John Lear Zorgon Sgt.Rocknroll

[Sinny]

Pimander is someone from here who I could see myself potentially hanging out with offline; although meeting Sinny and Shasta might also be interesting, as would Robomont and Otter.  My initial purpose in coming here was to have a point of contact with Amaterasu after ATS, as well.

Ditto, I could imagine us all in a dark candle lit lounge forging a fellowship to save the world [lol]

[zorgon]

SEE The "Black Night Satellite" in ACTION!!!!

Do Battle with Jim Oberg on You Tube!!!

No holds bared there Russo Mwahahaha







I am curious how such a big thing floats by and no one knows what it fell off of

And hopefully no one at Pegasus will ask "Who took the photo?"

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

That's incredible! After seeing the 'Black Knight' in John's office, and he got up and walked over to it to make sure I got a picture of it, it really pict my interest. But I have never seen this video before!

[micjer]

Well you can't convince me that it is a piece off of the shuttle.  It was first noticed in the '50s, long before the shuttle(s) were every launched.

[space otter]

well I won't ask who took the vid cause obviously no one did..lol

but how about a little out of the box shot at explaining what it is?

we all know that a previous civilization nuked themselves off the planet and THEN we had cave man crawling  the way back to stupid advanced stuff

soo just maybe it is a left over piece from a time long long ago



and who the heck decided that it was a 13000 year old thing?   


came back to add..sorry if this is a know fiction writters thing..i kinda don't read that stuff
not that I need to with all the references to it as fact that float around   

[zorgon]

well I won't ask who took the vid cause obviously no one did..lol

Logic will provide an answer

but how about a little out of the box shot at explaining what it is?

we all know that a previous civilization nuked themselves off the planet and THEN we had cave man crawling  the way back to stupid advanced stuff

soo just maybe it is a left over piece from a time long long ago

Yes that is one of the premises put forward

and who the heck decided that it was a 13000 year old thing?   

I am not exactly sure where they got the 13,000 years  That is a new one... but Tesla was the first person to mention it.

Is this the same one Tesla heard signals from? Is it the same one that was spotted when there was only supposed to be ONE satellite up there, Sputnik?

If this item is not man made space debris it is at least a derelict. But the Black Knight Satellite is still THE top search request on Livingmoon


here is what I have collected so far (I am updating to add the video in a minute)

Black Knight Satellite
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_files/03files2/Black_Knight_Satellite.html

That page even attracted a couple text ads from universities

NASA STS-88 Black Knight Satellite? Black Transforming UFO? OR Space Debris?
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_files/03files2/Shuttle_Mission_STS_88.html

Black Knight Satellite or NASA Space Debris? Shuttle Mission STS-088
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Earth_Orbit_STS_088.html

As you can see I have three pages in various section. This is why I am regrouping the website. I would like to get the original from NASA on that video  Must be available on YT as someone else used it

[zorgon]

Well you can't convince me that it is a piece off of the shuttle.  It was first noticed in the '50s, long before the shuttle(s) were every launched.

Well in all fairness that is ASSUMING that what we see here in these images is the SAME object from 1950's

But Jim Oberg has the answer It'a a space blanket they lost 

Phantom satellite? What IS it? What ISN'T it? WHY the confusion?
http://www.jamesoberg.com/sts88_and-black-knight.pdf

That PDF is mostly Chest Thumping (Jim never misses an opportunity for that ) but hey at least it's not the standard "dust and ice particles near the shuttle" story

I think NASA should fire Jim   Not that I desire to see him without income, but because NASA needs a boost in the public theater... and since us conspiracy nuts are the only ones who REALLY care about what goes on in Space... they should dump the paid debunkers and feed us some bread crumbs  like Buzz Aldrin did with his "Monolith on Mars!"

Would be much better

[astr0144]

That is interesting to know that its PRCs top search request.

Its the 1st time I am being made aware about it.

and I would like to also know how they make out it is 13,000 yrs old.

At first view of the video , I thought that the astronauts had put their towel out to dry and that it had floated away.

It looks a really weird object at close up.

I am not exactly sure where they got the 13,000 years  That is a new one... but Tesla was the first person to mention it.

Is this the same one Tesla heard signals from? Is it the same one that was spotted when there was only supposed to be ONE satellite up there, Sputnik?

If this item is not man made space debris it is at least a derelict. But the Black Knight Satellite is still THE top search request on Livingmoon

[zorgon]

It looks a really weird object at close up.

I am sure Jim will soon pop in to educate us that it is just a space blanket Seems NASA has issue with those things falling off

Dang Cosmic Litterbugs if you ask me. How can any Alien get through all that crap they left floating around up there?

[zorgon]

and I would like to also know how they make out it is 13,000 yrs old.

LOL I am definitely getting Senile

Seems all the roads lead back to Pegasus (as all the reports out there are recent dates and I had this up years before this NASA object appeared) Seems the new object has gone viral and is now proof of the BKS

The 13,000 years came from the 1927 Encounter

This was actually the report that started all the fuss. Dang I really need a new memory core
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_files/03files2/Black_Knight_Satellite.html#Space


The Black Knight Satellite
by John Emerson

The black knight satellite. I'm not really sure what to make of this story. I've only seen the most sporadic mention of this thing on the occasional website. But man, as a long time fan of Philip K. Dick, the first time I heard about it my eyes sure went wide. Regardless of the truth of the situation, it's one hell of a tale.

The most cited report of the satellite comes from Disneyland of the Gods, by John Keel. He reports that in February 1960 the US detected an unknown object in polar orbit, a feat that neither they or the USSR had been able to accomplish. As if that wasn't enough, it apparently was several sizes larger than anything either country would have been able to get off the ground.

And then, the oddness began. HAM operators began to receive strange coded messages. One person in particular said he managed to decode one of the transmissions, and it corresponded to a star chart. A star chart which would have been plotted from earth 13,000 years ago, and focused on the Epsilon Bostes star system.

On September 3, 1960, seven months after the satellite was first detected by radar, a tracking camera at Grumman Aircraft Corporation's Long Island factory took a photograph of it. People on the ground had been occasionally seeing it for about two weeks at that point. Viewers would make it out as a red glowing object moving in an east-to-west orbit. Most satellites of the time, according to what little material I've been able to find on the black knight satellite, moved from west-to-east. It's speed was also about three times normal. A committee was formed to examine it, but nothing more was ever made public.

In the 1920s anomalous signals were again detected by amateur radio operators. These were originally of Earthly origin, but their timing was bizarre! A signal would be received then a second repeated signal received a few seconds later. These Long Delayed Echoes (LDEs) were difficult to explain in terms or radio waves bouncing off atmospheric layers.  In 1973, Scotsman Duncan Lunan (1945-) went back to these signals to see if could make sense of them.  Miraculously by plotting the delay times against the order in which the echoes were received he could create what appeared to be star charts and diagrams. By deciphering them Lunan decided that the signals were actually messages transmitted by a probe originally from the star Epsilon Böotes (Izar) which had been lurking near the Moon for the past 13 000 years.  Lunan is not a professional astronomer but instead a science fiction author with a flair for outré ideas but nevertheless the name Black Knight is never mentioned by him; nor has he personally linked his Epsilon Böotes hypothesis with the Black Knight, others seem to be responsible for this.

[RUSSO]

SEE The "Black Night Satellite" in ACTION!!!!

Do Battle with Jim Oberg on You Tube!!!

No holds bared there Russo Mwahahaha





I am curious how such a big thing floats by and no one knows what it fell off of

And hopefully no one at Pegasus will ask "Who took the photo?"

That's awkward to say the least, never saw this video before.

About Jim, who has the time to waste discussing about thermal blankets like a broken record these days?

I dont agree with his "vision" about floating blanquets and he will never be open for a, lets say, "not too main stream media way to see things".

So there is no point.

[Pimander]

and who the heck decided that it was a 13000 year old thing?   

If that weren't enough, ham operators began receiving odd messages from the Black Knight. One operator decoded a series of these messages as a star map. The map centered on Epsilon Boštes as seen from the earth 13,000 years ago. Remember, stars don't move very far even after 13,000 years, and Epsilon Boštes is moving towards us. Only the neighboring stars appear different after that amount of time. Was the Black Knight an alien calling card?

From article by Paul Rydeen

ETA: ~I think Tesla thought it was 30,000 years old but no idea how he got that figure.

[Pimander]

If you give me orbital data on this craft (assuming it exists ) then we could think about pointing a small programmable dish at it.  I could also see whether it is responsible for the "Wow Signal" but I need accurate data.

[Pimander]

SOURCE: http://disinfo.com/2015/05/black-knight-satellite-truth/

That does look like a plastic bag.



SOURCE: http://disinfo.com/2015/05/black-knight-satellite-truth/


That looks like a black op plane.  So does the image below.


SOURCE: http://www.armaghplanet.com/blog/the-truth-about-the-black-knight-satellite-mystery.html


The weak part about this is that all these incidents are probably different objects.

[space otter]

thank you for the info..of course I had to go look up the  bootes star system
and hey maybe the last group left this rock for another one and this is the note on the door to a forwarding address...    





http://www.constellation-guide.com/constellation-list/bootes-constellation/

Boötes Constellation

Boötes constellation lies in the northern hemisphere. Its name comes from the Greek word , Bo?t?s, which means ox driver, plowman, or herdsman.

The correct pronunciation is /bo??o?t?s/, with each 'o' pronounced separately and stress on the second syllable.

Boötes was first catalogued by the Greek astronomer Ptolemy in the 2nd century.

The constellation is home to Arcturus, the third individual brightest star in the night sky, after Sirius in Canis Major and Canopus in Carina constellation

FACTS, LOCATION & MAP


Boötes constellation map, star map,star chart, bootes
Boötes Constellation Map, by IAU and Sky&Telescope magazine
Boötes is the 13th largest constellation in the night sky, occupying an area of 907 square degrees.

It is located in the third quadrant of the northern hemisphere (NQ3) and can be seen at latitudes between +90° and -50°.

The neighboring constellations are Canes Venatici, Coma Berenices, Corona Borealis, Draco, Hercules, Serpens Caput, Virgo, and Ursa Major.

Boötes has five stars with known planets and does not contain any Messier objects.

The brightest star in the constellation is Arcturus, Alpha Boötis, which is also the third brightest star in the night sky.

There are three meteor showers associated with the constellation Boötes: the January Bootids, the June Bootids, and the Quadrantids.

Boötes belongs to the Ursa Major family of constellations, along with Camelopardalis, Canes Venatici, Coma Berenices, Corona Borealis, Draco, Leo Minor, Lynx, Ursa Major, and Ursa Minor.


I think when you look closely enough you can always find info in the myths


MYTH

Boötes is traditionally depicted as a herdsman with two hunting dogs on a leash and a club in his other hand. In the sky, Boötes follows Ursa Major around the pole. In one story, the constellation represents a ploughman driving the oxen in the Ursa Major constellation, followed by his two dogs, Asterion and Chara (represented by the constellation Canes Venatici, the Hunting Dogs). The ploughman's oxen are tied to the polar axis and their movement keeps the skies in constant rotation

Most commonly, Boötes is taken to represent Arcas, son of Zeus and Callisto, daughter of the Arcadian king Lycaon. Arcas was brought up by his grandfather, the king, who one day decided to test Zeus by serving him his own son for a meal. Zeus, however, saw through Lycaon's intentions, transformed the cruel king into a wolf, killed all his sons with thunderbolts, and brought Arcas back to life.

Zeus' wife Hera, having heard of her husband's infidelity, transformed Callisto into a bear. Callisto roamed the woods until, years later, she met her son, who was now grown up. Arcas didn't recognize his mother and began to chase her. Callisto hid herself in a temple, where he could not hurt her without risking being convicted to death for defiling a sacred place. To avoid a tragedy, Zeus placed both of them in the sky; Callisto as Ursa Major and Arcas as Boötes.

In another story, Boötes is taken to represent Icarius, a grape grower who once invited Dionysus to visit his vineyards. The god was so impressed that he gave Icarius the secret of making wine. Icarius followed the recipe and enjoyed the beverage so much that he invited all his friends to try it. They, however, enjoyed it a bit too much and, when they woke up the next day with bad hangovers, they assumed Icarius had tried to poison them. Angry, they decided to murder him in his sleep. Dionysus was saddened by the death of his friend and decided to place Icarius among the stars.

In another myth, Boötes is credited for inventing the plough, which prompted the goddess Ceres to place him in the heavens.


MAJOR STARS IN BOÖTES

Arcturus – ? Boötis (Alpha Boötis)

Arcturus is the third brightest star in the sky and the brightest star in the northern hemisphere. It has an apparent visual magnitude of -0.04.





It is often listed as the fourth brightest star, behind Alpha Centauri, because the latter is a binary star with a combined magnitude of -0.27.

Arcturus, however, is the third individual brightest star in the night sky, followed by Alpha Centauri A, the brightest star in Centaurus and the fourth individual brightest star in the sky.

The name Arcturus means "guardian of the bear" in Ancient Greek. The star is located at the left foot of the Herdsman, the one standing next to the bear constellations, Ursa Major and Ursa Minor.

Alpha Boötis is a type K1.5 IIIpe orange giant, one with an unusual spectrum of light and full of emission lines. (The "pe" stands for "peculiar emission.") Approximately 36.7 light years distant, the star has a luminosity at least 110 times that of the Sun and a very high proper motion; it moves at 122km/s relative to the solar system. It will arrive at the point nearest to the Sun in approximately 4,000 years.

How to find Arcturus in the sky


How to find Arcturus in the sky
Arcturus lies on the celestial equator and can easily be found if one follows the arc of the three bright stars that form the handle of the Big Dipper asterism in Ursa Major.

It is a member of the Local Interstellar Cloud (or Local Fluff), an interstellar cloud through which the Earth and the solar system are currently moving. The cloud is 30 light years across.

Arcturus is believed to be an old disk star. It appears to be travelling with a group of 52 other old disk stars, commonly known as the Arcturus Stream.

Nekkar – ? Boötis (Beta Boötis)

Nekkar is a yellow G-type giant 219 light years from Earth. It is a flare star, a type of variable star that shows dramatic increases in luminosity for a few minutes. The name Nekkar derives from a mis-transliteration of the Arabic word for "cattle driver." Sometimes the star is also referred to as Meres.


Seginus – ? Boötis (Gamma Boötis)

Seginus is a Delta Scuti type variable star, one showing variations in brightness as a result of both radial and non-radial pulsations on its surface. The star is approximately 85 light years distant. Its luminosity varies between magnitude 3.02 and 3.07 with a period of 6.97 hours. The star belongs to the spectral class A7III.



Izar (Pulcherrima) – ? Boötis (Epsilon Boötis)

Izar is a binary star located approximately 300 light years away in the constellation Boötes. It consists of a bright orange giant and a smaller and fainter main sequence star.

Epsilon Boötis is also sometimes knows as Pulcherrima, which means "the lovieliest" in Latin. The name Izar comes from the Arabic word for "veil." The star's other traditional names are Mirak ("the loins" in Arabic) and Mizar.



Muphrid (Saak) – ? Boötis (Eta Boötis)

Eta Boötis is a spectroscopic binary star with a period of 494 days. It is located close to Arcturus in the sky, only 3.24 light years away. The star's traditional name is Muphrid, derived from the Arabic phrase for "the single one of the lancer." It is also known as Saak.

Muphrid lies 37 light years from Earth. It belongs to the spectral class G0 IV. It has a significant excess of elements heavier than hydrogen.



Alkalurops – ? Boötis (Mu Boötis)

Mu Boötis is also known as Alkalurops. The name comes from the Greek word kalaurops, which means "the shepherd's staff."

Alkalurops is a triple star approximately 121 light years distant. The brightest component is a yellow-white F-type subgiant with an apparent visual magnitude of 4.31. The companion is a binary star lying 108 arcseconds away.



Merga – h Boötis (38 Boötis)

Merga lies about 153 light years from Earth and belongs to the spectral class F7IVw. The name Merga comes from the Arabic phrase meaning "the chained woman." The star has an apparent magnitude of 5.74.



Nadlat – ? Boötis (Psi Boötis)

Psi Boötis, or Nadlat, is an orange K-type giant 250 light years distant. It has an apparent magnitude of 4.52.



? Boötis (Tau Boötis)

Tau Boötis is another binary star in Boötes, approximately 51 light years from Earth. It consists of a yellow-white dwarf and a dim red dwarf. The primary star has an extrasolar planet in its orbit, discovered in 1996 and confirmed in 1999.



DEEP SKY OBJECTS IN BOÖTES

Boötes void
The Boötes void, also known as the Great Void or the Supervoid, is a sphere-shaped region of the sky, almost 250 million light years in diameter, that contains very few galaxies. Its approximate location is at right ascension 14h 20m and declination 26°. The void was originally discovered by Robert P. Kirshner, Harvard College Professor of Astronomy, in 1981, as part of a survey of galactic redshifts. By now, it is known that there are at least 60 galaxies in the void. American astronomer Gregory Scott Alderling once observed, "If the Milky Way had been in the center of the Boötes void, we wouldn't have known there were other galaxies until the 1960s."

Boötes I (Boötes Dwarf Galaxy)


ngc 5466,bootes constellation,dwarf spheroidal galaxy

NGC 5466, photo: NASA, ESA (Wikisky)
The Boötes Dwarf Galaxy is a dwarf spheroidal galaxy located approximately 197,000 light years from Earth. It is one of the faintest galaxies known, with an absolute magnitude of -5.8 and apparent magnitude of 13.1. It was only discovered in 2006.


Boötes I orbits the Milky Way Galaxy and, because of its distorted shape, it is believed to be tidally disrupted by the Milky Way. The galaxy is approximately 720 light years across.


NGC 5466

NGC 5466 is a globular cluster approximately 51,800 light years from Earth.

The cluster was first discovered by the German-born British astronomer William Herschel in 1784. It lies about 52,800 light years from the Galactic centre and is believed to be the source of a star stream called the 45 Degree Tidal Stream, which was discovered in 2006.

The cluster is notable because it contains a blue horizontal branch of stars and is as metal poor as regular globular clusters.










more if you are so inclined to read

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Arcturus cuts through galaxy's disk - EarthSky

earthsky.org/...stars/bright-orange-arcturus-use-the-big-dipper-to-find-it

May 13, 2015 - Arcturus is cutting perpendicularly through the galactic disk at a tremendous rate of speed - some 150 kilometers per second.


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Arcturus - The Arcturian Sign - YouTube

Video for arcturus? 5:09

www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uWIg5hI7hE

Mar 27, 2015 - Uploaded by prophecyBC
More info & purchase: http://en.prophecy.de/arcturus-arcturian.html http://en.prophecy.de/arcturus/ Arcturus ...


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Arcturus: Facts About the 'Bear Guard' Star - Space.com

www.space.com/22842-arcturus.html

Space.com
Sep 17, 2013 - Arcturus is a red giant star in the Northern Hemisphere of Earth's sky that is the brightest star in the constellation Boötes (the Herdsman).

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fixed star Arcturus - Astrology King

astrologyking.com › Fixed Stars › Bootes Constellation

Mar 23, 2014 - Arcturus star meaning in astrology, based on the planetary nature of this fixed star, and to a lesser extent, the mythology of Arcturus and its.


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Arcturus"). Bootes - Skyscript

www.skyscript.co.uk/bootes.html

Arcturus was well known among ancient seamen and farmers for bringing ... Its influence was always dreaded in mundane astrology, being unfavorable to the ...