Laputa the Floating City

[zorgon]

Laputa the Floating City

I saw a sketch today on FB from Gulliver's Travels  I had never seen this before




What I find remarkable is that the same image appears in two old oil paintings as well






The Floating City  A Collection

[rdunk]

Another interesting point is that in each of these pic/paintings there is also a person shown which is looking up at the "floating object" in the sky. Of course, in the last oil painting there are to young girls (?) floating in the air just above the others.

Are we to assume that these paintings are in a manner portraying scenes with baby Jesus, and are including the floating object as a part of it?

(The link didn't work for me)

[zorgon]

Another interesting point is that in each of these pic/paintings there is also a person shown which is looking up at the "floating object" in the sky.

THAT was my point in posting those pictures. Many Religious paintings show some type of craft in the sky  and it is obvious that people were aware of them because the painters go out of the way to portray someone looking at them

Of course, in the last oil painting there are to young girls (?) floating in the air just above the others.

Well don't forget that during those times people were very religious... so events would be interpreted from a religious point of view  ie  Chariots of the Gods and Angels  as opposed to Gray Aliens in Spaceships

Those two flying girls... are they Angels or Aliens with a levitation belt?  Are they Cherubim?  Well modern religion tells us Cherubim are cute chubby baby angels,, like these



Yet if you go further back Cherubim at the time of King Solomon, one of the wisest people in the Bible looked like THIS



If we put religiuon aside for awhile and just LOOK at what was portrayed and interpret it in our modern perspective knowing the limitations religion put on free thought back then... we can see that  what they saw back then is about what we see today.

We just use differnt names

Flaming Chariot becomes Glowing UFO

Winged Lion like Creature (Cherubim, Sphinx, Winged Bull of the Assyrians) become Fat Chubby Baby Angels

The Winged Disk becomes a Dove with a Halo

Problem with all that is that it distorts the truth... because the new depictions are so totally different no one can see what was what

Are we to assume that these paintings are in a manner portraying scenes with baby Jesus, and are including the floating object as a part of it?

We should assume NOTHING... But then you are trapped in that religious point of view so it makes it hard for you to think outside YOUR box

THIS is probably closer to the TRUTH of it

(The link didn't work for me)

Fixed

[ArMaP]

Are we to assume that these paintings are in a manner portraying scenes with baby Jesus, and are including the floating object as a part of it?

Yes.

Although I didn't study art history myself I helped my sister in some of her art history assignments while she was taking her five years university art course, so I expect to see things like that in paintings from the XV to the XVIII century, specially those with a religious theme, that were usually the result of the painter being hired to create a specific piece for some rich person or family.

I found an explanation of what we see in these paintings in this page.

[ArMaP]

If we put religiuon aside for awhile and just LOOK at what was portrayed and interpret it in our modern perspective knowing the limitations religion put on free thought back then... we can see that  what they saw back then is about what we see today.

I don't think that putting religion aside when looking at a painting representing a religious theme is an intelligent thing to do. 

[Sinny]

Yes.

Although I didn't study art history myself I helped my sister in some of her art history assignments while she was taking her five years university art course, so I expect to see things like that in paintings from the XV to the XVIII century, specially those with a religious theme, that were usually the result of the painter being hired to create a specific piece for some rich person or family.

I found an explanation of what we see in these paintings in this page.

I'll save everybody else the read; conclusion: The UFO's are 'clouds of light', a divine indication/observation/something of God.

I'm being really lazy at the minute, but I would like to know in what time frame the 'clouds' became Cherubs/Angels. 

[zorgon]

I found an explanation of what we see in these paintings in this page.

LOL THAT site is a Religious debunker site  hardly objective   Using that as a reference is like asking NASA to explain UFO's

[zorgon]

I'm being really lazy at the minute, but I would like to know in what time frame the 'clouds' became Cherubs/Angels.

Well let's look at the 'explanation'

In the first place he fills the mind with babble about the THREE STARS  I quote:

to the upper left we see the Nativity Star with three other small stars, or perhaps flames

What do you mean "perhaps flames"? are they stars or are the flames? You don't know? Then why are you 'explaining' anything?

So after a long spiel on the stars representing an impossible virginity...(did God really intend women to be virgins and still have kids? Does this make ANY sense?

So...

Returning to the above mentioned detail, the one that was interpreted as an UFO, we see that it is to be found in a great many "Nativities" of the '400 and '500. It is but the announcement to the shepherds, as told in St. Luke's Gospel:

«...and there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field keeping watch over their flock by night. And lo, an angel of the Lord come upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, Fear ye not: for behold!, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you was born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord...»

Okay THIS PART

an angel of the Lord come upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them

The GLORY is the SPACESHIP The Glowing UFO  For the Christian God and the angels always appear in the GLORY  It is always a glowing object that the angels ride in...

In the past the depictions are obviously craft...  Jacob's Ladder for example... an Angel drops a ladder (rope ladder?) from a Glowing Cloud so that Jacob can climb into the cloud ship. This is why people still today consider UFO's to be hiding in clouds



Rev 4:1
After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, "Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this."

Rev 11:12-13
And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them.

There is an interesting page here on the Doorways and Portals

http://www.thequickenedword.com/rhema/JacobsLadderandThePorthole.htm

Look around the web for the GLORY  Many paintings always showing it as a floating craft or portal in the sky





Some of them look a lot closer to the Stargate (Portal, Abyss, etc) but they are always called the GLORY

So in effect that website link CONFIRMS it  They call it a GLORY... von Danekin calls it a CHARIOT and we call it a GLOWING UFO or STARGATE





And THIS one

At the Second Coming Christ will appear in the heavens, seated on a cloud and surrounded by the angelic hosts (Matthew 16:27; 24:30; 25:31)

Kinda looks like a Stargate to me with the angelic hoard on the other side

[ArMaP]

LOL THAT site is a Religious debunker site  hardly objective   Using that as a reference is like asking NASA to explain UFO's

It's more like asking NASA to explain how a rocket works.

I see you still ignore the fact that we are talking about religious paintings. 

[zorgon]

The Ascension Of Jesus

Lets have a look at the paintings showing that..



Here we see again a round disk (or portal) flying in the sky (an angel each side for lift)

But this looks exactly like the Winged Disks of Assyrian Sumeria and Egypt (with the wings depicted as Angels

Point is the thing is flying  above the people... and this again is referred to as the GLORY....





So yes it is true that back then free thought was punnishable by torture and death   But if you substitute UFO for The GLORY  it makes more sense



And if anyone looking at THIS image cannot see the Stargate similarity they are truely blind   Painted in 1445  even has the gate codes. This is expulsion from Paradise... through an obvious portal

[zorgon]

I see you still ignore the fact that we are talking about religious paintings. 

No I don't   I just ignore THEIR interpretation of events of the day

I see you still ignore the likelihood that the Gods and Demons of all the religious texts are merely all ET's

[ArMaP]

Point is the thing is flying  above the people... and this again is referred to as the GLORY....

Not "the" glory, "a" glory.

And if anyone looking at THIS image cannot see the Stargate similarity they are truely blind   Painted in 1445  even has the gate codes. This is expulsion from Paradise... through an obvious portal

I suppose it's not possible that those that created the Stargate you are talking about couldn't have based their representation on an old painting. 

[ArMaP]

No I don't   I just ignore THEIR interpretation of events of the day

But we are not discussing the events of that day, we are discussing their interpretation of the events of that day, that's what the painting shows, this is not a witness report.

I see you still ignore the likelihood that the Gods and Demons of all the religious texts are merely all ET's

No, I am talking about the painting, not about the religious point of view. After all, what was presented for discussion was the painting, not the event.

[zorgon]

Not "the" glory, "a" glory.

True there were MANY of them Like THIS painting   



So is it any wonder we are still seeing these ships today?



Religious people will always explain to you that you are seeing God and Angles... What is the difference with us seeing Aliens and UFO's? It is simply a matter of INTERPRETATION using the data you have at hand during a given time period

I suppose it's not possible that those that created the Stargate you are talking about couldn't have based their representation on an old painting. 

VERY possible The makers of Stargate SG1 did their homework at finding the gate representaions in history, mythology and religions around the world

But you are forgeting something... If there were no Stargates or Portals... then WHY do all religions speak of "Gateways to the Gods"  or "Ladders into Heaven" (usually with an added door or portal)  "Rainbow Bridge to Asgard"  All the old text speak of portal as being the gateway or crossing point to the other world. THEY called it Heaven... but back then they had no other reference

We have no choice but to look at Religious art and cave drawings   That is all we have... (and the written descriptions)

[rdunk]

Yes.

Although I didn't study art history myself I helped my sister in some of her art history assignments while she was taking her five years university art course, so I expect to see things like that in paintings from the XV to the XVIII century, specially those with a religious theme, that were usually the result of the painter being hired to create a specific piece for some rich person or family.

I found an explanation of what we see in these paintings in this page.

ArMaP, the "this page" link you provided did give us much related info on these and similar paintings. thaanks for sharing!