New Research Topic - The Airships of King Solomon

[A51Watcher]

Motive for them all wanting that?

It is reasonable to assume that by that time, everyone was aware and had heard of the 'star' that went ahead of the wise men and stopped over the place where Jesus had been born.

Now to our uneducated ancestors, this may have appeared as an act of God, but these days we do not attribute technology with acts of God.

Only our ancestors with no contact with technology would make such an assumption.

[ArMaP]

Now to our uneducated ancestors, this may have appeared as an act of God, but these days we do not attribute technology with acts of God.

Why couldn't it be an act of God and today's interpretation is the wrong one?

[A51Watcher]

Why couldn't it be an act of God and today's interpretation is the wrong one?

Because superstition is a house of cards for a foundation of premise.

[ArMaP]

Because superstition is a house of cards for a foundation of premise.

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by that. 

[space otter]

In the time frame those paintings depict, Jesus had no apostles.


but in the time frame those paintings were done they did know about the apostles



and artists of any variety always put their own spin on it..it's theirs even if paid for as a request or as a specific commision...
and now we are doing the same by putting a spin on it of our own

[A51Watcher]

In the time frame those paintings depict, Jesus had no apostles.


but in the time frame those paintings were done they did know about the apostles



and artists of any variety always put their own spin on it..it's theirs even if paid for as a request or as a specific commision...
and now we are doing the same by putting a spin on it of our own

I have no dog in the fight as to the correct meaning of the squigly things next to the sun, no reason to promote one idea over another.

But giving Mary the appearance of being clairvoyant as to future events would be equal to witchcraft no?

And what about the other depictions only showing 3 squigleys, what happened to the rest of the apostles?




 

[A51Watcher]

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by that. 

Submitting a explanation based on superstition is like quicksand and will sink.

[space otter]

hey 51
I was only speaking about stars around the sun..sorry if you thought anything else.. I came in late and should have sat on my fingers instead of typing...

but folks looking at art are like folks observing a wreck..no one sees the same thing

[ArMaP]

And what about the other depictions only showing 3 squigleys, what happened to the rest of the apostles?

I thought I had posted the explanation for that, but I forgot. Here's what it means:

In many icons, Mary's perpetual virginity is signified by three stars that appear on her left, her right, and above her or on her head, which represent her virginity before, during and after giving birth.[32][33]

Source

[ArMaP]

Submitting a explanation based on superstition is like quicksand and will sink.

Thanks, I understand it now.

[Sinny]

I suppose you didn't see my post. 

Ha, I actually didn't,  but even if I did that shouldn't stop me exploring alternatives.

[Sinny]

ya know  sometimes when I read answers I think you guys are all playin at messin with each others brain..i really do


how about this

religious painting
12  stars -  twelve apostles
sun  - son of god..

try the kiss method of  interpretation

Love this post.

[ArMaP]

Ha, I actually didn't,  but even if I did that shouldn't stop me exploring alternatives.

I agree, but I also think you shouldn't ignore the explanations given by the people that study this subject.

[zorgon]

So what? The discussion was never about the objects being there or not, with or without references to "heavenly connections", as, in this thread, the discussion started because you said that a glory "seems to be a glowing flying object or a portal" and I said that it's suppose to be only the light, not an object.

That is the problem, because that is EXACTLY what this thread is about in my mind. Showing that there were strange unxplainable things in the skies in the past just like there are today. My POINT is that back in those days they viewed and interpreted these mysterious objects from a religious point of view... the symbolism you speak of in MY opinion was created from observation, and the religion was created from a misinterpretation of events at the time

Just like this example

When I talked about the "rules" of religious paintings you said that "people describe what they see in the sky based on what is popular at the time", as you have said in other occasions, as if the paintings were an exact description of what the people in biblical times described and ignoring both the artist's interpretation and the "rules" in use at the time the paintings were made.

As I keep saying  those 'rules' where invented by people who created a false religion based on past observation and misinterpretation of real events, just like today people see what many believe to be Plasma Orbs or even Ball Lightning and assume they MUST be Aliens Spaceships...

I fail to grasp how you cannot see the correllation, but we will just have to agree to disagree.

Why couldn't it be an act of God and today's interpretation is the wrong one?

Because that would presuppose that that particular God is in fact real. Since I and many others consider that god a MYTH based on misinterpretation of observed events creating a religion based on false interpretations like the above video. 

The gods of India on the other hand used Mercury Vapor Flying Machines   so why would I not consider THERE version as more accurate?

At least the Vedic scriptures are more in keeping with modern thoughts on UFO's and Atomic explosions

So as A51 said  to argue from the point of a mythological religion that cannot be proven is illogical

I have only tried to point that paintings made in the 16th and 17th century, being the result of the artist's (and of those paying for the paintings) and of the thoughts of the time, should not be seen as an exact representation of what happened hundreds of years before.

I agree  but I see it as the thoughts of the time were about mysterious glowing objects flying about the skies and they made rules based on a secular point of view as to what those objects were. A point of view I believe was incorrect. Point is they still showed mysterious glowing objects in the sky, no matter what they THOUGHT they were

In some cases, in this thread you have only assumed what my interpretation is, as I haven't presented it.

I am only able to respond to what you actually say, not what you haven't presented yet

But that's probably because if we don't take things literally then we can take them in any other way possible, otherwise we are favouring one or two possibilities and ignoring all the others.

I disagree.  First of all in regards to the Bible  the way it is written it is easy to make many interpretations that fit the text, and this has been done even in the various religious splinter sects.  But everyone that looks into alternative and conspiracy related topics is familiar with the term READ BETWEEN THE LINES.

If we all took everything literally, we would all be making main stream thinkers very happy.  Dr Joe Resnick once wrote to me with this comment:

Ron,

Thanks for the kind words and sharing the stories about 'spray-on'.

I had a thought while finishing reading your note, re Pegasus, and your use of 'quotes'.

My Good Man...there comes a time when the 'student becomes the Master...and no longer needs the hand of Mentor.  The Mentor provides the foundation from which the student builds and springs to new levels of discovery not contemplated by the Mentor: This is the natural order of things (time, life and learning)' <excerpted from my Master's Dissertation>.  For example, the child of today has access to and internalizes more scientific information (by the age of 12 years) than DesCartes or Gallileo or even the Great Leonardo could ever have even dreamed!  With technology advancing at the rate of approximately twenty years per month bu the time you and I walk off this planet the human knowledge base will have increased by a factor of five thousand years in the course of our short life time's.

In essence with regard to your role in PG...your participation within makes you a 'expert' in many areas not commonly found in the general population and this fact grants you certain 'license' to make statement, advance new and avante' guarde theories, etc.  So...don't be shy or intimidated by men with (or from) 'alphabets' attached to their names.  To prove the accuracy of my assertion just ask yourself: "If these guys know so much...why in the world are they asking me <the questions>"?  The answer is obvious (a Blind Man could 'see' the answer in a second)...you 'know' something that they don't know!

I'm sitting at my kitchen table this morning enjoying a coffee, a smoke, writing this note to you and I have such a feeling of 'gentile' and 'peace' that I wanted to leave you with this thought.

All of this UFO-stuff, clandestine genre, secrecy, or whether or not ET's exist...or time travel is a reality, is confounding to many.  Each deals with these issues in their own way...sort of like 'faith' in a diety, or 'Santa' or the 'Easter Bunny' (abstract concepts, granted), or the Pyramids (of Egypt and Central America)...both undeniably 'real' (yet not fully understood).

With that said let me leave you with this thought for your consideration: There are 'silent heroes'...men and women who work very hard to do things to protect humanity and all sentient beings (regardless of time-space).  Such individuals walk among us, daily, and are quite unbeknown.  That <fact> too, could be considered to fall within the 'natural order' of things.

Have a great week!

Joe

Reading 'between the lines' is what has gotten me all the contacts and insider information since I started at ATS and met John. It is that ability to find 'hidden truths' in what is not said, but implied that have got me where I am today. If I only took things literally, there would be nothing to research or follow up on.

So in your world of skepticism, taking things literally may work for you but has it occured to you that it may be the reason your not 'getting it'?

But I wasn't talking about it being believable or not, I was only presenting the story in which those paintings were based. That's that change of subject between my posts and the answers I get that are making me tired of posting here, almost half of my posts these days are just pointing that I wasn't talking about what was implied in what is supposed to be an answer to my post.

I am pretty certain we here all get what your making a point of... its just that we don't agree with your assessment

My comment about imagination was in relation to the "I wonder what THIS tribe saw?", I even included the photo, so why are talking about "glowing flying things in the skies"?

Because "Glowing Flying Objects in the sky"  is the purpose of this thread That is why it is in the UFO section

[ArMaP]

My POINT is that back in those days they viewed and interpreted these mysterious objects from a religious point of view... the symbolism you speak of in MY opinion was created from observation, and the religion was created from a misinterpretation of events at the time

"Back in those days"? Which ones, the days of the events or the days when the paintings were made?

As I keep saying  those 'rules' where invented by people who created a false religion based on past observation and misinterpretation of real events, just like today people see what many believe to be Plasma Orbs or even Ball Lightning and assume they MUST be Aliens Spaceships...

The "rules" used on the paintings were invented by the people that applied the religion (false or not, it doesn't matter) at the time the paintings were made or soon before that.

I don't know if their interpretation was right or wrong, I was only saying that the artists had to follow those rules or risk not getting paid (or worse).

I fail to grasp how you cannot see the correllation, but we will just have to agree to disagree.

I think the problem is, as usual, a lack of definition about what we are talking. Things like "those days", for example, have different meanings when we are talking about paintings from the 15th century representing scenes from Biblical times.

Because that would presuppose that that particular God is in fact real. Since I and many others consider that god a MYTH based on misinterpretation of observed events creating a religion based on false interpretations like the above video.

Well, I'm an atheist myself, but that doesn't mean that I don't think that I may be wrong, so I never try to see things as if my opinion is better than anyone else's opinion, so, to be honest to myself, I have to admit the possibility of "acts of god(s)".

The gods of India on the other hand used Mercury Vapor Flying Machines   so why would I not consider THERE version as more accurate?

Is that version incompatible with the other one?

At least the Vedic scriptures are more in keeping with modern thoughts on UFO's and Atomic explosions

That's just an interpretation of today's people.

So as A51 said  to argue from the point of a mythological religion that cannot be proven is illogical

Can alien UFOs be proved today?

I agree  but I see it as the thoughts of the time were about mysterious glowing objects flying about the skies and they made rules based on a secular point of view as to what those objects were.

The "rules" were based on the interpretation of the religious writings, that's why they changed according to the who was the most dominant religious ideology of the time. Savonarola was one of the people that strongly influenced the society of the time and had a direct impact in art.

I am only able to respond to what you actually say, not what you haven't presented yet

Yes, but in that case you just had to ask instead of assume.

But everyone that looks into alternative and conspiracy related topics is familiar with the term READ BETWEEN THE LINES.

That's why we have so many "sects" in the conspiracy scene.

Reading 'between the lines' is what has gotten me all the contacts and insider information since I started at ATS and met John. It is that ability to find 'hidden truths' in what is not said, but implied that have got me where I am today.

And where's that, in regards to truth about these subjects?

If I only took things literally, there would be nothing to research or follow up on.

There would still be, but with less ramifications, which could be good or bad.

So in your world of skepticism, taking things literally may work for you but has it occured to you that it may be the reason your not 'getting it'?

What am I not "getting"?

I am pretty certain we here all get what your making a point of... its just that we don't agree with your assessment

Then say so, be clear about it, we already have enough misunderstandings (something I hate, as they are a huge source of problems and lost time) as it is.

Because "Glowing Flying Objects in the sky"  is the purpose of this thread That is why it is in the UFO section

But that was not what I was answering to, I was specifically answering that part of your post related to the photo you posted, and that was not a glowing object in the sky. It's this change of subject according to what suits you that I find saddening in what was supposed to be a serious research forum.