where you live when the ice creeps back down


well if you haven't got a good spot yet.. you're running late to find  one

[RUSSO]

Oh no... that was not sarcasm.

I really do think the sun may be the cause. Its MY opinion.

March 12, 2007 03:27am ET

yes i know... its from 2007... but hey... time is relative does not it?

"Man-made greenhouse warming has [made a] small contribution [to] the warming on Earth in recent years, but [it] cannot compete with the increase in solar irradiance," Abdussamatov told LiveScience in an email interview last week. "The considerable heating and cooling on the Earth and on Mars always will be practically parallel."

Earth is heating up lately, but so are Mars, Pluto and other worlds in our solar system, leading some scientists to speculate that a change in the sun's activity is the common thread linking all these baking events.

Others argue that such claims are misleading and create the false impression that rapid global warming, as Earth is experiencing, is a natural phenomenon.

While evidence suggests fluctuations in solar activity can affect climate on Earth, and that it has done so in the past, the majority of climate scientists and astrophysicists agree that the sun is not to blame for the current and historically sudden uptick in global temperatures on Earth, which seems to be mostly a mess created by our own species.

http://www.livescience.com/1349-sun-blamed-warming-earth-worlds.html

You will find other kinds of opinion about the issue in the same link i posted. I just disagree.

Again i respect your opinion about it... Maybe its not the sun... maybe its cows, my car or me.

[space otter]

yeah.. all the planets are doing it

like I said    evil lu tion


bwhahahahahahahaha

[zorgon]

like I said    evil lu tion

Want some evil lu tion?

Prof at U of T did studies found that Black Man is decended from Apes... has the proof  they both have an extra Vertabrae...

Hmmm  welll he published... got in hot water for such a politcally wrong comment and was kicked out of the University


Well the Prof called the Lawyers  Lawyers showed he had the proof of his claims, Univ. had to hire him back

It was in all the papers back then but shortly after it went silent. Toronto news was good for that LOL  Suicides in the subway are never reported either... might give people an idea

So Blacks are from apes, whites are from aliens, Chinese? Not sure yet



IF evil lu tion  is true... then it follows that evil lu tion is STILL GOING ON  If it isn't then evil lu tion is a lie

IF evil lu tion is true  why are there still monkeys?

IF evil lu tion is true  how did Neanderthal and Cro Magnan both appear at aboyt the same time?

And what about OTZI?


I want to KNOW 

[space otter]

sometimes  a typo will make my day....this one did


got in hot water for such a politcally wrong comment and was licked out of the University



wonder if the hot water was salty

bwhahahahahahahahahahaha            





ok here's my take on evil lu tion.... it's just another word for C H A N G E

and in our current world.. it just may equate to chump change

[astr0144]

Apologies for not responding in any details yet  to what seem some interesting comments ...Hope to try and do so when I find the right time to read them in more detail and give it some concentrated thought..rather than just reply too briefly .
Some comments may be answers to some things that I tried to indicate where I could not conclude the details or data that the video tried to suggest...

I did partly happen to watch another Jessie Ventura "Conspiracy Theory " program over the weekend which coincidentally was on Global Warming..Some of the things he covered may have made the viewers consider some of the views that I think he was leaning towards..which somethings could be correct...

Then as I was looking for a youtube video of the program to post..I could not find a copy of the full version...but I came across
these two videos that someone has analysed and made their thoughts on the things that the Program showed...

So this may offer some other thoughts to compare that maybe some viewers would not have either known about or not considered.



REBUTTAL to Jesse Ventura's DISINFORMATIVE Conspiracy Theory Documentary.
I used to like Jesse Ventura, but now he's just become an utter douchebag. I can't take anyone seriously that doesn't do honest investigative research. It's what scientists do, try to be unbiased and objective. He clearly sets out with an idea he wants to be true, and picks and chooses those that will tell him what he wants to hear so he can be validated. This is so unethical in the science world, it's just deceitful and wrong.



Climate Change NOT a Hoax.
This video clearly points out the common, deceitful myths that Deniers often use.
 

Thanks again for the responses and comments made..

I have to ask Thor about his post...certainly very thought provoking...and has ref to many things discussed on PRC in the past....But I did not know his father had connections with Wendelle Stevens...

Have you mentioned about this before in any threads...
If Not I suspect some members would be interested in maybe knowing a bit more about what your father did and what things that he may have been involved in or any things that you think he may have known with ref to Wendelle Stevens and the UFO / ET connection if he had any connection to it back then.

Full Disclosure: It appears that Wendelle Stevens was a friend of my father. As I was raised primarily on the farm in Colorado, and Wing's office and primary location was in Los Angeles, I seem to have missed meeting many of Father's contemporaries.

[thorfourwinds]

I have to ask Thor about his post...certainly very thought provoking...and has ref to many things discussed on PRC in the past....But I did not know his father had connections with Wendelle Stevens...

Greetings:

Thank you for your time and consideration, astro0144.

Wendelle Stevens was a big fan of , which my father published until his passing to spirit, and RAP (Ray Palmer) became involved in carrying on the publishing with the 'green edition.'

Wing Anderson purchased the 1881 "second edition" (third version) plates from Dr. Newbrough's daughter about 1930, and it was from these that he published the "blue cover" editions of Oahspe (no longer in print). The 1891 Oahspe is still available in the English edition, in a smaller, handy size.

After a fifteen year search to find a copy of it, in 1960 Ray Palmer reprinted the 1882 Oahspe, which made this oldest edition available for the first time since the 1880's. Marjorie Palmer's Amherst Press continues to publish this Oahspe, which is the current American "green cover" edition.

For those not familiar with Ray Palmer:

Raymond A. Palmer (RAP for short) was a true pioneer, one of the most important individuals in the field of eso-terica and arcane knowledge of the last 100 years. He was the editor of Amazing Stories, a futuristic sci fi magazine published in the mid 1940s which presented the fantastic stories of Richard Shaver and his subterranean worlds. Palmer was also one of the founders of FATE magazine and later started his own publishing empire with such titles as Mystic, Search, Forum and Space World.

He also issued reprints of hard to find works. For a while he possessed the only copy of a first edition of OAHSPE and issued 2000 copies in a private edition even at a financial loss just to get the word out about this amazing book which was one of his all time favorites.

Said Palmer about OAHSPE: OAHSPE cannot be attacked as an expurgated and perverted book and summarily dismissed. In the light of present day science, the Book of Cosmology alone is evidence of a superior fore-knowledge that stands as a sturdy sentinel over the doctrinal portions. And in the light of present day anthropology and archaeology, its historical portions stand as remarkable evidence of that same superior fore-knowledge. OAHSPE is truly a gateway to understanding.

This in addition to the fact that Ray Palmer charged us with great enthusiasm in our earliest work and provided our first forums by way of columns in both Search and Flying Saucers magazine.

BTW, we learned to set cold type way back when on the farm and became quite proficient on the AddressoGraph.   

Have you mentioned about this before in any threads...

Not really. I may have dropped a couple of hints and links to Oahspe, but you are the first one to take any notice here.

If Not I suspect some members would be interested in maybe knowing a bit more about what your father did and what things that he may have been involved in or any things that you think he may have known with ref to Wendelle Stevens and the UFO / ET connection if he had any connection to it back then.

Thank you for that positive thought, but that may be doubtful, considering the 'interest' shown here at the Holiday Season.       We were sharing the Anonymous message of Brotherly Love and Hope during the Christmas Holi-Days - our attempt to help those less fortunate among us... and thought this was a no-brainer, figuring the aware peeps at Pegasus would embrace the chance to do good...fat chance at that.   

However, those members bothering to 'participate' attacked me, the messenger - and ALL refused to respond to the issue at hand - helping our brothers and sisters - and needlessly delighted in attacking yours truly because of their idea that a few morons that they do not agree with represent Anonymous as a whole.     

Again, for the record, We align ourselves with positive operatives and operations within Anonymous, and those are easily identified within our posts... we're not selling anything, merely trying to help.

However, as a more direct answer to your question, there is in the works an interesting abduction story (and book in the making), interviewed first-hand, involving another of Father's acquaintances, , and the Giant Rock UFO.

In fact, we will initiate a thread forthwith so as not to derail this fine epistle.   

tfw
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Liberty & Equality or Revolution

Hec'el oinipikte  (that we shall live)

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telling the truth is considered a revolutionary act."
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[astr0144]

Hi Thor,

Since our prior posts, I got a bit distracted with a few personal things as well as looking into the last few days update on A51s & 1967 Saunders Bob Lazar /  UFO updates..

I have now started to look in more detail into your replies in relation to the two threads that I started that seem to have some coincidental connections ..and on by behalf that was just chance...I had not actually read some of the posts in enough detail to connect them...but now having took time to look at them again...I am a bit surprised how they link together ..but also with ref to your replies to them.

This is the other thread that relates to some of the things that you replied to on this thread..

A Time Machine in the Mojave Desert

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=7908.msg110057#msg110057


Upon rereading this reply by you on this thread..

I so far have found some of your writings very interesting and thought provoking..

I am aware of various parts to the description with ref to your father and his connections..and about  Wendelle Stevens description about ETs working with German Scientists since 1929..

I thought that description does seem to match a lot of the various things that we had researched on PRC and MAY tie much of it together as a possible full explanation.....

I note some of your other references as well..Oahspe which seems like another view on ones view on life and respect your views and desire to help the Homeless etc..

Some may not understand how some people end up that way, but there are many who can do so for numerous reasons and it could happen to any of us..

If any of us were to fall ill or loose our mental capacity..we would have little ability to control our own destiny..

I am still only part way through looking into this so far...and hope to continue with my research on it...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=7789.msg108942#msg108942

Full Disclosure: It appears that Wendelle Stevens was a friend of my father. As I was raised primarily on the farm in Colorado, and Wing's office and primary location was in Los Angeles, I seem to have missed meeting many of Father's contemporaries.

The discerning student may be interested in the following.

The transformation in technology started early.

Evidence from the lectures of Wendelle Stevens and others has convinced me that aliens worked with German scientists as early as 1929 to assist humans in developing anti-gravity systems.  This was done, presumably, to help us minimize the polluting aspects of fossil fuels when we started carrying passengers in airplanes.

I am not sure if I should continue my comments in this thread or the time travel related one..for my future related posts..Will think about it hopefully in my next replies...

[Pimander]

Astro/Thor

Do you know who Shaver was (RE: Ray Palmer)?

[astr0144]

Not until I found this on a google search..


Richard Sharpe Shaver was a controversial UFO storyteller promoted by Ray Palmer

http://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/richard-sharpe-shaver.htm

Astro/Thor

Do you know who Shaver was (RE: Ray Palmer)?

I think some other things that we were discussing either on this or another thread have been moved to another thread that Zorgon did create and at one point that I could see...Now that also seems to have disappeared....Hopefully its just something that he is amending or has amended and we will find it again soon...

Oh, I just found the thread that "Z" created that  did have  posts that were either on this or my other similar thread...

Aldebaran Mystery 2 - Nazi Ufo Secrets Discussion

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=7946.0

[Pimander]

http://www.philipcoppens.com/maury_isle.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Crisman

http://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/george-adamski.htm

http://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/howard-menger.htm

[thorfourwinds]

Greetings:

One does realize who the writers are at "How Stuff Works," right?   

Pimander, thank you for posting that sanitized list from "HSW"... this one is the whole enchilada.   

John Lear was a spinner of nightmarish conspiracy theories concerning UFOs.
UFO Magazine

In recent years new and even wilder strains of paranoia have sprouted along ufology's fringes.

Inspiration comes not just from UFO rumors but from conspiracy theories associated with the far right end of the political spectrum. The two major figures in what has been called the "dark side movement" are John Lear, a pilot who once flew aircraft for a CIA-linked company, and Milton William Cooper, a retired Navy petty officer.

According to dark siders, a ruthless "secret government" controls the world. Among other nefarious activities, it runs the international drug trade and has unleashed AIDS and other deadly diseases as population-reducing measures. Its ultimate goal is to turn the Earth and surrounding planets into slave-labor camps. For some time this secret government has been in contact with alien races, allowing the aliens to abduct human beings in exchange for advanced alien technology.

The aliens, known as the "grays" (because of their gray skin color), do more than abduct human beings. They mutilate and eat them as well, using the body parts to rejuvenate themselves.

The secret government and the aliens labor together in vast underground bases in New Mexico and Nevada, where they collect human and animal organs, drop them into a chemical soup, and manufacture soulless android creatures.

These androids, who are then unleashed to do dirty work for the government/alien conspiracy, are best known to the rest of us as the men in black.With each retelling, with the appearance of each new and expensive book, video, or tape, the dark-side story gets crazier.

In one version the conspirators travel into the future to observe the emergence of the anti-Christ in the 1990s, World War III in 1999, and the Second Coming of Christ in 2011. George Bush oversees the world's drug traffic.

The secret government has maintained bases on Mars since the early 1960s. The conspirators employ drugs and hypnosis to turn mentally unstable individuals into mass murderers of schoolchildren and other innocents; the purpose is to spur anti-gun sentiment, resulting in gun-control legislation.

Thus, Americans will be disarmed and defenseless when the secret government's storm troopers round them up and herd them into concentration camps.

A small army of fervent believers all around the world has embraced these monstrous yarns, for which-no rational reader will be surprised to learn-not a shred of supporting evidence exists. The true sources of these lurid tales are not hard to find: They are a hodgepodge of elements patched together from saucer folklore, extremist political literature, and a 1977 British mock-documentary, Alternative 3.

The purpose of this show was to satirize popular credulity and paranoia. Unfortunately, some remain convinced the show was sober fact, ironically serving only to give rise to fresh varieties of mass gullibility and fear.


Still want to use them as your 'debunking' source?   

This is the cover of my rebelmouse account...

[Pimander]

Still want to use them as your 'debunking' source?

I hope you aren't trying to say Adamski and Menger were not hoaxers.  NOW THAT WOULD BE FUNNY! 

When I do my own research I don't rely on any one source - not even John Lear.


ETA: Astro, I have a LOT MORE if you really still haven't realised.  There are UFOs but you find compelling evidence of ETs on Earth then let me know.