Could Salla Be Correct?

[Eighthman]

Michael Salla recently brought up some odd coincidences in regard to stories about colonies on Mars. Congress recently worked on a Space Mining Bill - which seems bizarre. The US depends on Russian rockets for heavy lifting and we are a long way off from mining asteroids (at least, from a conventional viewpoint).

Why the hurry on setting up a legal framework for space mining?  Salla repeats the Corey stories about disclosure of a Mars colony in the near future - with the thought that they may be in a hurry to 'legalize' what they've done.

I cannot imagine Full Disclosure ever happening unless the US can be prevented from turning it into a false flag opportunity (as in "Aliens! Invading !! Panic !!).  There is also a need to overcome the Brookings Institute objection that exposing a superior alien culture could wreck human society.  Exposing the advanced technology of a Mars colony could mitigate this effect - and US hegemony/credibility appear to be in rapid decline.

Or it could be yet another false hope.......

[Pimander]

Michael Salla recently brought up some odd coincidences in regard to stories about colonies on Mars. Congress recently worked on a Space Mining Bill - which seems bizarre.

I'd say it makes sense to have a bill.

The US depends on Russian rockets for heavy lifting and we are a long way off from mining asteroids (at least, from a conventional viewpoint).

They are not really entirely dependent on the Russians.  The US military has heavy lifting capacity.

08/28/13  Delta 4H      D364? NROL 65           ~17000  VA6   254x999x97.9      LEO/S

http://www.spacelaunchreport.com/logeelv.txt

The part that says 17000 is 17tonnes.  That was a National Reconnaissance Office payload (officially).  If you want to lift 50 tonnes you only need to launch that 3 times.

I suspect they have higher lift capacity but won't tell us.

Why the hurry on setting up a legal framework for space mining?

Because they intend to mine.

I cannot imagine Full Disclosure ever happening unless the US can be prevented from turning it into a false flag opportunity (as in "Aliens! Invading !! Panic !!).

Scientists in the UK have already detected ET life.

[Eighthman]

And yet,  Senator McCain loudly protests about a possible 7 year delay in replacing Russia lifters.  Buzz Aldrin  publicly laments how pathetic NASA efforts have become.  Private re-supply to the space station blows up and Russia has to help - and a bill to mine asteroids seems timely ?

[Eighthman]

I have done various searches here and can find no reference to UK scientists proving ET life.   Such a discovery would be wonderful....

[astr0144]

Not sure it is 100% proven as yet ....but this article does seem to suggest high possibilities. I also thought more would have been said about it if they really believe what they are observing is evidence of ET Life or civilisations.



Have we found alien life? Astronomers discover 50 galaxies that may be home to advanced civilisations

   
About 50 galaxies have unusually high levels of mid-infrared radiation. They could result from natural astronomical processes - or it could indicate the presence of a highly advanced civilisation...


NASA/JPL-Caltech Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer (WISE)
Glimpse: Research using NASA's Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer (WISE) has raised the possibility of alien life

The tantalising possibility of life beyond our solar system has been raised by an incredible discovery.

A team of scientists have detected around 50 galaxies emitting radiation that could indicate an advanced energy-wielding civilisation.

A team from Penn State University in the US searched 100,000 galaxies for signs of highly advanced extraterrestrial life using observations from NASA's WISE orbiting observatory.

"Whether an advanced space-faring civilisation uses the large amounts of energy from its galaxy's stars to power computers, space flight, communication, or something we can't yet imagine, fundamental thermodynamics tells us that this energy must be radiated away as heat in the mid-infrared wavelengths," said Jason T. Wright, assistant professor of astronomy and astrophysics at the Center for Exoplanets and Habitable Worlds at Penn State University.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/found-alien-life-astronomers-discover-5531496

I have done various searches here and can find no reference to UK scientists proving ET life.   Such a discovery would be wonderful...

Scientists in the UK have already detected ET life

I cannot imagine Full Disclosure ever happening unless the US can be prevented from turning it into a false flag opportunity (as in "Aliens! Invading !! Panic !!).
.

[Pimander]

And yet,  Senator McCain loudly protests about a possible 7 year delay in replacing Russia lifters.  Buzz Aldrin  publicly laments how pathetic NASA efforts have become.

The US has space lifting capacity that is not NASA.  They do not send classified payloads like spy satellites into orbit aboard Russian craft obviously.  See Vandenberg AFB.

I have done various searches here and can find no reference to UK scientists proving ET life.   Such a discovery would be wonderful....

Microfossils in comet dust and meteorites support panspermia

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2955620/Did-aliens-send-metal-orb-seed-life-Earth-Microscopic-sphere-contain-microorganisms-claims-astrobiologist.html

[Eighthman]

I find it regrettable that the mainstream scientific attitude towards panspermia seems to be one of immediate dismissal.  You read comments like 'oh, that was published in Journal of Cosmology' with no further analysis.

It would seem rather 'cart before the horse' to expect disclosure of intelligent aliens without first funding some lichens on Mars or something similarly primitive.

Another interesting coincidence is the seeming re-appearance of  explosive Wikileaks info.  Real 'above the noise' stuff about the US doing heavy spying on France and Germany, including businesses. Also, info that supports Greek attitudes on debt - and the astonishing hack on US databases by China, supposedly.  Hope spring eternal.

[zorgon]

Michael Salla recently brought up some odd coincidences in regard to stories about colonies on Mars. Congress recently worked on a Space Mining Bill - which seems bizarre. The US depends on Russian rockets for heavy lifting and we are a long way off from mining asteroids (at least, from a conventional viewpoint).

It IS Bizarre  because NO ONE has jurisdiction beyond the 200 mile limit. Just like out at sea, a captain in international waters is King

Possession is required. Even if NASA did put some flags on the moon, they did not stay and occupy. You cannot claim squatters rights if your not there

No NASA depends on Russia because the Military will NOT give NASA a ride... simple as that.  I am surprised that anyone on Pegasus does not know the REAL space program... DO read the Naval Space Command thread



United Launch Alliance Vandenburg, Cape Kennedy, Kwajalien Atoll

http://www.ulalaunch.com/

Why the hurry on setting up a legal framework for space mining?

Because of US...

Back in 2006 when I met John Lear I also discovered Dr Joe Resnick... a NASA contractor that holds several NASA patents and 23 top secret patents. He and two partners put a claim on all the mineral rights in the solar system...  This was possible because of a loop hole in space treaty at the UN and the fact that the US NEVER signed the space treaty  Neither did Russia

The Lunar Embassy and several others that have sold LAND on the moon and Mars made MILLIONS.  And it is perfectly legal. WHY? Because NO EARTH COURT has jurisdiction in space. The FAA may have jurisdiction on Earth to prevent you launching but beyond the 200 mile limit NO ONE HAS

Mining rights on earth work like THIS... You find the minerals, and you file a claim (about $30-40.00 a year)  YOU then are responsible to STAKE that claim and YOU MUST WORK that claim or lose it.  The filed claim only gives you the RIGHT to go stake it first.  This applies even to private property  Few land owners own the mineral rights so if there is oil or gold on your land I can file a claim and YOU need to allow me access to get it. Usually mining companies cut you in, but are not obligated to do so


So HOW are WE responsible for the rush in figuring out mining issues?  Because Dr Joe and us released the claim publicly, There is a thread here on that started by Ellirium... He found a public outcry against our claim the same day I was going to post the info here

Robert Bigelow came out in public  speaking of mining claims as a direct response to contact from Joe  (seems Joe and Robert have issues that go back to NASA )

The US government announce they want to encourage private enterprise getting out there...

All triggered by our release... yet we have not had major sales come in yet because we need proper marketing skills

Paulie made the promo video  with some excellent Rover footage provided by NASA





The website has been up since that first announcement

http://umlr.net/

Salla repeats the Corey stories about disclosure of a Mars colony in the near future - with the thought that they may be in a hurry to 'legalize' what they've done.

And land or mineral claims once filed still require OCCUPATION.  You have to go there and stake a claim and build on that claim and it is YOURS.

THERE IS NO COURT ON EARTH that has ANY JURISDICTION ON MARS  PERIOD!!!

Even the US NAVY on their Clementine website posted THIS in 1994 on the NAVY Clementine Mission page

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/00temp/NRL_Disclaimer.png

[zorgon]

I find it regrettable that the mainstream scientific attitude towards panspermia seems to be one of immediate dismissal.  You read comments like 'oh, that was published in Journal of Cosmology' with no further analysis.

This is really very simple..

IF they support the idea of panspermia they would be publicly admitting that God did NOT create life on Earth

Even if they believe it themselves, they would soon be out of a job if they announced it publicly.  I just now had some Jesus sellers come to the door, wanted me to come to a meeting to tell me how God is going to wipe us out and Jesus will save me...

I WISH I had a panspemia brochure      I could leave it on all the cars that come to the Mormon house nest door every week

[zorgon]

And yet,  Senator McCain loudly protests about a possible 7 year delay in replacing Russia lifters.

McCain is an asshole...  We have had Heavy Lifters for a very long time

I suggest reading THIS

ZORGON'S TEST

I promised to update that and I will do that this week if everything stays calm. read that and get back to me. And its NOT like any of this is secret anymore. When I first posted that test at ATS, none of the info was easy to find. Now it is all over the place  for those who bother to look

Read that paper CAREFULLY It is only one small page

Buzz Aldrin  publicly laments how pathetic NASA efforts have become.

Buzz Aldrin is a senior science advisor and partner in Gravwave LLC a company working on Anti Gravity with the CHINESE.  He also makes a statement on the CHINESE in this video

Private re-supply to the space station blows up and Russia has to help - and a bill to mine asteroids seems timely

Has it occured to anyone that these explosions are SABOTAGE?  Branson's Spaceship 2 explodes also  setting Virgin Galactic back several years, and he even build a spaceport in Arizona.  Now SpaceX?  And a Russian one not so long ago?

Have we forgotten how to make rockets? ULA has had no explosions or losses... so what is the REAL story?

When you read that TEST paper  you will see TWO items mentioned  (yes I will give you 2 of the 10 "answers" because I already posted the answers in the space command thread

At the top it says Starcraft Boosters  and in the paper it mentions the Aquilla Cargo Transport

If anyone here remembers It was the Aquilla launched to the moon three months BEFORE Apollo 11 that made Jack Arneson join Pegasus... (Jack passed away suddenly last Oct 2014 RIP Jack) The Aquilla Cargo Transport is also mentioned in a movie  the "Chronicles of Riddick" as the ship that transports the miners and the ore to the mining colonies

People say they are waiting for disclosure.... yet it is all around you if you pay attention

Go read that paper again All of you   Read it carefully for the TEN KEY POINTS

WHO IS STARCRAFT BOOSTERS?

http://buzzaldrin.com/space-vision/rocket_science/starbooster/

And what about that AQUILLA mentioned in that TEST PAPER that caused Jack Arneson to join?  (Read HIS story on the Aquilla launched from KWAJALIEN)

Look on that link above  It is now in the open You simply need to LOOK



http://buzzaldrin.com/space-vision/rocket_science/aquila/

The Delta IV Heavy Lifter from Boeing mentioned in the TEST PAPER

Bigger than the shuttle system and they have been launching them for YEARS

[zorgon]

And yet,  Senator McCain loudly protests about a possible 7 year delay in replacing Russia lifters.

That 7 year delay is for the ORION spacecraft  An attempt to do the colony thing   If there really is a Mars colony already there in secret, that would explain a lot

[zorgon]

Scientists in the UK have already detected ET life.

Oh no you don't

LINKS PLEASE

[astr0144]

I thought that he was referring to the link I posted...and it was something discovered recently new..

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/found-alien-life-astronomers-discover-5531496

But he has posted other links that I think is from some time back as far as 2010...if you recheck 

Oh no you don't

LINKS PLEASE

[Eighthman]

I'm rather confused here in trying to sort this all out.  Zorgon's Test is confusing because of the way things are phrased - it seems to bounce back and forth between what IS and what may be in the future. Likewise with Buzz Aldrin's website - is he trying to develop heavy, reusable boosters or HAS HE ALREADY developed them?

Sorry to seem dense, but if such capability exists, I don't comprehend McCain's anger towards the defense establishment.  Who cares about more RD-180's (and the Atlas V that integrated them) if they have Aquilas and Delta's available? Such a situation would suggest a totally Gonzo governance that includes complete disregard of Congress as irrelevant.

More than that, I feel some skepticism about what would be a bizarre mix of technologies used in these 'BreakAway Civilization' ideas.  You have kerosene/LOX boosters lifting while TR-3B stuff zips around (and encounters aliens who tell us, 'go home warmongers').  Imagine a shipping company using modern container vessels AND archaic Yankee Clippers ('hoist the mainsail'). 

I DO like the idea that any mining claims require occupation/active use. That might explain a lot, if I correctly understand your drift.

[The Seeker]

I'm rather confused here in trying to sort this all out.  Zorgon's Test is confusing because of the way things are phrased - it seems to bounce back and forth between what IS and what may be in the future. Likewise with Buzz Aldrin's website - is he trying to develop heavy, reusable boosters or HAS HE ALREADY developed them?

Eightman, if you read the document, it is not stated as going to happen, but rather as already happening; as for the Aquila, they have been in use since the 60's...
the tech gap between what they have and what the talk about is roughly 40 years...

Sorry to seem dense, but if such capability exists, I don't comprehend McCain's anger towards the defense establishment.  Who cares about more RD-180's (and the Atlas V that integrated them) if they have Aquilas and Delta's available? Such a situation would suggest a totally Gonzo governance that includes complete disregard of Congress as irrelevant.

You seem to not comprehend that military hardware sitting behind a classified designation is off limits to everyone...

NASA is naught but a dog and pony show for the mind numbed masses; Joe Sixpack  is too busy trying to survive while listening to the crap on tv and playing with their phone whilst drooling over the poop on facepoop...

More than that, I feel some skepticism about what would be a bizarre mix of technologies used in these 'BreakAway Civilization' ideas.  You have kerosene/LOX boosters lifting while TR-3B stuff zips around (and encounters aliens who tell us, 'go home warmongers').  Imagine a shipping company using modern container vessels AND archaic Yankee Clippers ('hoist the mainsail'). 

it's all about power and $$$$

I DO like the idea that any mining claims require occupation/active use. That might explain a lot, if I correctly understand your drift.

explains that if someone is already actively mining the moon for HE3 [which seems to be a very distinct possibility] then steps to bluster thru that it is a legal and binding situation and falls back to there being occupied mining camps already in place...

Let me put it this way; since THEY are now admitting that Area 51 was used to test and develope the U2, SR-71, and the F-117, just how much would you conjecture ThEY have had in the works out there that isn't public knowledge?



seeker