Maybe a Religion for "You"?

[zorgon]

Biblical thinking...



Modern thinking...




So how did that idea get accepted by Christians and Muslims?

[ArMaP]

Biblical thinking...

Is it really?

[rdunk]

NO~! I am certain that God knew the shape of the Earth he spoke into existence. 

[zorgon]

NO~! I am certain that God knew the shape of the Earth he spoke into existence. 

He probably did... so I suppose the question should be

Does it say anywhere in the Bible that the Earth is flat, egg shaped or round?

It must be somewhere because the early Christians were convinced that it was flat and the center of the Universe

So did they make that up or did they get the inference from the Book

This time I expect quotes of scripture

[rdunk]

He probably did... so I suppose the question should be

Does it say anywhere in the Bible that the Earth is flat, egg shaped or round?

It must be somewhere because the early Christians were convinced that it was flat and the center of the Universe

So did they make that up or did they get the inference from the Book

This time I expect quotes of scripture

Hey Z, what is your fixation of interest about the Bible relative to the shape of the Earth?? I have been a Christian for about 60 years, have read and studied the Bible a fair amount, have listened to much sermons and teaching on the Bible, and not even one time have I had any thought or question about the biblical shape of the Earth. Nor do I know any other Christian who has thought any different than I have on this subject.

My primary thinking on this is, any thought about the shape of the earth makes absolutely no difference to the reality of the spiritual outcomes of what is presented in the Bible, NOT ANY! To me, even discussing the subject would be closely similar in outcomes to discussing the fact that iron rusts -- we could discuss both all day, but the resulting outcomes for the shape of the earth would yield the same spiritual matters  and iron would still continue to RUST - constants remain constants!

But to your question of interest Z, I did look, and I fairly quickly found a scripture in the Bible that should cause one to think that the round shape of the Earth was simply a part of knowledge/knowing of the inspired writers.

Isaiah 40:22 says, "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:"

Considering that there would be "no circles" relative to a "flat Earth description", I think we can easily assume that Isaiah knew that he was referring to a spherical/round Earth.

I hope this helps a little on this subject!!

[rdunk]

Z, in thinking about this a little more, flat Earth or Round Earth, neither would have made any difference in people of the time becoming Christians - shape of the Earth would not have been a conscious factor as people were giving their lives to Jesus Christ.

But, from what we, know about those times, even a lots of hundreds of years later, the common knowledge of the time was "the Earth was flat" (wasn't it common knowledge thinking?). Therefore, even the typical Christians would have still been a part of the general crowd that still said that the Earth was flat, and likely would have continued to say that until SOMEBODY proved different. And that such proof would for sure have to come from somewhere other than the Bible - the Bible is not a science book, but rather is for the primary purpose of bringing man to a personal relationship with God, in Jesus Christ.

[zorgon]

Z, in thinking about this a little more, flat Earth or Round Earth, neither would have made any difference in people of the time becoming Christians - shape of the Earth would not have been a conscious factor as people were giving their lives to Jesus Christ.

The people... no they were to busy surviving to care. But the Powers That Be in the day... they must have got the idea from SOMEWHERE..

The Qur'an doesn't actually say flat or round ... it says the earth is like a carpet, covering that which is below.  So one Islamic Cleric points out that you can put a carpet over a curved surface

It is amusing to see some Islamic clerics trying to describe the Earth  One outright says all Western science is LIES  that only Qur'anic science should be taught in the schools and the Saudi uses an airplane to prove that the Earth has to be stationary    They say "NASA LIES" 

But, from what we, know about those times, even a lots of hundreds of years later, the common knowledge of the time was "the Earth was flat" (wasn't it common knowledge thinking?). Therefore, even the typical Christians would have still been a part of the general crowd that still said that the Earth was flat, and likely would have continued to say that until SOMEBODY proved different. And that such proof would for sure have to come from somewhere other than the Bible - the Bible is not a science book, but rather is for the primary purpose of bringing man to a personal relationship with God, in Jesus Christ.

LOL Now that was a good answer. No scripture when in this case scripture was wanted

[rdunk]

LOL Ron, you are so busy, you missed the "scripture" - look back at reply #49 - I even put a small part of it in red, just to make it more noticeable!!

[zorgon]

Hey Z, what is your fixation of interest about the Bible relative to the shape of the Earth??

The Saudis are to blame They have been making public videos on things like that. They even called for one NASA oriented movie to be banned because it was a lie

But what I am looking for is to understand how Christians deal with the reality that science shows when it butts heads with conceived notions, not only Christian but I don't have a Muslim here to ask .  You seem to be able to accept the round earth being out in the rim worlds of nowhere but your balking on dinosaurs

Most Christians would several pages back have taken the "Why are you persecuting me?" approach and run away mad

My primary thinking on this is, any thought about the shape of the earth makes absolutely no difference to the reality of the spiritual outcomes of what is presented in the Bible, NOT ANY!

So if Dinos were real and several hundred million years old   no problem?

To me, even discussing the subject would be closely similar in outcomes to discussing the fact that iron rusts -- we could discuss both all day, but the resulting outcomes for the shape of the earth would yield the same spiritual matters  and iron would still continue to RUST - constants remain constants!

Take it out of the oxygen and it doesn't rust. Heat the rust and get iron. And water is hydrogen rust

But to your question of interest Z, I did look, and I fairly quickly found a scripture in the Bible that should cause one to think that the round shape of the Earth was simply a part of knowledge/knowing of the inspired writers.

Isaiah 40:22 says, "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:"

Considering that there would be "no circles" relative to a "flat Earth description", I think we can easily assume that Isaiah knew that he was referring to a spherical/round Earth.

Thank you!!!!

I hope this helps a little on this subject!!

It does...  Now I need to study Isaiah and see if he got a ride on a "GLORY"  Bwahahahaha

[zorgon]

LOL Ron, you are so busy, you missed the "scripture" - look back at reply #49 - I even put a small part of it in red, just to make it more noticeable!!

No I just type slow

[ArMaP]

One funny thing about the flat Earth is that the idea that people believed in it is relatively recent, probably to discredit the previous eras.

One interesting thing I found on Herodotus' "The Histories" was an account of some Phoenician explorers sent by an Egyptian Pharaoh some 500 years before the Christian Era to circumnavigate Africa from the east to west, and one thing they told when they came back was that they had the Sun to their right, something that Herodotus didn't believe but that could be explained if the Earth was round.

Eratosthenes, around 200 BC, was able to calculate the Earth's circumference.

[zorgon]

One funny thing about the flat Earth is that the idea that people believed in it is relatively recent, probably to discredit the previous eras.

Yes but what is scary is that the Flat Earthers are gaining strength once again....  Till recently the talk was of a hollow earth, now face book and twitter ...its all flat Earth with Islamic and Saudi Clerics at the top of the list. It has become a huge issue of debate in Islam and mirrored in the west. This is why I brought that up

One interesting thing I found on Herodotus' "The Histories" was an account of some Phoenician explorers sent by an Egyptian Pharaoh some 500 years before the Christian Era to circumnavigate Africa from the east to west, and one thing they told when they came back was that they had the Sun to their right, something that Herodotus didn't believe but that could be explained if the Earth was round.

I did not know this. I will have to look at that

Eratosthenes, around 200 BC, was able to calculate the Earth's circumference.

Imagine what else they had written in that library, all burned by Religion that was uncomfortable with scientific truth 

And that Antikythera mechanism  a highly detailed and intricate computer of the solar system... I am still thinking that one was left behind by Atlantis