What percentage of the population would oppose this if Govt tried to enforce it.

[astr0144]

What percentage of the population would oppose this if Govt tried to enforce it ?, I wonder.

Vaccinate or Go To Jail  !

This scenerio would be one of the biggest fears to the World Population if Govt's tried to convince the masses that they need to take vaccines if there is truth that many are bad  or death sentences for us !...

The other issue is what to think if there is a time when vaccines may be a viable solution that every now and again I suspect may be the only option...

How often I wonder is that likely to be the case and I wonder how that compares to ones that we have been given in our past.

The Majority of us have put our faith and trust in the  Science and medical establishment and Govt..and for many thing still and will do.We have since become aware that it seems we have been deceived on many things since the Internet Revolution has exposed so many things..

Who today do we put our trust in ? Who is telling us lies , who is telling us the truth.... How do we decide

Who do we trust ?


OF Course if they can consider sending Mosquito drones to obtain our DNA... we can imagine that they could just as easily send them around to do other things as well.

No need to spell it out !



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Biggs challenges USA TODAY opinion columnist Alex Berezow to a debate regarding the efficacy of flu and measles vaccines. Berezow recently penned a piece calling for parents who refuse to vaccinate their children to be thrown in jail.

[ArMaP]

This scenerio would be one of the biggest fears to the World Population if Govt's tried to convince the masses that they need to take vaccines if there is truth that many are bad  or death sentences for us !...

World population? That's not a problem in most of the world.

[space otter]

who needs  drones..by the time the old folk have passed everyone will already be cataloged





Bush Signs Bill To Take All Newborns' DNA
Health Council, Congressman Ron Paul warn new law could pave the way for a national DNA database 
     Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Friday, May 2, 2008
http://infowars.net/articles/may2008/020507DNA.htm



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The government has your baby's DNA

By Elizabeth Cohen, CNN Senior Medical Correspondent
February 4, 2010 9:11 a.m. EST

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/04/baby.dna.government/

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The Government Has Your DNA

Even more insidious than the government mandated storage of your child's DNA is just how they might and can use it.  In the criminal pursuit of Dennis Rader, they caught him by using his daughter's DNA without her consent:

http://www.surlytrader.com/the-government-has-your-dna/


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https://www.aclu.org/free-speech-technology-and-liberty-womens-rights/newborn-dna-banking
Newborn DNA Banking

The DNA of virtually every newborn in the United States is collected and tested soon after birth. There are some good reasons for this testing, but it also raises serious privacy concerns that parents should know about.

States require hospitals to screen newborns for certain genetic and other disorders. Many states view the testing as so important they do not require medical personnel to get parents' express permission before carrying it out. To collect the DNA sample, medical personnel prick the newborn's heel and place a few drops of blood on a card. There is one question that new parents rarely ask: What happens to the blood spots after the testing is done? This is where newborn screening becomes problematic.

It used to be that after the screening was completed the blood spots were destroyed. Not anymore. Today it is increasingly common for states to hold onto these samples for years, even permanently. Some states also use the samples for unrelated purposes, such as in scientific research, and give access to the samples to others.

The ACLU believes that parents have the right to know before the state stores their child's blood and allows it to be used by researchers and others. The ACLU also believes that parents have the right to decide whether to allow their child's blood to be used in this way. We are working to make sure that every parent is given the opportunity to make these important decisions for their child, and is given enough information to make an educated decision.

>> Read our comments on this issue to the Secretary's Advisory Committee on Heritable Disorders in Newborns and Children

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http://genes-r-us.uthscsa.edu/

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DNA Sampling, Crime Investigation and Your Rights
POSTED IN Criminal Law Process BY Susan M. Brazas for Lawyers.com

A federal court recently upheld the federal law allowing officials to take DNA samples from every person entering the federal criminal justice system. The data obtained from the DNA sample may also be kept in a government database - forever.

This applies even to persons who are never convicted of any crime. Many states have similar databases. Laws vary, but usually a DNA sample will be taken from every person arrested for a felony offense.
http://criminal.lawyers.com/criminal-law-basics/dna-sampling-crime-investigation-and-your-rights.html

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Do cops have a right to your DNA?

Federal court to hear pivotal DNA collection case

In some states, police collect DNA from all arrestees and store it indefinitely in a DNA database.

Posted on November 19, 2013 by Guest in Analysis


All 50 states and the federal government take samples of DNA from anyone convicted of a felony.  But in recent years, many states have passed laws allowing police to take DNA samples at arrest – before a suspect is charged with a crime, much less found guilty – and enter them into state-level databases along with the national DNA database run by the FBI.

Though the state-level laws vary in terms of how long the DNA evidence can be kept – some, like California, allow it to be kept permanently, while other states require the information to be deleted if a suspect is not charged or found innocent – they all raise concerns about privacy and due process, since an individual's DNA can be taken without consent or judicial approval.

"Now my genetic information is stored indefinitely in a government database, simply because I was exercising my right to speak out," Haskell, now a plaintiff in a legal challenge to the California law, said in a statement.


http://www.policestateusa.com/2013/cops-right-dna-federal-court-hear-pivotal-dna-collection-case/




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[astr0144]

Yes I thought that they would have been taking new borns DNA for or since the time that they discovered or fully understood DNA..

Without reading or checking I cant recall since when that maybe in terms of them wanting to monitor or take it. Probably since the 1970s to 80s onwards at a guess...even though its been discovered well before..

History of DNA research

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA

But for the likes of those maybe in their 30s to 40s onwards.. thats still a lot of people who would hope to at least live another 30 to 40 yrs....

Is there a reason why they may want it rather promptly I wonder !  and why if they can or may want to  get rid of us anyway !

who needs  drones..by the time the old folk have passed everyone will already be cataloged

Added this...

They started using DNA testing in 1985....so maybe starting taking newborns after this I would think..

Since the advent of DNA testing in 1985, biological material (skin, hair, blood and other bodily fluids) has emerged as the most reliable physical evidence at a crime scene, particularly those involving sexual assaults.

http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1905706,00.html

[astr0144]

A Brief History of DNA Testing.








http://www.newenglandinnocence.org/knowledge-center/resources/dna/

[zorgon]

Having a DNA record on everyone is no more obtrusive than having everyone's fingerprints on file

As long as it is used the same way we use fingerprints there is no problem.  I have been finger printed by the RCMP, Interpol, FBI 20 local police dept.s (security job related) and most recently by the DHS (green card)

It has not caused me any problems and in fact since my record is CLEAN  squeaky clean it has been an advantage

Forced vaccination or jail?  Come try it LOL  but DNA sampling does not sound like a Boogeyman to me

Now if someone is going to ABUSE the data to their own ends  that is a different matter. But then today DNA can be faked so if they want your ass  they will get it anyway


I had to laugh over the Obama birth certificate issue.  People made such a fuss but think about it for a minute

The CIA can make 100% foolproof complete identity sets for their spies, why could they not have just made a birth certificate in a matter of minutes and  inserted it into the records?

They can do this for any under cover agent  create whole new identities on record in a matter of hours

Conversely they can 'burn' you just as fast.  Some newspaper articles in another state showing you keft because your a pedophile,  your bank accounts nysteriously erases, some outstanding warrants suddenly appear on your record

So the point is IF you become a target, it doesn't matter your toast.

[astr0144]

I MAY agree that if they took samples of DNA for positive beneficial reasons that may  seem acceptable...

With fingerprints maybe that is something that they now take as standard in the USA from everyone since 9/11..at least if you require certain things.

They take fingerprint and Iris scans now for anyone entering the country...and did so in some cases without giving much prior or any warning to visitors...which for those not warned... this became a big surprise ! and some may regret the way they went about it..

The Fact that Government would be involved in taking DNA samples...(For those who believe they are corrupt) that does raise many concerns... but the whole world seems to be ran by such people, so it seems very hard to get around...

What could they do with such Information   ? and what else other than crime or medical related reasons may they want it I wonder !.

! agree about your comments about Obama's birth certificate...
Yes I am sure that they could have made one look 100 % genuine...and in that case it may make us question about Alex Jones video that suggests it is fake...BUT maybe they just did not expect that it would ever be questioned if it had been created and never changed or updated...

so that's a bit of a mystery to me...

I had to laugh over the Obama birth certificate issue.  People made such a fuss but think about it for a minute

The CIA can make 100% foolproof complete identity sets for their spies, why could they not have just made a birth certificate in a matter of minutes and  inserted it into the records?

They can do this for any under cover agent  create whole new identities on record in a matter of hours

A most terrifying thought that this sort of thing can or could  happen to any of us ! 

How we realize just how vulnerable anyone can become ..!

It can be bad enough just in normal life being accused of this or that lies, but if the enforcer / authorities bring it on... then unless one has super abilities, some sort of luck or a miracle it seems we would all be at mercy...

Conversely they can 'burn' you just as fast.  Some newspaper articles in another state showing you keft because your a pedophile,  your bank accounts nysteriously erases, some outstanding warrants suddenly appear on your record

So the point is IF you become a target, it doesn't matter your toast.

[space otter]

ah hem

correction

not

How we realize just how vulnerable anyone can become ..!


this


we realize just how vulnerable evernyone has become ..!

[astr0144]

Measles continues to spread as scientists urge parents to vaccinate children.


http://news.yahoo.com/measles-continues-to-spread-as-scientists-urge-parents-to-vaccinate-children-194701325.html

[Wrabbit2000]

I tend to lean toward DNA records being a good idea if, as others have pointed out, they are used that way. Identification. Like the fingerprint databases which I'm a part of through a lot of voluntary checks and a couple which weren't. lol... If simply used for ID checking, it would eventually make crime a thing of the past, too. Transference happens in all interaction to some degree, or isn't that how the science goes? So as detection advances along side the time it takes to make the master DNA-Base, even petty crime would give a 'ding ding' at the scene for "who-dunnit", let alone a messy thing like violent crime.

Then again, it never stays just one thing and this Government would be quick to "save us from ourselves" in looking deeper in our DNA for things that are bad for us. The thing is.. My kid is 14, and he got blood taken when he was born in Oregon. A little stick to the foot and a bit taken away. So at some level, such a database likely already exists far beyond anything law enforcement is aware of.

On Vaccines? I got my MMR and Booster, and I'm no genius but I have nothing to be ashamed of in how testing has shown such things over the years, either. Cause and effect is real questionable when as many have nothing as have possibly connected bad outcomes. On the other hand? What I got shot with as a wee-tyke in the 1970's is NOT the cocktail kids get shot with today. Maybe a full reevaluation of WHAT is vaccinated and the need for each element, 1 by 1, is called for. At the least? (something about Pharma- picking up immunity in vaccine production many years ago rings bells to correct, too)

I'm not sure what the number was on current things a kid gets hit with for vaccination but I do recall being shocked by how high it was compared to my generation.

[zorgon]

A New Office  LOL

1) DNA  there are obviously mant good points for having a DNA database.. Locating missing kids, (and adults), Identifying people in accidents that have no ID at the time, catching criminals, proof of parenthood in court cases...

....  but what BAD things could come of them having such a record? How could they use it against us? (Assuming your a normal law abiding citizen just going on about your own business)


2) Vaccination. There is no doubt that vaccination does cure and prevent certain illnesses. Mandatory  vaccination has been around a long time   Polio, Measles etc


So in this case we are stuck with a dilemma   Would you send your kids to school with a kid that didn't get his shot and has the disease?  People do not use common sense (what ever that is) and stay home when they are ill.  You have the flu, well you drag yourself to work and cough and sneeze and spew all over your fellow workers and spread the germs



This is the reason the government feels the need to prick you

The problem is not so much the vaccinations but the TRUST

do we trust that the pharmaceutical companies have ensured the injection is safe?
do we trust the government not to inject a chip at the same time?
do we trust that there are not toxins in the injections?
do we trust that the cure won't kill us instead?

We have lost that trust... so we rebel... so they step it up and threaten jail time

What is really hilarious to me is that women who rebel against vaccination will go and have BOTOX injections willingly and pay big bucks for it  BOTOX is Botulinum toxin or Botulism

The problem is drugs  any drugs work on different people in different ways  Penicillin is a boon to mankind and has saved countless lives but a small percentage of people will die if they use it.

This is why drug ads on TV have such long list of possible side effects

[astr0144]

States Move For Tougher Vaccine Rules As Measles Epidemic Grows


I am not sure if having to take or accept any particular vaccine is by Law in the USA or modern world...such as All Children may have to be given them when young or most Parents agree to allowing their children to be given them in their early or school years.

Or maybe as the Children are too young to make their own decisions its all down to their parents to give consent.

If it was not compulsory by law, it may become so in some states in the USA according to the article below at least for the measles vaccine...

Several U.S. states are considering laws to make it harder for parents to legally opt out of vaccinating their children, as health officials fight a measles outbreak that has sickened some 120 people in more than a dozen mostly West Coast states

Alex Jones seems to suggest that he has not allowed himself or his children to be vaccinated when he keeps talking about the dangers behind them...

But I think this articles suggests that it is law that we have to be vaccinated for some things...

All U.S. states require certain vaccines for students for diseases such as mumps, rubella, tetanus, or polio, but school immunization laws grant exemptions to children for medical reasons, including an inhibited immune system. At least 20 states extend exemptions to include a range of personal beliefs, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

https://www.yahoo.com/health/states-move-for-tougher-vaccine-exemptions-as-110249980202.html

[astr0144]

Measles Vaccine Kills More People Than The Disease.

I dont know where Alex Jones gets his information from, but he claims that Measles vaccines kills more people than the disease itself..

What I am not sure about with his approach would be if there was a serious epidemic...and he says for people not to take what ever vaccine was recommended to control the spread of it...if he himself would not take the vaccine...but caught the disease himself...where he could also spread it...

At sometime I suspect this situation could and will occur in his lifetime..or anyone else's who took his approach..

but now being made aware that vaccines can be so dangerous..it makes it very hard to decide what one would do  when something serious like that would happen..

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Since 2005 the measles vaccine has killed over 100 people while the disease has killed none. It makes you question what other statistics are there on the multitude of vaccines being pushed on society today,how many deaths per vaccine vs the deaths by the disease itself.

[zorgon]

Measles Vaccine Kills More People Than The Disease.

I dont know where Alex Jones gets his information from, but he claims that Measles vaccines kills more people than the disease itself..

He gets his information from the internet    He cherry picks topics that are on peoples mind

Measles Vaccine Kills More People Than The Disease.

Is this true? Is it a hoax? Where are the figures? Did you even Google it?  There is all kinds of material out there on both sides of the story

From Global Research
Evidence Emerges that Measles Outbreaks Are Deliberately Encouraged by Big Pharma to Ignite Vaccine Hysteria
http://www.globalresearch.ca/evidence-emerges-that-measles-outbreaks-are-deliberately-encouraged-by-big-pharma-to-ignite-vaccine-hysteria/5429853

What I am not sure about with his approach would be if there was a serious epidemic...and he says for people not to take what ever vaccine was recommended to control the spread of it...if he himself would not take the vaccine...but caught the disease himself...where he could also spread it...

Measles has been known for decades and has been prevented with vaccination  It was mandatory when I was a kid in Canada.  Same with Polio. If you don'y choose to vaccinate and your kid spreads it in school  does that make you a terrorist?

If you get Aids and deliberately make contact with other to infect them... should I not have you shot?

At sometime I suspect this situation could and will occur in his lifetime..or anyone else's who took his approach..

Most likely sooner than later

but now being made aware that vaccines can be so dangerous..it makes it very hard to decide what one would do  when something serious like that would happen..

Therin lies the problem

When I was growing up there was no question about taking the shots There was no reason to mistrust. You took your shots  you didn't get sick

Flu shots been around for decades  Sure they don't work for everyone. That is why drugs today have all those warnings  because some people are alergic to that compound  Like Penicillan (bread mold) Without that drug millions would have died  but it kills a few people who are allergic to it  So should we stop using it? Some would say yes

Now the pharmaceutical companies want to sell the drugs  no question big profits  but if their drug kills people  who long does the company make profits? I am talking beyond 'colateral damage' If a drug kills or infect the majority the law suits and backlash would soon kill that company

So does it make sense they would commit suicide?

So the WHO profits by scaring the crap out of people into NOT taking the shots?

THAT is where you need to look

   

Since 2005 the measles vaccine has killed over 100 people while the disease has killed none. It makes you question what other statistics are there on the multitude of vaccines being pushed on society today,how many deaths per vaccine vs the deaths by the disease itself.

Where did these figures come from? A youtube video? Can you back them up with real data?

Well here are some stats to chew on

As many as one out of every 20 children with measles gets pneumonia, the most common cause of death from measles in young children.
About one child out of every 1,000 who get measles will develop encephalitis (swelling of the brain) that can lead to convulsions and can leave the child deaf or mentally retarded.
For every 1,000 children who get measles, one or two will die from it.

Source (Argentina not USA)
Barrero PR, Grippo J, Viegas M, Mistchenko AS. Wild-type Measles Virus in Brain Tissue of Children with Subacute Sclerosing Panencephalitis, Argentina. Emerg Infect Dis. 2003; 9:1333-1336.

Well measles won't kill you?  But heck  your kids will be fine



Third world countries it is still epidemic while it was almost wiped out here  but with the ease of international travel even the Plague is making a comeback

[zorgon]

CDC Ties Measles Outbreak To Foreign Origin

The measles outbreak that started in Disney's California theme parks appears to be from an international source.

From NBC News:

An outbreak of measles that started in California's Disneyland probably came from overseas, carried either by a foreign tourist or by an American coming back with the virus, a top federal health official said Thursday.

The virus has now infected 94 people in eight states, and 67 can be clearly linked to Disneyland, California health officials report. Because measles are so contagious, more cases can be expected.

"We don't know exactly how this outbreak started but we do think it was likely a person infected with measles overseas," Dr. Anne Schuchat of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention told reporters.

"We assume that someone got infected with measles overseas, visited Disneyland park, and spread the disease to others."

While not mentioned in the story, it's possible the source of the measles virus was from an illegal immigrant.

http://deneenborelli.com/2015/01/cdc-ties-measles-outbreak-foreign-origin/