‘Vladimir Putin advised by ALIENS’ Councillor blames ETs for Ukraine crisis.

[astr0144]

Some may say we all have to be so to discuss such topics. or that there may be many of us on here 
if you are referring direct to the post that I made.

Rather a invalid comment on a UFO/ ET thread I would think..Reminds me of some of the Trolling on ATS.

You still cannot offer any evidence one way or the other or have not done so far IMO...

Just suggesting made up stories or Mind Control may be truth, but not proof...

You have made some of your own thoughts known about certain things that you believe, but I do not need you or would prefer you not to make the same comments on each post that I or others may make if they post UFO or ET related topics in the UFO Thread..

Some are non believers , some are believers, other still researching to look into the various material that is posted or that they find.

My thoughts would be IF there were ANY type of Intelligent  species of E.T other than the likes of minor organisms ..then maybe such things could be possible..But it does not mean that I believe everything...I just post related material...

Please allow those with such beliefs to post freely with such demeaning  comments..

"Z" made a recent Post about Such things when we had other similar issues if I recall..

Unless of course the majority on here do not believe in ETs, then maybe I am missing the message    It maybe that the much longer term members have now come to your conclusion..I am still not really sure...maybe judging by some of the responses...that may be so..


But Some of us may be well severely Mad..or just not yet reached such a conclusion or may not think its really possible to reach such a conclusion..

The deceivers who may work at producing such material as what Snowden claims may work it in other ways that we do not realize.. 

Or if I understand Matrix correctly and he is right,
None of us maybe as we think we are, including ETs if they appear to exist and we all may just be avatar Holographic projections.. That may make it hard to really understand anything..

So I am still very unclear in somethings that I may believe or not at the moment and can be subject to change..

I knew there was something the matter with the bleedin' nutters on here. 

[Pimander]

Rather a invalid comment on a UFO/ ET thread I would think..Reminds me of some of the Trolling on ATS.

You still cannot offer any evidence one way or the other or have not done so far IMO...

Neither can you in my opinion.  Apart from reporting what people have said, what evidence is provided anywhere here?

My evidence that this is BS is that the alleged Snowden documents simply do not exist.  That is real evidence.

It is not trolling at all Astro so chill out.

Follow up on the leads in the opening post and you'll find nothing but hearsay.  Absolutely nothing.


I am not criticising you for posting reports like the one in the opening post by the way.  But having the opposite opinion to you and sticking to guns is not trolling!

Remember, adults can disagree without falling out.

[astr0144]

Its not weather your or my opinions differ..or if any of the Snowden like stuff exists or not..

Is was the comment that you made that I did not think was appropriate for this forum..Knowing already one has differing opinions..

ATS maybe.

All I am suggesting is I don't thing such words are very nice if one has to think those are the sort of comments one may make if a member makes a similar related post you may make similar comments on ...

I am not really deeply offended..
So I hope peace can prevail..

and I accept your views...

I do not know if some of the comments made in other posts were true or not..but even if the post was BS...some later possibly interesting facts may have been said....

Then next thing I Know, I see your comment..which I did not think was appropriate..

I would have thought that there were many other things at least just as BS potential wrote on PRC but I have not seen or noticed so far such similar comments t o other members who may have posted them.

My evidence that this is BS is that the alleged Snowden documents simply do not exist.  That is real evidence.

It is not trolling at all Astro so chill out.

[Pimander]

I do not know if some of the comments made in other posts were true or not..but even if the post was BS...some later possibly interesting facts may have been said....

Then next thing I Know, I see your comment..which I did not think was appropriate..

If you are referring to the "bleedin' nutters" comment then it was a joke you may or may not have understood.  Feel free to be offended by it but that is the great thing about freedom of expression.

[zorgon]

However, is there any truth (whatsoever infinitesimal) buried in this 'report'?
January 11, 2014
By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers

LOL Seriously Sorcha Faal?  LOL I must be back at ATS

Sorcha Faal is neither a she nor Sorcha


Sorcha Faal... Internet Hoax Queen Courtesy of David Booth...
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread304918/pg1

[zorgon]

There is certainly several interesting facts that you posted there Thor that relate to possibilities behind the ET agenda connections.

Well it was written by Sorcha Faal so...

What would puzzle me though is if ETs /their aid in technology were involved in aiding Germany...
I think that I would have thought that they would have certainly won the War...
but Id also question why side with Germany...

There are supposedly 56-7 ET races visiting Earth.  The supposed contact with Aliens by Germans was a CHANNELLING contact. The info was passed via a medium so no actual Aliens landed to help Germany  A lot of the NAZI UFO stuff was 'embellished' over the years

If it was the Tall Whites, it may be due to the aryan white race.. but there were white Races elsewhere opposing Germany..

The Tall Whites are not Aryan.  Aryan 'whites' are more pink really  (like us )

But if those facts are true about a rapid increase in Germany's Submarines, that is certainly thought provoking...

Channeled information, whether from an Alien race or simply the Akashic Record can be useful or deceptive. I suppose it depends on WHO is receiving it.  For prime example take the liquid fuel rocket.

Three scientists INDEPENDENTLY came up with the EXACT same rocket  Herman Oberth (Germany who taught von Braun)  Robert Goddard (USA) and Tsiolkovsky (Russian)  Oddly enough the Russian got it first but since communication in those days was not like today, he didn't get credit for that until much later

So the question...  WHERE did this sudden flash of insight come from?  Those three countries are today the three main space faring Nations (NASA,ESA, RosCosmos)  All based on this ONE invention

If they were also inventing Saucers..I wonder why they did not also create many more of them also..

Simple... MONEY and resources  Germany is a small nation and they were spread thin on many fronts of both research and combat

or even Nukes...if the TWs had such knowledge to create such or similar superior weapons...

Well the TW's live on Area 51 lands today But Germany was very close to creating the Abomb Even had a long ranch rocket ready to launch it to USA  (See Operation Crossbow)

or later even prevented the USA from creating Nukes..if they possessed such power.

Well I guess they either couldn't do that via channeling or they really are not all powerful People always assume that ET HAS to be way in advance of us. WHY?  Tesla had a saucer design in the 1800's  We chose WAR over Space Exploration.  If ET simply went the other direction they could be here not  at all advance from us

Besides in the 50's the Venusian Visitors did supposedly stop by and warn us to stop with the Nukes "or else"  1951 The Day the Earth Stood Still" ; Valient Thor, 1952 Washington Flap, Eisenhower meeeting with ET...

If they had wanted you would have even thought that they would have created such a take over alone if they had wanted to ...even with limited beings by themselves..

IF  they had wanted to

or did they have an agenda at the time to maybe oppose the USA and other western Countries..

or... did they say "Fvck this place... these Monkeys are not worth the effort

[zorgon]

Astro, it's my opinion that you are wasting your brain on entertaining these sorts of stories...

Well it is MY opinion that YOU are wasting your time trying to stop people from speculating about such things on a website that was created to speculate bout such things

Alien Nordics do not exist outside the realms of the fascists imagination.

And naturally you have proof of this statement with documentation to back up your statement and are about to share it with us?

[zorgon]

Although I don't know why I bother.. Everybody is on their period apparently.

This is a very good question

You are free to have an opinion...  you are free to express that opinion... you are free to create your own forum and website to express your opinion..

But I never understood the seemingly pathological need of skeptics to constantly tell others they are wrong, when they themselves have no clue as to what is the real truth

If we wanted a constant barrage of naysayers  we would have remained at ATS

[zorgon]

I reckon the Russians are having a joke at the US habit of blaming aliens... 

"I believe that the hypothesis of alien submarine bases should not be discarded," says Vladimir Azhazha. "Skepticism is the easy way: to believe in nothing, do nothing. Oceanographic Shipments rarely explore the great depths. It is therefore of utmost importance to analyze what the military saw down there."

About a week after the UFO files from the Russian Navy, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin was involved in an exploratory mission to the bottom of Lake Baikal, in Siberia. Putin, on board a mini submarine, decreased exploration in the lake at a depth of 1,400.  We recall that Lake Baikal is one of the most profound and large pools on the planet.

In a report of 1982 shows a strange incident involving just the Lake Baikal.   
A group of divers was engaged in a military training mission at the bottom of the Siberian lake.   
During the mission the divers spotted a group of humanoid creatures dressed in a silver suit. 
The military tried to capture the aliens but three of the seven men were killed while four others were seriously injured.

Excerpts from...

Lake Baikal: Russia Reveals 'UFO Encounters'



http://www.thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_files/03files2/Russian_UFOs_002.html

Russian Navy UFO records say aliens love oceans

The Russian navy has declassified its records of encounters with unidentified objects technologically surpassing anything humanity ever built, reports Svobodnaya Pressa news website.
The records dating back to soviet times were compiled by a special navy group collecting reports of unexplained incidents delivered by submarines and military ships. The group was headed by deputy Navy commander Admiral Nikolay Smirnov, and the documents reveal numerous cases of possible UFO encounters, the website says.

Vladimir Azhazha, former navy officer and a famous Russian UFO researcher, says the materials are of great value.

"Fifty percent of UFO encounters are connected with oceans. Fifteen more – with lakes. So UFOs tend to stick to the water," he said.
On one occasion a nuclear submarine, which was on a combat mission in the Pacific Ocean, detected six unknown objects. After the crew failed to leave behind their pursuers by maneuvering, the captain ordered to surface. The objects followed suit, took to the air, and flew away.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_files/03files2/Russian_Navy_UFO_records_say_aliens_love_oceans.html

KGB's Secret UFO Files Finally Made Public



KGB's Secret UFO Files Finally Made Public
22.12.2005

KGB agents were making records of UFO observations in special Blue Folder

Files comprising the famous Blue Folder have been declassified a while ago. The prominent Soviet cosmonaut Pavel Popovich got the folder from the KGB in 1991. These days Mr. Popovich holds the position of honorary president of the Academy of Informational and Applied Ufology. The folder contains numerous descriptions of UFO flights and reports on some (mostly failed) attempts taken by the military in order to catch the aliens.

Aliens acknowledged back in 1968 UFO

In 1968, 13 leading aircraft designers and engineers of a brand-new aircraft section of the Soviet Committee on Space Technology and Exploration forwarded a letter to the Soviet Prime Minister Alexei Kosygin. Actually, it was a request to set up a special organization for the study of UFOs. A reply to the letter was signed by Academician Shchukin. It is an amazing document per se:

"A number of competent organizations of the Presidium of the USSR Academy of Sciences in cooperation with the Chief Directorate of Meteorological Service, Defense Ministry and a few other agencies considered the issue of nature of the so-called flying objects. The organizations involved in the study of the atmosphere and space have been instructed to register and do research on any cases of UFOs for identification purposes. The USSR Academy of Sciences is charged with general monitoring of the phenomena, and therefore a special organization for the study of UFOs is not required."

"It was a real breakthrough," says Vladimir Azhazha, president of the above academy and keeper of the Blue Folder. "The authorities not only acknowledged the existence of UFOs for the first time, they also showed their great interest in the issue," adds he.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_files/03files/article002.html



http://www.thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_files/03files2/KGB_UFO_Files_1998_Roger_Moore.html

[Pimander]

If we wanted a constant barrage of naysayers  we would have remained at ATS

I thought you wanted research here?  Iif we concentrate on the reports worth looking at and bin the nonsense ruthlessly then we can actually call it research as opposed to speculation. 

It really doesn't hurt to be ruthless with BS reports.  Members should not see it as personal.  I have wasted months looking at stuff people report uncritically only to find someone had already found out it was BS.  I would have benefited enormously from someone like me who had already wasted time looking at the reports.  My policy is to say what I know or suspect but don't criticise the messenger.

The USSR Academy of Sciences is charged with general monitoring of the phenomena, and therefore a special organization for the study of UFOs is not required

This probably means that there was a special group secretly studying UAP/UFOs in the USSR and the contents of that book barely scratch the surface.

I'd agree that a lot of the more interesting reports are linked to water which is obviously, along with deep within the Earth, the most unexplored place on Earth.  We are only really familiar with the surface and atmosphere.

I still think RT News (formerly Russia Today) were having fun at the expense of the NATO policy of using UFOs as a smokescreen for everything secret.

[Sinny]

Well it is MY opinion that YOU are wasting your time trying to stop people from speculating about such things on a website that was created to speculate bout such things

All I can say to Astro is that the post he has made to Pimander made me giggle last night, because is was nigh two years ago I made almost the exact same post to Pi 

I ignored Pi's input for quite a while, but in time, I came to disprove my own previous beliefs which were extremely similar to that of Astro's, through the long hard slog of research, common sense and by reviewing the health of my own belief systems (that's the clincher).

Merely providing the input that I would have appreciated a couple of years ago... Now he's been given the two opposites:

1) Sorcha Faal Aliens are real
2) Sinny says it's all made up.

Now he can go and find his synthesis.

P.s, I interpreted the forums title as it's literal objective. I have recently been corrected in this regard, so please cut me some slack, I'll be cutting the slack I distribute in return. 

And naturally you have proof of this statement with documentation to back up your statement and are about to share it with us?

There is more proof of my hypothesis than there is of actual aliens.
You already know this, so I'll bypass the hoops.

[micjer]

Sorcha Faal is David Booth, CIA dis-Information agent


http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/sorcha-faal-is-david-booth-cia-dis-information-agent/question-1480439/?link=ibaf&q=&esrc=s

[zorgon]

I thought you wanted research here?

I gave up on that after the last bruhaha and banning of the IG terrorists  

Iif we concentrate on the reports worth looking at and bin the nonsense ruthlessly then we can actually call it research as opposed to speculation.

Speculation is fine and I will concentrate on the reports worth looking at on the website  Like I did at the beginning that got Pegasus the attention in the first place.

But spouting Sorcha Faal crap... is that really where we want to go?

John had a friend living in Australia... this fellow was a semi retired CIA agent and was involved in writing Fortress Australia...  He used to send me lots of emails with interesting topics but every other email was a Sorcha Faal report... So yes I had to double check his other stuff carefully. One day I wrote him back and asked why he promoted Sorcha's obvious lies...

I never heard from him again

It really doesn't hurt to be ruthless with BS reports.  Members should not see it as personal.  I have wasted months looking at stuff people report uncritically only to find someone had already found out it was BS.  I would have benefited enormously from someone like me who had already wasted time looking at the reports.  My policy is to say what I know or suspect but don't criticise the messenger.

That applies to your average case  but Sorcha Faal has been know to be a paid shill for well for long before I ever got into this.

But feel free to be ruthless with the BS  as long as it is clearly marked BS for the nubes

This probably means that there was a special group secretly studying UAP/UFOs in the USSR and the contents of that book barely scratch the surface.

Yeah they were called the KGB :

I'd agree that a lot of the more interesting reports are linked to water which is obviously, along with deep within the Earth, the most unexplored place on Earth.  We are only really familiar with the surface and atmosphere.

Ask the NAVY  They are dropping hints all over the place even on the TV show NCIS where they made a HUGE POINT of mentioning AUTEC though it wasn't linked to the story

My problem is people are more interested in Sorcha Faal crap than actually tracing down the real stuff even when we already did the lead in SEVERAL times and at ATS

I still think RT News (formerly Russia Today) were having fun at the expense of the NATO policy of using UFOs as a smokescreen for everything secret.

The Russians have an odd sense of humor A German can get it.  RT is one of the best news networks out there right now that is independent  I used to like the BBC for my news  now I prefer RT  even if they toss in a joke or three

[Sinny]

Agreed on the RT comments made by Z.
The Russians are running rings around Western PR!