NASA Say: Need to Solve Radiation Belt Problem

[zorgon]

NASA Say: Need to Solve Radiation Belt Problem

Say WHAT?   listen at:3:26

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Better save that before it gets deleted!

[zorgon]

Good point!!!

[Pimander]

I have some material from NASA's education outreach showing how astronauts might be able to survive the radiation on a lunar base.  I'll pull it out later when I get some time free but you need more than an Apollo module. 

[Lunica]

Hey this is funny.

I recalled tho see this vid before on "the other site"

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1044367/pg1

Its in the HOAX section 

ok?

[ArMaP]

I will repeat my answer from the first time this video was posted on PRC, back in November (here, and it wasn't deleted since then).

I think they are talking about that particular ship, as they started by saying that the radiation in the Van Allen Belts is dangerous for the electronics, and that's true, today's electronics are much more sensitive than what was used in the 1960s, and I think today's ships, with the electronics fried by radiation, may not be that easy to fly.

[spacemaverick]

Interesting that they went back to capsule design....

[zorgon]

Its in the HOAX section 

That is typical ATS BULLSH!T tactics

The video is NOT a hoax  its from NASA
What he said is not a HOAX even if open to interpretation

So why is it buried in the HOAX bin> No wonder ATS is becoming the TOILET of the conspiracy sites (sorry Springer )

The first reply from some Ego thumping debunker turns the thread away from the wuestion. Always the tactic of a true debunker Don't answer the direct question, but derail and send the focus elsewhere. Then get a mod to bury it in the dust bin soon to be forgotten  never to see the light of day

"whew... avoided another one"

[zorgon]

Never got an answer why Cliff Stone, ATS poster boy of FOIA documents was suddenly booted

I tried posting Pegasus documents REAL documents with link to actual .gov or .mil source  I did 6  all 6 were quickly dumped into skunkworks

After that I said screw them and never shared anymore

I have thousands such files here  but not much point doing all the work for nothing

[spacemaverick]

Okay, I'm the dummy here.  I know of the Van Allen belts...what type of radiation are they...electromagnetic or what?  Maybe I need to use Google more or it is probably on Living Moon...

[ArMaP]

Okay, I'm the dummy here.  I know of the Van Allen belts...what type of radiation are they...electromagnetic or what?  Maybe I need to use Google more or it is probably on Living Moon...

They are made from charged particles that are kept at those areas (usually two) by the magnetic field, so yes, it's electromagnetic radiation but also particle radiation.

[spacemaverick]

Energetic charged particles it says...ie...plasma.....I worked on metal shelters here in Florida that kept electromagnetic signals from getting in or out of a shelter...a large Faraday cage if you will...same thing or not?

[spacemaverick]

So essentially you need a flying Faraday cage so the particles don't get in...right?

[Pimander]

Okay, I'm the dummy here.  I know of the Van Allen belts...what type of radiation are they...electromagnetic or what?  Maybe I need to use Google more or it is probably on Living Moon...

There are lots of high energy protons there.  I mean a lot.

High energy protons are used to treat cancer because they kill cells (apoptosis and necrosis).  The only reason the cancer treatment does not kill you is because the protons are directed at a certain area of the body but even then they can damage healthy cells.

Is it safe to travel through the belts?  As a molecular bioscientist, I wouldn't.  But you could fly out via the poles and there is no issue with this radiation.  Then you have to deal with a lot more....  See papers below.

PREPARATORY STUDY OF INVESTIGATIONS INTO BIOLOGICAL EFFECTS OF RADIATION

Spaceflight Radiation Health Program at JSC

Risk of Degenerative Tissue or Other Health Effects from Radiation Exposure
Janice L. Huff, Universities Space Research Association
Francis A. Cucinotta, NASA Johnson Space Center

Low energy proton beam induces tumor cell apoptosis through reactive oxygen species and activation of caspases

In the end you have to make up your own mind.  My opinion is that they do not yet have a solution to this problem which is the reason civilian deep space missions have not happened.

[zorgon]

One KNOWN thing about radiation..

Unless you sit near ground zero of an atomic bomb or go swimming in reactor coolent , the effects of radiation take a long time to show up

So I think the issue with the belts is strength of radiation vs time of exposure

Russians have gone back into the very hot Chernobyl building with minimal protection (See the documentary I have posted)  Some people are even immune to radiation

But If NASA says it can fry circuits surely it can fry cells too?   They tried robots at Chernobly  they burnt out fast so they sent in 500,000 humans wearing lead plates for very brief times instead

So humans are tougher than electronics but how many birth defects and deformities came later?

We just don't know  and that is the problem  And it seems NASA doesn't know either and that is the point

I don't give a damn about debunkers  they are fools that instantly believe that jet fuel melts steel buildings

I have a paper dates 1961 NASA declassified contractor report from GE that says they has shields (Probably where Roddenberry got the Enterprise's shields )

So as always we have strong evidence that supports both sides