Could Salla Be Correct?

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

I like the phrase 'after Apollo 17 we didn't go back',, hell we've always been there. Just not NASA!

[zorgon]

I wonder why THIS is now getting public attention?

[zorgon]

I'm rather confused here in trying to sort this all out.

try THIS from Jack's intro

While in the Army and stationed in Thailand from Aug, 1968 to Sep. '69, I had a friend in the Air Force who was also an amateur photographer and his occupation was in radar. On a few occasions he took me to radar tracking rooms and  showed me around in the non-sensitive areas. And on other occasions to the photo lab on off-duty hours and showed me some very interesting photos of UFO's taken by reconnaissance aircraft and F-4 Phantom fighters on patrol. Although they were not very good photographically speaking, one could tell they weren't conventional aircraft.
  One day when we both had the same day off, he visited me at my base because we had a good beach to R & R, with an outdoor bar and open air theater. The two bases were only a couple of miles apart on the southern coast of Thailand. My base was Camp Samae San and his was Utapao Air Base. 

  We were talking about the photos of the UFO's and tracking them when he said: " I'm going to tell you something that's up and coming and I just might be able to get clearance for you to be in the room. He and I took a walk down the beach and he pulled out a mimeographed copy of a carbon copy of a memo. It was a planned launch in a couple of months at a Marshall Islands launch site. Nothing really interesting at first I thought, until he told me what it was for.

  The memo was addressed to a Colonel with a description of a planned experiment on a launch vehicle and cargo transport for a Moon mission. No other info in it about when or what mission.

  At the top in the heading it was addressed as:

  Memo to some Colonel and no TS or EO designation for secret, just a bunch of abbreviated location codes in the To and From lines.

Subject: Heavy Lift Launch

The last line in the heading read:   
Code Name: AQUILA

I remember this name because I pronounced it wrong. I know some "Street Spanish" (my polite term for Mexican swear words and phrases) and kept saying: ________ It looked Mexican to me. 

  He said: "Just remember Tequila". And then it came out "Aquila".

  This really interested me because of the upcoming Apollo 11 mission and I was going to miss it! (I would still be in Thailand) No TV in Thailand at that time, only Newsreels when they showed a movie. And they were 3 months older than current events. So I knew I wouldn't see the transmissions until I rotated back to the US.  I asked him if they were going to track the A11 too and he said: "We track everything"! 

  I couldn't get clearance to join in the tracking of the experimental launch and it really disappointed me. He did tell me the launch went as planned and was successful. The A11 launch wasn't for two more months and he thought we could figure something out by then for that one. When the time neared, he told me he tried to help with the paper work at his end but was told I have no affiliation with any of their projects, so no dice. We were both upset about it and he told me: "When the time is right, I'll show you something that will probably change your life".

  That day was the last time I heard or saw of him. No info on his whereabouts when I looked for him, nobody new nothin'. I didn't have his home address or anything. Just that he was from Texas. (not his real home State) And he has or had, a common last name.

rest here
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/Ufo_Incident.htm

[zorgon]

Now READ THIS VERY CAREFULLY mindfull of the date


I used to work at the Pacific Testing Range (now the Reagan Test Site) at Kwajalein Atoll in the Marshall Islands in 1968.  One night we were waiting for an incoming from Vandenberg.  As the reentry was at night and we were not working, we stood on top of the barracks waiting for the event.  While waiting someone noticed that there were some moving lights in the sky.  'Oh, those are the AWAC planes that monitor the reentry,' someone said.  Then another said.  'Well, on a similar night when we were waiting for the reentry,  I noticed a strange "star" near the Eastern horizon.  It seemed to twinkle in an odd fashion.  Then all of a sudden, it zooms across the sky to a point almost straight above, then zoomed back to another point on the Eastern Horizon.'  We all agreed that that was pretty weird as any sizable object at any significant distance would have to move at an incredible rate to do that.  Another person then said:  'I used to work at the White Sands Proving Grounds.  One morning while going to the camera site we saw a glowing object hovering above the desert floor at some distance.  We rushed to the theodolite camera site and started it up.  We tracked the object for some time and recorded it on several kinds of film.  We then went back to the lab and processed the film.   We noted that the object did appear on the film.  Because the rules then in place for such things, we contacted the Air Force security and they came and took the film.  We never saw or heard about again.'

Dr X


Some of you may recall who Dr X is... and no I never published this before

The key point?  in 1968...  Let this sink in

One night we were waiting for an incoming from Vandenberg.  As the reentry was at night

[Eighthman]

OK, (as this gets somewhat Socratic in form) this would bring up another mystery as to why the US space effort evidently underwent a massive conversion from a reasonably transparent civilian effort via NASA into a vast secretive military mission, beyond most folks imagining. Was there a specific trigger?

I am guessing here that whatever 'TR-3' stuff the US has, it is insufficient somehow for cargo transport, as to size or weight - and thus the reliance on heavy rocket boosters.

If this stuff is mostly true, then the world must be facing a problem analogous to a gigantic rubber band in a cartoon featuring Wile E. Coyote - a hidden collection of truths stretched beyond belief, ready to snap at any instant (like a Wikileaks revelation on steroids).

I thought Salla/Wilcock were just building castles in the air and you guys come up with 'bricks n' mortar'.

[zorgon]

OK, (as this gets somewhat Socratic in form) this would bring up another mystery as to why the US space effort evidently underwent a massive conversion from a reasonably transparent civilian effort via NASA into a vast secretive military mission, beyond most folks imagining. Was there a specific trigger?

perhaps...

Also NASA Dryden Research Center in Palmdale (next to Edwards AFB) recently changed names to Armstrong Center... and has currently stopped all public tours to the center. LSWONE no longer works there so we have no onside poop anymore on that place

The "Secret Space Plane"  that John and I talked about years ago ay ATS (before some amateur satellite tracker spotted it forcing them to make a statement) flies out of Vandenburg.

Is there more than one? Most likely but we don't know. What does it do on those long missions? Where does it go? We know when they launch, but not what it does and it can change orbit.

It is obviously NOT being used to resupply the ISS in a time of need... NASA still has to beg the Russians to do that

I am guessing here that whatever 'TR-3' stuff the US has, it is insufficient somehow for cargo transport, as to size or weight - and thus the reliance on heavy rocket boosters.

Which begs the question WHAT is so heavy that they need to make so many launches? Surely a few months of food and water is not all that is going up.

If this stuff is mostly true, then the world must be facing a problem analogous to a gigantic rubber band in a cartoon featuring Wile E. Coyote - a hidden collection of truths stretched beyond belief, ready to snap at any instant (like a Wikileaks revelation on steroids).

This has been our contention all along... since 1954 when the Secret Astronaut Corp formed BEFORE NASA was created   Don't forget that Werner von Braun was working on an ARMY Moon Base and Walt Disney was part of the coverup

[Eighthman]

The words of Ben Rich ring true: "it would take an act of God" to release these advanced Alien-related technologies to the world - and the world does not realize that this situation is the cause of the mess the earth is in. Whether it is hopeless debt, warmongering everywhere, fracking, terrorism,  - you name it - we suffer from the tensions derived from our 'arrested development' as a technological civilization.

The above is why I obsess over recent events (and follow alternative/Russian news), looking for developments that can neutralize US hegemony and force Disclosure.  Churchill once observed that the US will always do the right thing, after they have tried everything else.  I think the change may come if the Elite simply lose all confidence.  This is partly how Communism fell - because of a widespread loss of faith among its leadership, followed by economic disaster.  If the polls are true, Americans confidence in their institutions are at historic lows but whistleblowing and Wikileaks would be the critical trigger...............

[Pimander]

Oh no you don't

LINKS PLEASE

See above.

It also surprises me how frequently I hear AMERICANS who think they need the Russians for heavy lift capacity.

[The Seeker]

OK, (as this gets somewhat Socratic in form) this would bring up another mystery as to why the US space effort evidently underwent a massive conversion from a reasonably transparent civilian effort via NASA into a vast secretive military mission, beyond most folks imagining. Was there a specific trigger?

what makes you sure it was ever transparent? The military programs have always been separate from and preceded first NACA and then NASA; again, a public display to draw attention away from the rest of the events, a curtain to help conceal the majority, akin to a stage magician's sleight of hand...

I thought Salla/Wilcock were just building castles in the air and you guys come up with 'bricks n' mortar'.

Most people are trained from birth to stay inside the lines and never think outside the box of programmed info being stuffed inside their noggins; fortunately, there has always been a percentage unwilling to accept many things at face value as displayed before them, curious enough to actually look to see if the emperor is actually naked or wearing clothes...

Zorgon and John Lear entered into my sphere of awareness quite a few years ago and spurred me to look ever deeper into the shaded realms and innumerable rabbit holes of available info just waiting to be examined...

You want disclosure? Watch "the day the earth stood still" and read Ingo Swann's [RIP] "Penetration"...

That is as close as you will get...

seeker

[Pimander]

Disclosure?