Laputa the Floating City

[ArMaP]

True there were MANY of them Like THIS painting   

Those are not "glories", a glory is a halo of light. I think those are supposed to be clouds but the painter was not very good or too lazy.

Religious people will always explain to you that you are seeing God and Angles... What is the difference with us seeing Aliens and UFO's? It is simply a matter of INTERPRETATION using the data you have at hand during a given time period

I agree, even during the same time period everyone is always affected by their own bias (resulting from the environment in which they were raised and all the influences they had during their life) when interpreting any piece of data, that's why we can have people today saying that people going naked on the top of a mountain were responsible for an earthquake, for example.

But you are forgeting something... If there were no Stargates or Portals... then WHY do all religions speak of "Gateways to the Gods"  or "Ladders into Heaven" (usually with an added door or portal)  "Rainbow Bridge to Asgard"  All the old text speak of portal as being the gateway or crossing point to the other world. THEY called it Heaven... but back then they had no other reference

That may be the result of things lost in translation. Heaven is a good example, as in Portuguese we have only one word (céu) for sky and heaven, so if I say that I saw something in the "céu" what am I talking about, "sky" or "heaven"?

I read once that some ancient civilization called "hell" to a specific part of the country south of them, not underground, but the same name was later used to mean the underground "hell".

We have no choice but to look at Religious art and cave drawings   That is all we have... (and the written descriptions)

But when we look at those we are looking at the product of the time they were made and of the interpretation made by the people that made them (or the people that was paying for them, as was mostly the case of those religious paintings).

PS: If you were a painter and someone paid you a lot of money to paint a religious scene the way that person thought it should be what would you do?

[Sinny]

The Ascension Of Jesus

Lets have a look at the paintings showing that..



Here we see again a round disk (or portal) flying in the sky (an angel each side for lift)

But this looks exactly like the Winged Disks of Assyrian Sumeria and Egypt (with the wings depicted as Angels

Point is the thing is flying  above the people... and this again is referred to as the GLORY....





So yes it is true that back then free thought was punnishable by torture and death   But if you substitute UFO for The GLORY  it makes more sense



And if anyone looking at THIS image cannot see the Stargate similarity they are truely blind   Painted in 1445  even has the gate codes. This is expulsion from Paradise... through an obvious portal

The Buffy finale was all about stopping the God demon Glory from opening all portals to all other worlds...

[zorgon]

The Buffy finale was all about stopping the God demon Glory from opening all portals to all other worlds...

Dan Burisch says a similar thing  That they had to close all the Stargates to stop bad things from coming through

(I will go find that reference I think its on the Stargate section already)

Gog and MaGog were locked behind the gates  closed at BOTH ends  by someone or something yet unknown (it doesn't say God did it in the Qur'an  I will have to see if I can find it)

Skinwalker Ranch... Seems that portal activity stopped but the locked up the place and won't release details (Bigelow and NIDS... I need to copy that stuff from ATS )


And the very theme of Stargate is uncovering a buried portal and reopening it

[zorgon]

The Word "Porthole" is scriptural, both in the OT and NT:

Gen 28:12-17
Then he dreamed, and behold, a ladder was set up on the earth, and its top reached to heaven; and there the angels of God were ascending and descending on it. 13 And behold, the Lord stood above it and said: "I am the Lord God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac; the land on which you lie I will give to you and your descendants. 14 Also your descendants shall be as the dust of the earth; you shall spread abroad to the west and the east, to the north and the south; and in you and in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed. 15 Behold, I am with you and will keep you wherever you go, and will bring you back to this land; for I will not leave you until I have done what I have spoken to you." 16 Then Jacob awoke from his sleep and said, "Surely the Lord is in this place, and I did not know it." 17 And he was afraid and said, "How awesome is this place! This is none other than the house of God, and this is the gate {8179} of heaven!"

OT:8179 DOOR OR GATE
sha`ar (shah'-ar); from OT:8176 in its original sense; an opening, i.e. door or gate:
KJV - city, door, gate, port (X -er).

Rev 4:1
After these things I looked, and behold, a door {2374} standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, "Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this."

NT:2374 PORTAL OR ENTRANCE
NT:2374 thura (thoo'-rah); apparently a primary word [compare "door"]; a portal or entrance (the opening or the closure, literally or figuratively):
KJV - door, gate.

http://www.thequickenedword.com/rhema/JacobsLadderandThePorthole.htm

[zorgon]

The Name of The Mountain

"In Japanese Buddhist philosophy, a giant mountain called Mount Sumeru (Shumisen) was believed to stand at the center of the world."  from Japanese Connection

"In popular Indian cosmography Mt. Sumeru a magnificient mountain of gold and gems shaped like a cup or the seed vessel of the lotus, was believed  to form the center of the world, where all the planets revolved around it. from India China Connection

Sumeru (Sanskrit) or Sineru (Pâli) is the name of the central world-mountain in Buddhist cosmology.
Etymologically, the proper name of the mountain is Meru (Pâli Meru), to which is added the approbatory prefix su-, resulting in the meaning "excellent Meru" or "wonderful Meru".

Other Names denoting the same mountain:

Mount Sumeru (Shumisen)(Shumisen-gi) - Japan
Madala Mountain
Cosmic Mountain


Painting of Mount Meru found in Buddhist cave sanctuary in Chinese Turkestan
This image is a very good representation of the hour-glass shape of the mountain with the gateway or "golden city" on top

So again  A Golden City in the clouds... at the other end of an hour glass shaped (wormhole) passage

[zorgon]

Those are not "glories", a glory is a halo of light. I think those are supposed to be clouds but the painter was not very good or too lazy.

Look at it AGAIN the 'halo of light' is sitting ON the cloud with two people inside and there is a dome over the whole thing The "halo of light" is likely the WINDOW   And what is that rectangle beside his arm? A control panel or monitor in the back?

It is also easier to paint a random cloud then it is to shape a cloud into a classic UFO shape and there are several classic UFO;s in there

I agree, even during the same time period everyone is always affected by their own bias (resulting from the environment in which they were raised and all the influences they had during their life) when interpreting any piece of data, that's why we can have people today saying that people going naked on the top of a mountain were responsible for an earthquake, for example.

I thought it was Jeans that were responsible for earthquakes and abortion for the drought in California   But yes we agree on that

SO If someone paints a picture of an Angel waving to shepherds from a glowing floating object to make an announcement to people on the ground... we can then take the context and say that was a flying craft . Saying in debunk that "it is ONLY the annunciation to the shepherds" does not debunk anything  in fact it verifies it

That may be the result of things lost in translation.

Not only translation, but interpretation, editing and deliberate obfuscation by the powers in control at the time.  "Hey Robin... look at that weird flying thing up there!"  Bishop of Cantebury: "hat is no "weird flying thing"  that is an Angel in a Glory" 

Heaven is a good example, as in Portuguese we have only one word (céu) for sky and heaven, so if I say that I saw something in the "céu" what am I talking about, "sky" or "heaven"?

Depends on several factors 1) Contest 2) who is saying it.. 3) tone of voice

"That is a hot car"

What do I mean?

Well I live in Vegas... I go outside and get in the car that has been in the sun all day It is 145 F inside the car The metal burns your hand.  You that is a HOT car

But if I am a cop (or a criminal) it means that the car is STOLEN

On the other hand if I am a California Beach Bum... I am really saying that is a COOL car

So translating "That is a hot car" into Portuguese what does it tell you? "Isso é um carro quente"

I read once that some ancient civilization called "hell" to a specific part of the country south of them, not underground, but the same name was later used to mean the underground "hell".

Well HELL as the Christians know it today was invented by Dante under commission to the RC church. He had a sick mind and they contracted him to depict hell so bad they could scare everyone. Luther figured out there was no Hell as describes and created Lutheranism

Oddly enough the Fallen Angels were cast down to Earth  so that means THEY were true ET and THIS is Hell

It is all a matter of interpretation. The fact that we have three major religions each with hundreds of splinter groups all using a different interpretation means none of them have the TRUTH

But when we look at those we are looking at the product of the time they were made and of the interpretation made by the people that made them (or the people that was paying for them, as was mostly the case of those religious paintings).

You forget one thing  Artistic Licence  Even today painter, commissioned or not, hide little clues and secret messages in paintings. One silly one was the Pawn Stars  They made family portraits but refused the one guy (who wasn't family) to get his done. Well he was the one who found the artist so he had her put him into each painting  In one the guy was holding a dollar bill... so the face on the dollar was the left out one   It was funny.

THIS painting of Jesus and the 12  has several hidden codes but then it IS a Rosicrucian painting  But at the time they were still a secret organiztion 

PS: If you were a painter and someone paid you a lot of money to paint a religious scene the way that person thought it should be what would you do?

IF I had different view points  (an artists are the most intuitve people on the planet) I would hide little codes in the painting  big enough to be seen and come up with a plausible reason that would make the Patron happy

In fact it is now KNOWN that many such messages WERE hidden in old paintings  So  Shall I point out a few?

[thorfourwinds]

It's more like asking NASA to explain how a rocket works.

But NASA buys its rocket engines from Russia.   

Should the Russian government yank its supply of rocket engines for United States launches, critical national-security satellite missions could be delayed up to four years, experts told a joint Senate hearing Wednesday (July 16).

[thorfourwinds]

starting with the 'crucifixion' blood on the foot?

[zorgon]

starting with the 'crucifixion' blood on the foot?

How about the BRAIN?

Michelangelo's "The Creation of Adam" has endured not only as the most famous of the Sistine Chapel panels, but also as one of the single most iconic images of humanity.

Michelangelo is recognized as one of the greatest painters and sculptors from the Italian Renaissance. What is not so widely known is that he was an avid student of anatomy who, at the age of 17, began dissecting corpses from the church graveyard.

Now, a pair of American experts in neuroanatomy believe that Michelangelo did leave some anatomical illustrations behind in one of his most famous works - the Sistine Chapel.

While some might dismiss this as a coincidence, experts suggest that it would be harder to explain that this was not Michelangelo's intention. Even complex components within the brain, such as the cerebellum, optic chiasm, and pituitary gland can all be found in the picture. As for that sassy green sash running down the pons/spinal column/dude who is holding God up, it follows the path of the vertebral artery perfectly.

[zorgon]

Prophet Zechariah: Flipping Off The Religious Authority



The tension between Julius II and Michelangelo is well documented. Historians note that Michelangelo portrayed the pope in effigy as the prophet Zechariah, and that one of the Angels located behind him makes an extremely obscene gesture.

What that adorable little baby is doing with his finger is called "the fig" and its meaning is not nearly as sweet. By sticking his thumb in between his index and middle fingers, he's making an old world gesture that basically means "f*ck you."


So my POINT is that artists regularly add little messages into their art work

[zorgon]

BTW ArMaP  in the Mary with the UFP picture..

...did you happen to notice tha the Baby Jesus has a nice 6 Pack Abs?





Mona Lisa: A Real Hidden Code in Her Eyes



Intrigue is usually focused on her enigmatic smile. However, when viewed under a microscope, historians in Italy have discovered that by magnifying the eyes of the "Mona Lisa" tiny numbers and letters can be seen.

Experts say the barely distinguishable letters and numbers represent something of a real-life Da Vinci Code: in the right eye appear to be the letters LV which could well stand for his name, Leonardo Da Vinci, while in the left eye there are also symbols but they are not as defined. Of course, it's very difficult to make them out clearly but they appear to be the letters CE, or it could be the letter B. In the arch of the bridge in the background the number 72 can be seen, or it could be an L and the number 2. Also, the number 149, with a fourth number erased, appears behind the picture, which suggests that Da Vinci painted it when he was in Milan in the 1490s.

You have to remember that the ­picture is almost 500 years old, so it is not as sharp and clear as when it was originally painted.

[zorgon]

As to that painting of Jesus, the Rosicrucian one,,, there is THIS code



So the argument that there would be NOTHING UNUSUAL in old religious paintings is obviously FALSE


And I can't WAIT to hear what these things are in this painting of Moses and WHY he has HORNS

[ArMaP]

And what is that rectangle beside his arm? A control panel or monitor in the back?

I don't know, but there's another one on the opposite side, outside the glory.
Both those rectangles look out of place, as if they were cut from the painting.

It is also easier to paint a random cloud then it is to shape a cloud into a classic UFO shape and there are several classic UFO;s in there

I disagree, I think a cloud is harder to paint than a classic UFO shape. Also, that painting is supposed to show the miracle of the snow, and we can see the snow better on this version.

I thought it was Jeans that were responsible for earthquakes and abortion for the drought in California   But yes we agree on that

It's a different case.

SO If someone paints a picture of an Angel waving to shepherds from a glowing floating object to make an announcement to people on the ground... we can then take the context and say that was a flying craft . Saying in debunk that "it is ONLY the annunciation to the shepherds" does not debunk anything  in fact it verifies it

We can say what we want, it doesn't make it true. If the witnesses said that they saw an angel announcing the birth of Jesus to the shepherds why transform that into someone on a craft? Aren't you implying that your bias is better than the witnesses bias? That's the same thing as saying that the people that see UFOs are only seeing Venus or swamp gas.

Not only translation, but interpretation, editing and deliberate obfuscation by the powers in control at the time.  "Hey Robin... look at that weird flying thing up there!"  Bishop of Cantebury: "hat is no "weird flying thing"  that is an Angel in a Glory" 

What I meant was that translation is enough to change a large part of a story.

Depends on several factors 1) Contest 2) who is saying it.. 3) tone of voice

I know, I do translations at work.

You forget one thing  Artistic Licence

I did not forget it, but if there are other paintings with the same type of object I don't think it was a personal touch from the painter that made that one.

THIS painting of Jesus and the 12  has several hidden codes but then it IS a Rosicrucian painting  But at the time they were still a secret organiztion 

Hidden codes or not, that painter was not very good. 

IF I had different view points  (an artists are the most intuitve people on the planet) I would hide little codes in the painting  big enough to be seen and come up with a plausible reason that would make the Patron happy

But we are talking about something that appears in other paintings, from other artists, from slightly different time periods.

In fact it is now KNOWN that many such messages WERE hidden in old paintings  So  Shall I point out a few?

Only if the situations are similar.

[ArMaP]

But NASA buys its rocket engines from Russia.   

Irrelevant.

[ArMaP]

So my POINT is that artists regularly add little messages into their art work

They do, but not as objects that also appear in representations from that specific scene made by other painters, as in this case.

PS: it doesn't look to me like the angel is doing "the fig", I don't see his thumb between the index and the middle finger, that looks more like wishful thinking from whoever wrote that.