2 year gap between Trinity and 1947 flap now closed

[ArMaP]

Only possibilities I can see that explain that

1) They are LOCAL  (like the visits from Venus in the early 50's
2) They have already been here and we stirred them up
3)  They are from a parallel dimension that we disturbed with the Atomics They cannot be very far away because until about 50 years ago our signals into space would be weak and only be noise at about the 20 LY mark at best And Aliens beyond 100 LYs don't even know we exist

There's another possibility that some people talk about, the time travelling possibility, but I think that creates other problems.

[Lunica]

Only possibilities I can see that explain that

1) They are LOCAL  (like the visits from Venus in the early 50's
2) They have already been here and we stirred them up
3)  They are from a parallel dimension that we disturbed with the Atomics They cannot be very far away because until about 50 years ago our signals into space would be weak and only be noise at about the 20 LY mark at best And Aliens beyond 100 LYs don't even know we exist

4) Timetravel ArMap
5) They know a shorter route, worm hole, stargate..., not local. And manage to handle the speed of the galaxy earth and dont get lost

I think 1) is a very good option.

[zorgon]

There's another possibility that some people talk about, the time travelling possibility, but I think that creates other problems.

'I consider time travel as dimensional travel but sure that is a possibility

However it would seem unlikely that time travel would be that simple and easy that it would account for the hundreds of sightings and as you say that opens up all sorts of issues

Though it might account for messed up timelines

I need to point back to this Air Force Paper. Pay attention to the high lighted red


Teleportation Physics Study
DTIC Copy - AFRL-PR-ED-TR-2003-0034
APPROVED FOR PUBLIC RELEASE; DISTRIBUTION UNLIMITED

AIR FORCE RESEARCH LABORATORY
AIR FORCE MATERIEL COMMAND
EDWARDS AIR FORCE BASE CA 93524-7048

14. ABSTRACT
This study was tasked with the purpose of collecting information describing the teleportation of material objects, providing a description of teleportation as it occurs in physics, its theoretical and experimental status, and a projection of potential applications. The study also consisted of a search for teleportation phenomena occurring naturally or under laboratory conditions that can be assembled into a model describing the conditions required to accomplish the transfer of objects. This included a review and documentation of quantum teleportation, its theoretical basis, technological development, and its potential applications. The characteristics of teleportation were defined and physical theories were evaluated in terms of their ability to completely describe the phenomena. Contemporary physics, as well as theories that presently challenge the current physics paradigm were investigated. The author identified and proposed two unique physics models for teleportation that are based on the manipulation of either the general relativistic spacetime metric or the spacetime vacuum electromagnetic (zero-point fluctuations) parameters. Naturally occurring anomalous teleportation phenomena that were previously studied by the United States and foreign governments were also documented in the study and are reviewed in the report. The author proposes an additional model for teleportation that is based on a combination of the experimental results from the previous government studies and advanced physics concepts. Numerous recommendations outlining proposals for further theoretical and experimental studies are given in the report. The report also includes an extensive teleportation bibliography.

and this paper... both are available at the DTIC (Defense Technical Information Center)

Teleportation via Wormhole-Stargates
U.S. Air Force Teleportation Physics Study
Eric W. Davis, Ph.D., FBIS
Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin
4030 W. Braker Lane, Ste. 300
Austin, TX 78759

Two Kinds of vm-Teleportation Identified for the Air Force Study

• Traversable Wormhole engineered as a "STARGATE"
(via Einstein's General Relativity Theory field equations, 1915)

• Faster-Than-Light (FTL) solutions of the Polarizable-Vacuum Representation of General Relativity (Davis,Puthoff, Maccone, 2003; , Puthoff, 1999, 2000) induce a flat-spacetime version of the Stargate via engineering the vacuum EM parameters

Part 1: What are Traversable Wormholes?

• Hyperspace tunnels thru spacetime, which can:

     * connect together remote regions within our universe
     * connect together different universes
     * connect together different space dimensions (for higher dimensional wormholes)
     * connect together different chronological periods within the same space region (backwards time travel!)

Part 2 - What are Traversable Wormholes?

• Traversable Wormholes possess:
     * normal or backwards time flow
     * normal or nonexistent gravitational stresses on space travelers
     * entry/exit openings (or throats) that can be made to be spherically shaped, cubic shaped,polyhedral shaped, generic shaped, etc.
     * flat entry/exit openings are possible – a true STARGATE or flat doorway through spacetime &dimensions!

Papers are here. This was also the page that had the Military ads
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/03files/Wormhole_Technology.html

[zorgon]

Also THIS paper from Los Alamos

I got this one from Dan Burisch years ago and got the original file from LANL

Project Looking Glass
Los Alamos National Laboratory
Through the Looking Glass with Phase Conjugation

Abstract:

Imagine a mirror that reflects more light than was incident, that reflects a beam into the same direction regardless of the mirror's tilt, that eliminates image distortions by causing light rays to retrace their paths as if running backward in time, and that when looked at allows the observer to see absolutely nothing.

Science fiction, you say? Well, such mirrors have been the subject of intense investigation both here at Los Alamos and at other research laboratories around the world. Not only do they exist, but their practical applications may be far-reaching.

"I don't understand . . .' " said Alice. "It's dreadfully confusing!"
"That's the effect of living backwards," the Queen said kindly: "it always makes one a little giddy at first- ''
"Living backwards!" Alice repeated in great astonishment. "I never
heard of such a thing!"
-Lewis Carroll

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/03files/Project_Looking_Glass_LANL.html

[zorgon]

5) They know a shorter route, worm hole, stargate..., not local. And manage to handle the speed of the galaxy earth and dont get lost

That would explain how they get here so fast... and an FTL or Warp drive would have to be a given if they were coming from space..

However that does NOT explain how they heard us, because our outgoing signals are still limited to light speed

We recently sent a package of messages to Gliese 581D.  That system is 20.5 light years from Earth.  The signal will still need another 14 years 194 days 1 hour and 44 minutes to get there

The website is already gone but wayback machine has the counter
https://web.archive.org/web/20120226141634/http://www.hellofromearth.net/gliese581d/links/index.htm

Top message?

Hello Gliese 581d inhabitant. Can you help us humans travel through space and become smart like you. Please do not eat us we are a friendly race.
Angus Pigott
Canberra, Australia

Hu-mons are so silly



So since we only started broadcasting a little more than 100 years ago, and only the last 50-60 years were they pointed into space and strong enough to carry modulation for long distances... they would have to be local or passing by to have heard us

[A51Watcher]

"How did they get here so fast?"


Well, apparently they got here years before we even set off the first A bomb - 1939 in fact.

So we can't really point to the A bomb as being what 'alerted them to our presence'.

The beginning of WWII seems to be the beginning of the sightings.


If we are indeed a seeded race, it would make sense to think that they put a baby monitor somewhere in the room.

[A51Watcher]

Astro -

Alleged plans for Nazi UFO's show them to be duct-ed fans like the Avro car.

Think you can get 15,000 mph and 90 degree corners from a duct-ed fan? 

[A51Watcher]

And so we can no longer speculate that our first atomic blast alerted the aliens to our presence and activities.

UFO's and flying saucers began making their appearance in 1939 at the very beginning of hostilities.

What luck huh? They just happened to show up at the beginning of WWII. 


That being a coincidence stretches credibility to the breaking point.

We now must consider that we were being monitored before that point, to account for their immediate appearance with nothing like an atomic blast to attract outside attention.


So just how long have we been monitored? 

The case for ancient aliens in biblical times as well as ancient aboriginal times appears quite solid.


Obviously the flying saucers we see in ancient paintings of Mary and Jesus cannot be considered to be of earthly technology.

Z also has a collection of medieval reports that appear to fit the description as well.

Sumerian texts speak clearly of gods in their flying disc machines.



Since we cannot attribute any of this early technology to humans, who then are to we to consider as the owners and creators of this technology?

Nobody we know of from around these parts


It is then reasonable to extrapolate that advanced technology has been displayed in our skies since very early times, and monitoring of our species has been going on for a long time also.

1939 seems to have stirred up the hornet's nest with sightings increasing in proportion to the ever increasing hostilities.

1945 they quickly probed for who set off the A bomb from where, and also it's support facilities. Hanford was visited within a day or so of the first blast by a saucer hovering low overhead for quite some time. 

1947 Full scale invasion flap of the entire US, lasting half the year, visiting all top secret critical military installations,  hovering motionless low overhead the facilities for extended periods and culminating in The Roswell 'Crash'. It appears they wanted a detailed list of who possessed the big toys in what location and what they were up to with them.

[ArMaP]

It appears they wanted a detailed list of who possessed the big toys in what location and what they were up to with them.

It would be interesting to see if that also happened when other countries got their "big toys".

[space otter]

Well, apparently they got here years before we even set off the first A bomb - 1939 in fact.

in my humble opinion 1939 was a watershed year of things coming into form that had been trying to manifest for some time  just waiting for recognition     
the occult that started in the 1850's and was strongly associated with hilter had a hand in getting some holes blasted in the veil

....   sadly most of the wonderous things went to the negative and have followed  slowly building speed  up until now
where we are faced with a rushing energy that needs   us to change it's direction
and we can but it needs more than our attention.. it needs our intention



just a very  little history for some




http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Med/Discfiss.html

In the case of the atomic bomb there is clearly one man who is the originator of the idea. He was also the instigator of the project that led ultimately to the successful construction of the atomic bomb, and was a principal investigator in the early R&D both before and after the founding of the atomic bomb project - making a number of the key discoveries himself. By any normal standard this man is the inventor of the atomic bomb.

This man is Leo Szilard.

On September 12, 1932, within seven months of the discovery of the neutron, and more than six years before the discovery of fission, Leo Szilard conceived of the possibility of a controlled release of atomic power through a multiplying neutron chain reaction, and also realized that if such a reaction could be found, then a bomb could be built using it.

and he missed the point by using the energy for destruction when it could have gone the other way





..................

another tiny piece  and here again we branched off in a negative direction

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/1939/press.html

The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 1939
Gerhard Domagk

The following account of Domagk's work is by Professor N. Svartz, member of the Staff of Professors of the Royal Caroline Institute.

Experiments in the treatment of inflammatory conditions by means of drugs and chemicals are known from earliest times, but for the most part the effects were nil or at best insignificant. With certain of these conditions, however, chemotherapy scored some first-class successes at an early date. Mercury is a very ancient, active chemotherapeutic agent, although it has now given place to more effective preparations. Another therapeutic agent which has been in use for a very long time is cinchona bark, the efficacy of which against malaria became generally known in Europe during the 17th century. Other experiments in anti-inflammatory treatment by chemical methods for the most part yielded but meagre results.



..................................

ah yes and another mis directional use of information

https://www.uchicago.edu/breakthroughs/1920s/
1924
Discovered the universe is expanding
In the 1920s, astronomer Edwin Hubble, SB 1910, PhD 1917, made discoveries showing that the universe consists of more than just our galaxy and that the universe is expanding, which provided the basis for the big bang model.

Research
...................

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~1930s2/Time/timefr.html

http://history1900s.about.com/od/timelines/tp/1930timeline.htm



hope I haven't wondered, yet again, to far from the point by going to some history

[A51Watcher]

It would be interesting to see if that also happened when other countries got their "big toys".

Yes it would.

Care to take that on?

[A51Watcher]

in my humble opinion 1939 was a watershed year of things coming into form that had been trying to manifest for some time  just waiting for recognition     
the occult that started in the 1850's and was strongly associated with hilter had a hand in getting some holes blasted in the veil

....   sadly most of the wonderous things went to the negative and have followed  slowly building speed  up until now
where we are faced with a rushing energy that needs   us to change it's direction
and we can but it needs more than our attention.. it needs our intention



just a very  little history for some




http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Med/Discfiss.html

In the case of the atomic bomb there is clearly one man who is the originator of the idea. He was also the instigator of the project that led ultimately to the successful construction of the atomic bomb, and was a principal investigator in the early R&D both before and after the founding of the atomic bomb project - making a number of the key discoveries himself. By any normal standard this man is the inventor of the atomic bomb.

This man is Leo Szilard.

On September 12, 1932, within seven months of the discovery of the neutron, and more than six years before the discovery of fission, Leo Szilard conceived of the possibility of a controlled release of atomic power through a multiplying neutron chain reaction, and also realized that if such a reaction could be found, then a bomb could be built using it.

and he missed the point by using the energy for destruction when it could have gone the other way





..................

another tiny piece  and here again we branched off in a negative direction

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/1939/press.html

The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 1939
Gerhard Domagk

The following account of Domagk's work is by Professor N. Svartz, member of the Staff of Professors of the Royal Caroline Institute.

Experiments in the treatment of inflammatory conditions by means of drugs and chemicals are known from earliest times, but for the most part the effects were nil or at best insignificant. With certain of these conditions, however, chemotherapy scored some first-class successes at an early date. Mercury is a very ancient, active chemotherapeutic agent, although it has now given place to more effective preparations. Another therapeutic agent which has been in use for a very long time is cinchona bark, the efficacy of which against malaria became generally known in Europe during the 17th century. Other experiments in anti-inflammatory treatment by chemical methods for the most part yielded but meagre results.



..................................

ah yes and another mis directional use of information

https://www.uchicago.edu/breakthroughs/1920s/
1924
Discovered the universe is expanding
In the 1920s, astronomer Edwin Hubble, SB 1910, PhD 1917, made discoveries showing that the universe consists of more than just our galaxy and that the universe is expanding, which provided the basis for the big bang model.

Research
...................

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~1930s2/Time/timefr.html

http://history1900s.about.com/od/timelines/tp/1930timeline.htm



hope I haven't wondered, yet again, to far from the point by going to some history

Well. history IS the point here, so any relevant patterns recognized and shared are appreciated. 

[A51Watcher]

Since we have now arrived at the point in this discussion about aliens having monitored us for a long time, let us additionally consider the information revealed from S4, that being that aliens told us they had given our species a series of 65 different genetic upgrades over a period of thousands of years.

Well that certainly would explain their monitoring us for a very long time.


And while this information may be perception changing, lets not forget it implies direct contact. 

This info was imparted from them to us.

[astr0144]

If I recall the TV series the "X Files that started in 1993...not that long after the Bob Lazar incident..

There is one point in the Program or one of the Movies where one of the Secret Clan who were aware of the E.Ts explains to Mulder something along the lines of how long they have been here on Earth..

Makes one wonder is part of that based upon what Bob Claimed he witnessed or was told about such things at S4.

If it is truth..!

Since we have now arrived at the point in this discussion about aliens having monitored us for a long time, let us additionally consider the information revealed from S4, that being that aliens told us they had given our species a series of 65 different genetic upgrades over a period of thousands of years.

Well that certainly would explain their monitoring us for a very long time.