Water has Memory

[zorgon]

Water has Memory

I know we did this somewhere before. One of the first articles I got from Bill Alred was on Water memory when he joined

Wave propagation: Writing  on Water
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/02articles/Allred001.html

But here is a very interesting video on just how much water does remember, Seems a good topic to explore

[space otter]

just a thought

water  is our conduit here on the planet.. maybe it's counterpoint in space is dark matter


do a search for Dr. Emoto for other water discussions



http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3999.msg54144#msg54144

General Discussion Area / Re: Cool Sound and Water Experiment!
« by thorfourwinds on March 23, 2013, 04:43:43 PM »



http://www.life-enthusiast.com/twilight/research_emoto.htm

http://www.masaru-emoto.net/english/water-crystal.html

[Norval]

Don't mess with what floats my boat, , , , 

[rdunk]

"Water has Memory" -  if this is actually the case....................Then what are the possibilities for water having "TERABYTES" of digital storage space per molecule of H2O??

So, how many molecules of water are in one mole of water (about .64 oz ) :

How many molecules are there in 1 mole of water?


Answer: (internet)
1 mole of water is 6.02x10 to the twenty third power in molecules!!!

Of course, a "long shot thought" relative to water being an even better solution for the worlds mass memory storage needs??!!

Could be a major reality when we think about it! Note, 65% +/- of the human body is what............WATER!!! So what?? Well, how does this body function so perfectly?? ..........Could it be that the water in our bodies plays a very big "memory part" in the gazillions of cellular memory functions that have to take place in every daily aspect of keeping our bodies alive and going?? If pooled water or hydrant water has memory, couldn't we simply KNOW that the water in our bodies also has MEMORY?? And just think about the possible memory we might have within our bodies, with each .64 of an ounce of water having 6.02x10 to the 23rd power number of molecules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is a huge huge number!!

Just think, every drop of drinking water we add to our bodies might mean "maintenance and replenishment" of our "onboard memory storage"!!:)

WOW! WOW! WOW! If there is any possibility for that to be the case................................................!!! (Just wild thoughts)

[space otter]

there is always an opposite view..  and I think  it should be looked at because it tells us where to check... and it seems that  things are circling around    


http://www.scilogs.com/in_scientio_veritas/water-memory-myth-that-wouldnt-die/

"Water memory" – a myth that wouldn't die

28 December 2011 by Kausik Datta, posted in homeopathy, pseudoscience, Uncategorized



Holy pseudoscience, Batman!

Homeopathy websites (too many to list; I found the material for this post here) are all gleefully abuzz today** with the following factoid – New Research From Aerospace Institute of the University of Stuttgart Scientifically Proves Water Memory and Homeopathy.


A simple experiment by researchers and professors at the prestigious Aerospace Institute of the University of Stuttgart in Germany is confirming Dr. Jacques Benveniste's 1988 assertion that water has an imprint of energies to which it has been exposed. In spite of Jacques Benveniste's experiment to show that homeopathy works being replicated many many times at various research labs and universities around the world, skeptics have continued to attempt to debunk it albeit unsuccessfully... This new experiment and support from professors here offer another intriguing view and explanation of how homeopathy works since it proves water has a "memory".

Naturally interested, I rushed to find a source for this awesome news about a phenomenon that could potentially change all our basic understanding of the physico-chemical nature of water and give a big fillip to Benveniste's "water memory" theory that has been discredited several times over. I looked and looked, I really did. Did I find a journal article, a research paper, a scientific citation?

NO. All I found was a YouTube video.

same vid that Z posted

So what did the video talk about? What simple experiment led the homeopathy world to such a momentous conclusion?

The experiment is simple enough. The voice-over says that the researchers at "Aerospace Institute at the University of Stuttgart" have found a simple way to make the structure of water visible.

(We shall not get into a quibble over the fact that University of Stuttgart (Universität Stuttgart) has no single "Aerospace Institute"; the faculty of Aerospace Engineering and Geodesy has three separate institutes with 'Aerospace' in their names. But as long as we are talking about fact-free assertions, it's fine.)

[Update dated December 11, 2012: A reader pointed this out: The correct name of the institute is The Institute for Static and Dynamics for aerospace constructions of the University of Stuttgart. Here is a website of the project: http://www.weltimtropfen.de; the site is in German (YAY for Google Translate!). Unfortunately, the website has no pertinent information about the experiments and methodologies. There are some nice photos of water droplets, but mere appearance of some photos is not evidence. That is not how science works.]

The video shows right at the beginning (around 0:14) water being drawn into a syringe and droplets being placed on a glass slide. The voice-over goes on to say that each drop has a face of its own, unmistakable and unique. According to their observation, the water must remember the student who performed the experiment, because four droplets put by the same student looked identical, and there are visible differences between droplets put by different students.

My critical antennae were screaming.
•We were not told how these images were taken: camera? Light microscope? EM? Could the different observations be image artefacts? Of note in this regard, scienceblogger Orac had a very interesting post on how heavy metal contaminants were mistaken for non-existent structures called nanocrystalloids by a group of pro-homeopathy scientists intents on proving the existence of "water memory".
•We don't know if the images were taken simultaneously or differently. For example, was the same slide used for 16 droplets shown on screen? If the slides were different, how were the variables on slide surface (grease/grime/effect of cleaning solution et cetera) controlled for?
•Since the water was pushed out through the needle, how was the volume of the droplet controlled for? It is not unexpected that different students would push the plunger with slightly different force and end up with different volumes on the slide.
•Did each student put the droplets simultaneously or was there a time gap between each set? How was the effect of this time gap controlled for, particularly since the main thesis of the experiment is based on the different appearance of water drops made by different students? The easiest control would have been to get a student to put water drops at two different times, after taking water from the same source.

The person shown in the video demonstrating the observations did not of course get into any such vexatious question. The voice-over moved on to a different experiment, in which different flowers put in the water gave rise to different pictures of the droplet, thereby concluding that the water remembered the flowers.

Again, there was no mention of
•whether the surfaces of the flower parts were clean or similarly cleaned or not,
•whether the substances known to be in flowers (such as aromatic oils, alkaloids et cetera) had any effect, or even whether these parameters matched between the two different flowers put in,
•whether these experiments were adequately controlled for.

Of course not. Silly me. But the next assertion was even more stupendous – that the Rhine carries all the information from the stuff dropping into it, and the Dutch, located at the mouth of the Rhine, drink all that information. Hoozzah! The Dutch have their very own information superhighway in their gut.

Not having been fortunate enough to visit Germany or the Netherlands, I don't know about the Rhine. But I know about many major rivers in India, even some of the great lakes in the US. I guess no one ever takes a dip in the Rhine? Across Germany, Austria, Liechtenstein, Switzerland, France, Netherlands, Luxembourg, and Belgium, there is not a single place where industrial effluents or human/animal excreta find their way into the Rhine or any of its tributaries? Does the Rhine remember all that information and pass it to the European gut? Gasp! – Is this why there is this preponderance of quackery in certain parts of Europe? The memories of all those nasty stuff in Rhine water must be doing something?

Critical thinking and rational experimentation is not, and has not been, a strong suit of the Complimentary and Alternative Medicine (CAM) practitioners. They continue to believe in their particular brand of magical remedies; however, they also crave the legitimacy that science is considered to provide – hence, their relentless struggle to appropriate science-y concepts to demonstrate the efficacy of CAM modalities, failing which there is always Special Pleading, Argument from Authority, Argument from Popularity and various other assorted logical fallacies at their disposal, as well as anecdata, a.k.a. testimonials.

The Editor of the EBM-First website, who goes by Blue_Wode on Twitter, kindly pointed me towards an illuminating article by Prof. Edzard Ernst about how "negative scientific evidence on homeopathy was covered up in Germany in the 1940s" (See page 2). This amply illustrates why rationalists and skeptics within the scientific community must keep up the good work of bringing reason and sanity to counter the lies and misinformation spread by the peddlers of pseudoscience.


** Update in postscript: I was wrong about this being in the news today. I found some blogpost dating back to April 2011 where this was mentioned, along with the vid.






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of course I found more


http://news.sciencemag.org/people-events/2014/09/unesco-host-meeting-controversial-memory-water-research


UNESCO to host meeting on controversial 'memory of water' research

By Martin Enserink  23 September 2014 2:45 pm 74 Comments



The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) is potentially wading into hot water next month when it hosts a meeting set up by Nobelist Luc Montagnier to discuss his controversial research on what has become known as "the memory of water." The afternoon at the agency's Paris headquarters will feature talks about the virologist's widely ridiculed idea that water can carry information via an electromagnetic imprint from DNA and other molecules.

The meeting has so far raised little public opposition from researchers, but the announcement on UNESCO's website acknowledges its controversial nature, saying:


The promoters of this conference are aware of the critical reactions aroused by this work in parts of the scientific community, so they wish to communicate their results with the utmost rigor. The aim is to foster a broad and multidisciplinary discussion. These data seem particularly important because they further enrich the immense achievements of molecular biology. They also suggest the development of new modes of transmission of genetic messages (transmission, transduction, teleportation, etc.).

Montagnier says the issue is actually getting less controversial as fresh evidence for his claims is coming in. "More scientists are becoming convinced by the data," he says.

At least one blogger is taking offense, however: "Shame on @UNESCO for hosting this absurd pseudoscience conference about Montagnier's nonsense," tweeted Andy Lewis, who hosts the blog The Quackometer, last week. "This is classic pathological science—dredging around in the noise of irreproducible experiments by practitioners whose expertise is not in these fields in order to support hypotheses that fly in the face of well-established scientific principles," Lewis writes in an e-mail to ScienceInsider.



Montagnier, 82, who shared the Nobel Prize in physiology or medicine in 2008 for the discovery of HIV, stunned many fellow scientists about 5 years ago with claims that DNA emits weak electromagnetic waves that cause structural changes in water that persist even in extremely high dilutions. Montagnier considers himself an intellectual heir to the controversial French scientist Jacques Benveniste, who claimed in a 1988 Nature paper that water can retain "memories" of compounds even when diluted at a very high level—a claim that caused a sensation in the press and was taken as support of homeopathy by its proponents, but that other scientists weren't able to replicate.

Montagnier says he and his colleagues have a device that can detect such waves, which are strongest when they come from bacterial and viral genetic material. "In the future, we may use these findings not just for diagnostics but also for treatment," Montagnier told Science in 2010. "It's possible that electromagnetic waves at some frequency will kill the waves produced by bacterial DNA."

Montagnier documented the claims in a few papers in 2009. But many scientists have been extremely skeptical. Swiss immunologist Alain de Weck, who had long known and respected Montagnier, said he was "perplexed" in 2009. Lewis and other skeptics skewered his papers. Montagnier has also come under heavy fire for promoting long-term antibiotic treatments for children with autism; he claims his detection technique has shown that microbes play a role in that disorder.

At the meeting, Montagnier says he will present new, unpublished results showing that living cells can pick up patterns of electromagnetic waves—even when they're sent over the Internet to another lab—and synthesize the DNA encoded in them.

John Crowley, head of UNESCO's Research, Policy and Foresight Section, says the agency doesn't endorse or oppose Montagnier's theories; it's a "normal procedure" for the organization to host the meeting, Crowley says, because the World Foundation for AIDS Research and Prevention, which Montagnier chairs, has an official association with UNESCO, and the foundation's office is at the agency's Parisian headquarters. "We're just fulfilling one of UNESCO's roles, which is to offer an intellectual space for ideas to be discussed," Crowley says. "No more, no less."

Lewis says that UNESCO's participation may confer legitimacy on homeopathy, "with the result that people may end up harmed or killed" because they turn to homeopathy instead of proven therapies. But Montagnier says homeopathy is not on the agenda of the meeting, although he can't prevent the audience from asking questions about it.

The meeting features presentations by three other scientists. Among them is Carlo Ventura of the University of Bologna in Italy, whose presentation is titled "The voice of the stem cells: mutant vibrations and regenerative medicine." Mathematician and Fields Medal winner Cédric Villani, who heads the Institut Henri Poincaré in Paris, will offer a summary of the talks and place them in the context of the Benveniste controversy. UNESCO Director-General Irina Bokova was originally scheduled to make the opening remarks but canceled her participation last week because of an agenda conflict, says Crowley, who will replace her.






Posted in  People & Events, Scientific Community

[zorgon]

Don't mess with what floats my boat, , , , 

Behold the Mighty Vortex of Doom... the Abyss!!!

[zorgon]

Naturally interested, I rushed to find a source for this awesome news about a phenomenon that could potentially change all our basic understanding of the physico-chemical nature of water and give a big fillip to Benveniste's "water memory" theory that has been discredited several times over. I looked and looked, I really did. Did I find a journal article, a research paper, a scientific citation?

NO. All I found was a YouTube video.

I tend to find skeptobunkers like him useless eaters Many a strange science idea has been destroyed by such attitudes only to be proven later  I should do a thread on how many times in history some skeptoid has said "It can't be done" or "its not possible"

Certainly doesn't need that must space

In this case the world was biased to start with. Nature did not want to publish the paper and then later reluctantly did with a note saying "This was likely bunk" with expert testimony from James Randi. Really?  LOL

Benveniste submitted his research to the prominent science journal Nature for publication. There was concern on the part of Nature's editorial oversight board that the material, if published, would lend credibility to homeopathic practitioners even if the effects were not replicable. There was equal concern that the research was simply wrong, given the changes that it would demand of the known laws of physics and chemistry. The editor of Nature, John Maddox, stated that, "Our minds were not so much closed as unready to change our whole view of how science is constructed." Rejecting the paper on any objective grounds was deemed unsupportable, as there were no methodological flaws apparent at the time.

In the end, a compromise was reached. The paper was published in Nature Vol. 333 on 30 June 1988,[ but it was accompanied with an editorial by Maddox that noted "There are good and particular reasons why prudent people should, for the time being, suspend judgement" and described some of the fundamental laws of chemistry and physics which it would violate, if shown to be true.[4] Additionally, Maddox demanded that the experiments be re-run under the supervision of a hand-picked group of what became known as "ghostbusters", including Maddox, famed magician and paranormal researcher James Randi, and Walter W. Stewart, a physicist and freelance debunker at the U.S. National Institutes of Health.

Someone needs to shot Randi LOL Being a sceptic is fine but attacking something just because you don't WANT it to upset your apple carts is heinous a and a real disservice to the human race. If something doesn't work it will so out itself anyway. By debunking it like this just ensures no one else will want to look at it

Implications
While Benveniste's study demonstrated a mechanism by which homeopathic remedies could operate, the mechanism defied conventional scientific understanding of physical chemistry knowledge. A paper about hydrogen bond dynamics is mentioned by some secondary sources in connection to the implausibility of water memory.

So there it is  Its about homeopathy and alternate healing... well we can't have THAT getting out   I need to follow up on that 'secondary source' The hydrogen bonding sounds like something I came across before

So here is the paper (not very hard to find) Price is $32.00
E. Dayenas; F. Beauvais, J. Amara , M. Oberbaum, B. Robinzon, A. Miadonna, A. Tedeschit, B. Pomeranz, P. Fortner, P. Belon, J. Sainte-Laudy, B. Poitevin and J. Benveniste (30 June 1988). "Human basophil degranulation triggered by very dilute antiserum against IgE" (PDF). Nature 333 (6176): 816–818. Bibcode:1988Natur.333..816D. doi:10.1038/333816a0. PMID 2455231. Retrieved 2007-06-05.

I think this is the secondary paper..

Cowan ML; Bruner BD; Huse N et al. (2005). "Ultrafast memory loss and energy redistribution in the hydrogen bond network of liquid H2O". Nature 434 (7030): 199–202. Bibcode:2005Natur.434..199C. doi:10.1038/nature03383. PMID 15758995.

I used to have a subscription to Nature  I should check what they charge these days. In the meantime I will see if I can find a free copy somewhere

[zorgon]

Subscription is $199.00 a year  Gives you full access. Personal subscribers to Nature can view articles publis

[zorgon]

Seems the military did some studies on water memory in 1970  but other than this not finding much else

Sonic Cavitation in Water - Defense Technical Information ...
Water's Memory. In certain instances, water seems to have a memory and to react according to its past history. An experiment was reported [20] in which.
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a031182.pdf

This is from a very vague public release at DARPA

[zorgon]

Storing data in individual molecules
An international team of researchers demonstrates the possibility of molecular memory near room temperature.
http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2013/storing-data-in-individual-molecules

NASA - Nonvolatile Molecular Memory
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/research/technology-onepagers/nonvolatile_memory.html

Lining up for molecular memory devices
http://www.nanowerk.com/nanotechnology-news/newsid=38439.php

[zorgon]

Memory of Water
Glass of waterCan water have a 'memory' of its previous solutes, environment or processing.?

"Maybe I should have thrown the data away"   Jacques Benveniste, 1935-2004
          but being a scientist and believing in his data he could not


Does water have memory?

The 'memory of water' is a popular phrase that is mostly associated with homeopathy and Jacques Benveniste [1211] following his and others' allergy research work [132]. These research teams reported that solutes subjected to sequential physical processing and dilution show biological effects different from those apparent using just the water employed for the dilutions. The subject has drawn a lot of controversy with many scientists simply rejecting it outright without studying the evidence. The subject area has recently been the subject of a number of papers in the journal Homeopathy (July, 2007)c and has been reviewed [1206]. Although there is much support for water showing properties that depend on its prior processing (that is, water having a memory effect), the experimental evidence indicates that such changes are due primarily to solute and surface changes occurring during this processing. Certainly, simply stirring a solution may have pronounced effects on the vessel's surface charge and chemistry which can last for several minutes after the stirring has ceased [2138]. Another memory scenario concerns individual O:H–O hydrogen bond possessing memory of their physical temperature and pressure history that lasts over periods of minutes [2227]. This hypothesis, although well published in peer-reviewed journals, needs further substantiation. The experimentally corroborated memory phenomena cannot be taken as supporting the basic tenets of homeopathy although they can explain some effects [1206].

Is water special?

The main evidence against water having a memory is that of the very short (~ps) lifetime of hydrogen bonds between the water molecules [1209]. Clearly in the absence of other materials or surfaces (see later), the specific hydrogen bonding pattern surrounding a solute does not persist when the solute is removed any more than would a cluster around any specified water molecule, or else water would not know which of its myriad past solutes took preference. Indeed the atoms that make up the water molecule only remain together for about a millisecond in liquid water due to proton exchange (see water dissociation). A recent NMR study shows no stable (>1 ms, >5 ?M) water clusters are found in homeopathic preparations [712]. It should, however, be noted that the lifetime of hydrogen bonds does not control the lifetime of clusters in the same way that a sea wave may cross an ocean, remaining as a wave and with dependence on its history, but with its molecular content continuously changing.g Also, the equilibrium concentration of any clusters are governed by thermodynamics not kinetics.

Microwave irradiation give rise to a memory effect on the surface tension of water that lasts for minutes after the effect of temperature rise alone has ended [2208]. An extraordinary paper authored by Nobel prize-winning Luc Montagnier has described memory effects in aqueous DNA solutions that the authors propose depend on interactions with the background electromagnetic field. These effects, if real, require the prior processing and dilution of the solutions and are explained by Montagnier as resonance phenomena with nanostructures derived from the DNA and water [1602].e

As applied to homeopathy, the 'memory of water' concept should also be extended to the memory of aqueous ethanol preparations, which are also used. Addition of ethanol to water adds an important further area of complexity. Ethanol forms solutions in water that are far from ideal and very slow to equilibrate [1212]. Although usually considered a single phase, such solutions may contain several distinct phases [1297] and more generally consist of a complex mixture dominated by water-water and ethanol-ethanol clusters, where hydrogen bonding is longer-lived than in water alone [1213]. They also favor nanobubble (that is, nanocavity) formation [1172]. Thus, the peculiar behavior of aqueous solutions (as mostly discussed on this page) is accentuated by the presence of ethanol.

http://www1.lsbu.ac.uk/water/memory_of_water.html

[zorgon]

The Strangeness of Water & Homeopathic 'Memory'

Is there any reason for homeopathic remedies to work? Does the strangeness of water hold the key? Dr. Mae-Wan Ho describes recent ideas on how the quantum electrodynamic properties of water could provide the basis of homeopathic 'memory' and how one might investigate them.

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Water is the most abundant substance on the surface of the earth and is the main constituent of all living organisms. The human body is about 65 percent water by weight, with some tissues such as the brain and the lung containing nearly 80 percent. The water in our body is almost completely tied up with proteins, DNA and other macromolecules in a liquid crystalline matrix that enables our body to work in a remarkably coherent and co-ordinated way (see "To science with love", this issue).

Although water is the most familiar of liquids, it is also the most mysterious. Water is densest at 4 C and expands on freezing at 0 C, which is why ice floats, fortunately for fish and other aquatic creatures.

The water molecule consists of an oxygen atom bonded to two hydrogen atoms (H2O). The water molecule has the shape of a tetrahedron, a three-dimensional triangle. The oxygen atom sits in the heart of the tetrahedron, the hydrogen atoms point at two of the four corners and two electron clouds point to the remaining opposite corners. The clouds of negative charge result from the atomic structures of oxygen and hydrogen and the way they combine in the water molecule.

Oxygen has eight negatively charged electrons disposed around its positively charged nucleus rather like layers of the onion, two in the inner shell and six in an outer shell. The inner shell's capacity is filled, but the outer shell can hold as many as eight. Hydrogen has only one electron, so oxygen, by combining with two hydrogen atoms, completes its outer electron shell. The hydrogen's electron is slightly more attracted to the oxygen nucleus than its own nucleus, which makes the water molecule polar, and it ends up with two clouds of slightly negative charge around the oxygen atom, and its two hydrogen atoms are left with slightly positive charges.

The positively charged hydrogen of each water molecule can attract the negatively charged oxygen of another, giving rise to a hydrogen-bond (H-bond) between molecules. Each molecule of water can form four H-bonds, two between the hydrogen atoms and the oxygen atoms of two other molecules, and two between its oxygen atom and two hydrogen atoms of other molecules. Ice is usually composed of a lattice of water molecules arranged with perfect tetrahedral geometry. In liquid water, however, the structure can be quite random and irregular. The actual number of H-bonds per liquid water molecule ranges from three to six, with an average of about 4.5. At ordinary temperatures, liquid water consists of dynamic clusters of 50 to 100 water molecules, in which the H-bonds are constantly making and breaking (or flickering). The tetrahedral H-bonded molecule also gives water a loosely packed structure compared with that of most other liquids, such as oils or liquid nitrogen.

Water offers eternal fascination for physicists and physical chemists, not the least of the reasons being that it enables DNA and all proteins to function properly in the living organism (see Box).

http://www.i-sis.org.uk/water3.php

[space otter]

just some odd thoughts here..about what it all means

homopathy is a subject that can take you  on a journey...
I can't tell you how many times I have wanted to test a plant but not having any symptoms to treat have halted my experiments...sigh

but then  when you try some of  dr. emoto's blessing of water and it works..
and colored glass containers  for fluids to change/adjust  moods and it works

and then someone does a study on plants and how they communicate with other plants
and talking to them is proven to change them

and then

when you try to think of something / ANTTHING in this world that doesn't have water in it's composition

the mind boggles

perhaps the old stuff about everything having a spirit refers to the memory/ies being held in water by those objects

[Somamech]

In relation to the original Video posted I may have found the original Uni which is mentioned in the video regarding taking photograph's of water droplets.

Institute of Aerospace Thermodynamics

http://www.uni-stuttgart.de/itlr/forschung/themen.php?lang=en

The only thing I would crit on the video is the fact that everyone and everything contains unique oil's (in the case of the flower slide), microbe's, fungi and whatever-else, to the degree the mind boggle's at how much life is on this planet that is not explained fully due to lack of research.

I was going to post a picture of mountain stream water I was drinking two weeks ago whilst camping and hiking the highest peak here in Vic, Oz to Illustrate how Nature doe's it's wonders all alone to good effect... but I aint got a USB cable on hand    

[zorgon]

but then  when you try some of  dr. emoto's blessing of water and it works..
and colored glass containers  for fluids to change/adjust  moods and it works

Everything in the universe is based on vibration and frequency. We know that when things resonate certain things happen

A simple wave in water   start one from both directions  when they meet if they are in tune then the wave is amplified  if they are out of tune the wave can be cancelled...  This holds true for sound and any EM waves as well

When the wave is gone the water returns to its former state.  Two waves can also pass through each other

Resonance can heal or destroy  We have all seen a singer shatter a glass  A LASER can burn holes  So if the destructive power of resonance can be so easily demonstrated it should follow that the constructive or healing aspect should be equally easy to demonstrate

Asian Mystics have done this for millennia while the West works hard to debunk it most likely because it gives mankind Godlike powers that would mess up their little world  Science is the same as religion... don't you DARE come up with a thought that messes up their god