New Research Topic - The Airships of King Solomon

[zorgon]

New Research Topic - The Airships of King Solomon



This was sent to ne via FB from a friend in France

Michele Alran
Il existe en Orient une légende encore tenace qui prête au grand roi biblique l'usage d'un engin volant appelé l'aéronef de Salomon.

D'après le Kébra Nagast, le roi Salomon allait visiter son fils Ménélik 1er roi d'Ethiopie dans une « voiture céleste » : « Le roi et tous ceux qui lui obéissaient volèrent sur un chariot sans douleur ni souffrance, sans sueur ni effort, et parcoururent en un jour la distance que l'on fait en trois mois à pied. »

There exists in the East a persistent legend that alludes to the great biblical king's use of a flying vehicle called Solomon's aircraft.

According to the Kebra Nagast, King Solomon was going to visit his son Menelik, first king of Ethiopia in a "celestial car", "The King and all who obeyed him flew on a cart without pain or suffering, no sweat or effort, and traveled the distance in a day that is made in three months on foot. "

[spacemaverick]

In the picture that was shown I have seen these before...even as a lapel pin.  Even words in the Bible referring to flaming chariots makes a person wonder....this is an interesting topic indeed.

[zorgon]

Technology of the Gods: The Incredible Sciences of the Ancients

[zorgon]

In the picture that was shown I have seen these before...even as a lapel pin.

Yes the images used are the "airplanes" in gold found in Columbia (I think  will check in a sec)

Even words in the Bible referring to flaming chariots makes a person wonder....this is an interesting topic indeed

When I got into Ancient Aliens it was via Erick von Danekin and his first book "Chariots of the Gods"

He, with that cook, was pretty much the beginning of Ancient Astronaut theories.

Many stories in the Bible can easily be interpreted as spaceships and portals. They appear in all sorts of Medieval Artwork

Some terms are "Flaming Chariots", "Glowing Clouds"  (one that Jacob climbed a ladder to enter, one that descended onto the mountain where Moses wrote the tablets) "Ezekial's Wheels" (A book written by a NASA engineer out to debunk it ended up proving it could be)

One term the Christians use a lot is the GLORY... God travels in the GLORY  In many debunker tale about UFO's in ancient art they will say "No that is not a UFO that is a GLORY!"

Well  a "GLORY" seems to be a glowing flying object or a portal... BOTH are called GLORIES

[ArMaP]

Well  a "GLORY" seems to be a glowing flying object or a portal... BOTH are called GLORIES

The "glory" is (supposedly) only light.

[zorgon]

So to search for King Solomon's "Airship" we will look for;

THE GLORY OF KINGS

The Kebra Nagast, by E.A. Wallis Budge, [1932], at sacred-texts.com

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/kn/kn001.htm

[zorgon]

The "glory" is (supposedly) only light.

According to WHOM?

THIS is a GLORY  Depicted as a PORTAL with Jesus coming through











Mathew 16:27. For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels: and then will he render to every man according to his works.
Filius enim hominis venturus est in gloria Patris sui cum angelis suis et tunc reddet unicuique secundum opus eius
Mathew 24:27. For as lightning cometh out of the east and appeareth even into the west: so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Sicut enim fulgur exit ab oriente et paret usque in occidente ita erit et adventus Filii hominis

Mathew 24:29. And immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light and the stars shall fall from heaven and the powers of heaven shall be moved.*
Statim autem post tribulationem dierum illorum sol obscurabitur et luna non dabit lumen suum et stellae cadent de caelo et virtutes caelorum commovebuntur

Mathew 24:30. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven. And then shall all tribes of the earth mourn: and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with much power and majesty.*
Et tunc parebit signum Filii hominis in caelo et tunc plangent omnes tribus terrae et videbunt Filium hominis venientem in nubibus caeli cum virtute multa et maiestate

[zorgon]

In this painting found on a wood drawer from furniture kept at the Earls D'Oltremond, in Belgium, Moses is depicted receiving the tablets of the Ten Commandments, with "flaming horns." Several equally flaming objects are in the sky before him. The date and artist are unknown.



Exodus 19:9
The LORD said to Moses, "I am going to come to you in a dense cloud, so that the people will hear me speaking with you and will always put their trust in you." Then Moses told the LORD what the people had said.

Exodus 24:16
and the glory of the LORD settled on Mount Sinai. For six days the cloud covered the mountain, and on the seventh day the LORD called to Moses from within the cloud.

King James Bible
And Moses went up into the mount, and a cloud covered the mount.



Treasury of Scripture
And Moses went up into the mount, and a cloud covered the mount.

a cloud

Exodus 19:9,16 And the LORD said to Moses, See, I come to you in a thick cloud, ...

2 Chronicles 6:1 Then said Solomon, The LORD has said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.

Matthew 17:5 While he yet spoke, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and ...

http://biblehub.com/exodus/24-15.htm

[ArMaP]

According to WHOM?

Many definitions. Look at this one.
(Bold added by me)

The Christian sense are from the Latin word's use in the Bible to translate Greek doxa "expectation" (Homer), later "an opinion, judgment," and later still "opinion others have of one (good or bad), fame; glory," which was used in Biblical writing to translate a Hebrew word which had a sense of "brightness, splendor, magnificence, majesty of outward appearance." The religious use has colored that word's meaning in most European tongues. Wuldor was an Old English word used in this sense.

Once more, when looking at religious paintings you should learn about the rules of the different epochs.

[zorgon]

Once more, when looking at religious paintings you should learn about the rules of the different epochs.

What "Rules"?  people describe what they see in the sky based on what is popular at the time.  They had no airplanes... all they had as a transport vehical was a cart or chariot. Chariots were fast so we get "Flaming Chariots flying in the Sky"   

And since only a god would have such a chariot, they made up religions reasons for its existence.

Today we see a glowing object in the air we call it an Alien Flying Saucer 

So the rules are meaningless... you need to interpret sightings in the context of the meanings of the day

Like this one...  I can see this object being described as a "Flaming Shield"



And LO AND BEHOLD!!!!   Such a flaming shield was spotted



Many coins of this type contained mythological and allegorical scenes, and its mythology has found a literary reference that can explain the nature of the object round which is in the clouds and the earth. It may in fact represent 'Ancil, the sacred shield sent by Jupiter to the King of Rome, Numa Pompilius.
The legend is told in different versions, one of Ovid ( "Fasti, Book III ) Numa Pompilio said that it would decide to question Jupiter to be disclosed the secret to defend against its attacks. Jupiter asks in exchange for a human sacrifice, but that Numa is a peaceful man refuses and fails, with puns, to deceive God. Numa fears the wrath of Jupiter, but instead of angry god laughs for the wit and the king promises him the day after the revelation of the secret. The day after Numa Pompilius convene the representatives of the districts of Rome, and at noon, as promised, here is that of lightning pierce the sky that falls from an oval shield right at his feet. The same Jupiter, throwing the shield from the sky, does not know that Rome would have nothing to fear from his enemies as long as the shield was well guarded. The king is to thank god to sacrifice a heifer and the shield door in the sanctuary of your own home, but for fear that it may be stolen, it builds by the artisan Mamurio Veturius (meaning "old Mars') eleven perfectly equal, then commanding them to be carried by I got during the annual procession on March 2.

As for the coin (it is a jeton), I think it is depicting the ancile, the sacred shield sent from the sky to King Numa by Jupiter. Please read the following from Plutarch's Lives, Volume I:

In the eighth year of Numa's reign an epidemic raged throughout Italy, and afflicted the city of Rome. Now amidst the general distress it is related that a brazen shield fell from heaven into the hands of Numa. Upon this the king made an inspired speech, which he had learned from Egeria and the Muses. The shield, he said, came for the salvation of the city, and they must guard it, and make eleven more like it, so that no thief could steal the one that fell from heaven, because he could not tell which it was. Moreover the place and the meadows round about it, where he was wont to converse with the Muses, must be consecrated to them, and the well by which it was watered must be pointed out as holy water to the vestal virgins, that they might daily take some thence to purify and sprinkle their temple. The truth of this is said to have been proved by the immediate cessation of the plague. He bade workmen compete in imitating the shield, and, when all others refused to attempt it, Veturius Mamurius, one of the best workmen of the time, produced so admirable an imitation, and made all the shields so exactly alike, that even Numa himself could not tell which was the original. He next appointed the Salii to guard and keep them.
It was indeed OPPORTVNVS ADEST or 'here at an opportune time' as the shield saved the city from the plague.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_files/03files2/1680_UFO_on_Coin.html

[zorgon]

It always amazes me that modern skeptics have so much difficulty seeing that these old images do represent Unidentified Flying Objects back in the day and were simply INTERPRETED as having Religious significance because at that time, Religion was the only option for ANY explanations. Galileo almost got burned at the stake, the Church apologized and said he was right  350 years AFTER

Yet those same skeptics will vehemently argue that modern UFO sightings are all misinterpretations

You can't have it both ways

So what do your "rules" say about THIS one?

"Battesimo di Cristo" 1710
Aert De Gelder
(1645-1727)
Fitzwilliam Museum, Cambridge

[zorgon]

Many definitions.

Yes the word "GLORY" has many different meanings:

Noun
1. high renown or honor won by notable achievements.
"to fight and die for the glory of one's nation"
synonyms:   renown, fame, prestige, honor, distinction, kudos, eminence, acclaim, praise; More
2. magnificence; great beauty.
"the train has been restored to all its former glory"
synonyms:   magnificence, splendor, resplendence, grandeur, majesty, greatness, nobility; More

verb
1.  take great pride or pleasure in.
"they were individuals who gloried in their independence"
synonyms:   take pleasure in, revel in, rejoice in, delight in; relish, savor; congratulate oneself on, be proud of, boast about, bask in; informalget a kick out of, get a thrill out of
"we gloried in our independence"

A "Glory Hole" is found at every Dam



Then there is the atmospheric optical effect known as a "Glory"



Now the reason the one above is referred to as a "glory' is because it LOOKS LIKE a "Heavenly Apparition"    and it is those definitions that interest us for THIS thread

So we go to the RELIGIOUS Definitions of GLORY 
http://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/glory/

The ones that are relevant:

Natural Objects. When used in reference to natural objects "glory" may refer to the brightness of heavenly bodies ( Acts 22:11 ; 1 Col 15:41 )

God. The most significant use of the ideas of glory and majesty is their application to God. In this regard, it is sometimes stated that God's glory is the external manifestation of his being. God's glory is something that appears ( Exod 16:10 ), is revealed ( Isa 40:5 ), or can be seen ( Num 14:22 ). There is also a more fundamental sense in which God has glory prior to any external manifestation of it.

So the "Glory" is a physical manifestation that is visible and blinding to look at


Latest UFO Sightings Green Glowing UFO Captured Above USA


"The Annunciation with Saint Emidius" (1486)
Carlo Crivelli (1430-1495)
National Gallery, London




"Madonna col Bambino e San Giovannino"
(Madonna and Child with the Infant Saint John)
Attributed to Sebastiano Mainardi or Jacopo del Sellaio
Firenze, Palazzo Vecchio Museum, Sala d'Ercole

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_files/04images/Paintings/Foppa68_294_01.jpg
"Adoration of the Child with St. Benedict and Angels" (c 1480)
Vincenzo Foppa
(ca.1430-1515)
The Detroit Institute of Arts

So taken from the top speptic debunker site we get THIS interpretation

Returning to the above mentioned detail, the one that was interpreted as an UFO, we see that it is to be found in a great many "Nativities" of the '400 and '500. It is but the announcement to the shepherds, as told in St. Luke's Gospel:

«...and there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field keeping watch over their flock by night. And lo, an angel of the Lord come upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, Fear ye not: for behold!, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you was born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord...»

The announcement to the shepherds as appears in the Nativity of Vincenzo Foppa (Detroit Institute of Arts):

Okay so  on his page he shows MANY more paintings, all having a GLOWING OBJECT in the sky with or without an Angel riding it and people on the ground looking up at it..

Religious symbol? NATURALLY  because GOD rides around in FLYING SAUCERS 

All through the Bible when anything important happens the "Glory" is there, either as a glowing orb, or a cloud.

Yet it is true that God's glory is also manifest. It is in the thunderstorm ( Job 37:22 ; Psalm 29:4 ) and more commonly in the events and institutions surrounding the exodus from Egypt. Thus, God's glory is seen in the plagues and other miracles ( Num 14:22 ), in the cloudy pillar ( Exod 16:10 ), in the theophany at Mount Sinai ( Exod 24:17 ; Deut 5:24 ), in the tabernacle ( Exod 29:43 ; 40:34-35 ; Num 14:10 ; Numbers 16:19 Numbers 16:42 ; 20:6 ), in the fire initiating the sacrificial system ( Lev 9:23 ), and in the ark of the covenant ( 1 Sam 4:21-22 ) and the temple of Solomon ( 1 Kings 8:11 ; 2 Chron 7:1-3 ). Its presence is anticipated in the restored Zion ( Psalm 102:15-16 ; Isa 60:19 ; Zech 2:5 ), is actualized at the birth of Christ ( Luke 2:9 ), and will be further accomplished in the heavenly Jerusalem ( Revelation 21:11 Revelation 21:23 ).

We call such apparitions in the sky today UFO's  we assume they are Alien in origin... back in those days they called them GLORIES and assumed they were Aline in origin (God, Angels, Demons, etc are NOT OF THIS EARTH so are true ET (if they exist))

So why is this so hard for skeptics to grasp?

[zorgon]

Today we call THIS a GLORY  We know it is just an atmospheric halo effect









But back in the days when Religion held sway... they would be considered apparitions of Holy Spirits (hence the reason Saints have Halos



The Glory in Sight
In today's Gospel, we go up to the mountain with Peter, John and James. There we see Jesus "transfigured," speaking with Moses and Elijah about His "exodus."




15-17 Then Moses climbed the mountain. The Cloud covered the mountain. The Glory
of God settled over Mount Sinai. The Cloud covered it for six days. On the seventh day
he called out of the Cloud to Moses. In the  view of the Israelites below, the Glory of God looked like a raging fire at the top of the mountain.



Glory of God





Those are all form Christian sites  images depicting the GLORY

[Sinny]

Enjoying this thread, cheers Z.

ArMap, there's skeptics and then there's skep-dicks do you have to be debunking, or attempting to debunk like 110% of the time?  Haha

[zorgon]

Right  Back to Solomon. 

I am thinking this is all tied into the stories of "Flying Carpets" I never heard before that someone called it a "Flying Machine"

The Secret History of the Flying Carpet
by Bryan Fields on May 29, 2014

I can't take credit for this work; I found it years ago on an Iranian web page that doesn't exist any more.  It's a great resource for fantasy writers and game masters alike, so I decided to repost it here.  My thanks to the author, whoever you are.  If anyone has information on the original author, please post in the comments.  Thanks!

Source: http://www.chn.ir/english/eshownews.asp?no=2300

LONG before the broomstick became popular with witches in medieval Europe, the flying carpet was being used by thieves and madmen in the Orient. Factual evidence for what was a long-standing myth has now been found by a French explorer, Henri Baq, in Iran. Baq has discovered scrolls of well-preserved manuscripts in underground cellars of an old Assassin castle at Alamut, near the Caspian Sea. Written in the early thirteenth century by a Jewish scholar named Isaac Ben Sherira,' these manuscripts shed new light on the real story behind the flying carpet of the Arabian Nights.

The discovery of these artifacts has thrown the scientific world into the most outrageous strife. Following their translation from Persian into English by Professor G.D. Septimus, the renowned linguist, a hastily organized conference of eminent scholars from all over the world was called at the London School of Oriental and African Studies. Baq's discovery came under flak from many historians who insisted that the manuscripts were forgeries. M. Baq, who could not attend the conference because of the birth of his child, was defended by Professor Septimus, who argued that the new findings should be properly investigated. The manuscripts are now being carbon dated at the Istituto Leonardo da Vinci, Trieste.

According to Ben Sherira, Muslim rulers used to consider flying carpets as devil-inspired contraptions. Their existence was denied, their science suppressed, their manufacturers persecuted and any evidence about incidents involving them systematically erased. Although flying carpets were woven and sold till the late thirteenth century, the clientele for them was chiefly at the fringe of respectable society. Ben Sherira writes that flying carpets received a favorable nod from the establishment around AD 1213, when a Toranian prince demonstrated their use in attacking an enemy castle by positioning a squadron of archers on them, so as to form a kind of airborne cavalry; the art otherwise floundered, and eventually perished in the onslaught of the Mongols.

The earliest mention of the flying carpet, according to Ben Sherira's chronicle, was made in two ancient texts. The first of these is a book of proverbs collected by Shamsha-Ad, a minister of the Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar, and the other is a book of ancient dialogues compiled by one Josephus. None of these works survives today; however, with their aid, Ben Sherira compiled a story relating to the Queen of Sheba and King Solomon that is not found elsewhere. Located at the southern tip of Arabia, the land of Sheba occupied the area of present-day Yemen, although some geographers claim that Ethiopia or ancient Abyssinia was also part of its territory. This country was ruled by a beautiful and powerful queen who is remembered in history as the Sheba of the Bible, the Saba or Makeda of the Ethiopian epic Kebra Negast, and the Bilqis of Islam.

At the inauguration of the queen in 977 BC, her alchemist-royal demonstrated small brown rugs that could hover a few feet above the ground. Many years later she sent a magnificent flying carpet to King Solomon. A token of love, it was of green sendal embroidered with gold and silver and studded with precious stones, and its length and breadth were such that all the king's host could stand upon it. The king, who was preoccupied with building his temple in Jerusalem, could not receive the gift and gave it to his courtiers. When news of this cool reception reached the queen, she was heartbroken. She dismissed her artisans and never had anything to do with flying carpets again. The king and the queen eventually reconciled, but e wandering artisans found no abode for many years, and eventually had to settle near the town of Baghdad in Mesopotamia in c. 934 BC.

In the Ben Sherira chronicle, certain passages describe the workings of a flying carpet. Unfortunately, much of the vocabulary used in these parts is indecipherable, so little has been understood about their method of propulsion. What is understood is that a flying carpet was spun on a loom like an ordinary carpet; the difference lay in the dyeing process. Here, the artisans had discovered a certain clay, 'procured from mountain springs and untouched by human hand', which, when superheated at 'temperatures that exceeded those of the seventh ring of hell' in a cauldron of boiling Grecian oil, acquired anti-magnetic properties.

Now the Earth itself is a magnet, and has trillions of magnetic lines crossing it from the North to the South Pole. The scientists prepared this clay and dyed the wool in it before weaving it on a loom. So, when the carpet was finally ready, it pulled itself away from the Earth and, depending on the concentration of clay used, hovered a few feet or several hundred feet above the ground. Propulsion went along the magnetic lines, which acted like aerial rails. Although they were known to the Druids in England and the Incas in South America, only recently are physicists beginning to rediscover the special properties of these so-called 'fey-lines'.

Ben Sherira writes that the great library of Alexandria, founded by Ptolemy I, kept a large stock of flying carpets for its readers. They could borrow these carpets in exchange for their slippers, to glide back and forth, up and down, among the shelves of papyrus manuscripts. The library was housed in a ziggurat that contained forty thousand scrolls of such antiquity that they had been transcribed by three hundred generations of scribes, many of whom did not understand the dead alphabet that they bore. The ceiling of this building was so high that readers often preferred to read while hovering in the air. The manuscripts were so numerous that it was said that not even a thousand men reading them day and night for fifty years could read them all.

Although the library had been damaged in the civil war under the Roman emperor Aurelian, its final destruction is attributed to a Muslim general. He burnt the papyrus to heat the six hundred baths of Alexandria, and the carpets, which frightened the wits out of his Bedouin Arabs, were thrown into the sea. Ben Sherira comments bitterly that the knowledge of Alexandria went down the drainpipe in 'washing the dirt of philistines'.

Flying carpets were discouraged in the Islamic lands for two reasons. The official line was that man was never intended to fly, and the flying carpet was a sacrilege to the order of things, an argument that was spread enthusiastically by a zealous clergy. The second reason was economic. For the establishment, it was necessary to keep the horse and the camel as the standard means of transport.